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Texas King
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:37 pm 
 

Band Rainbow is included on MA.
Would you put an album "Rising" in hard rock or heavy metal category?
This album is cited as a significant influence on developing of power metal.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:48 pm 
 

Metal as a genre didn't really exist back then. It's one of the key albums that shaped the development of it, but it still has a hard rock feel to a lot of it, as virtually all of the proto-metal bands did at that point. I would personally count it as early heavy/traditional metal.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:57 pm 
 

LithoJazzoSphere wrote:
Metal as a genre didn't really exist back then. It's one of the key albums that shaped the development of it, but it still has a hard rock feel to a lot of it, as virtually all of the proto-metal bands did at that point. I would personally count it as early heavy/traditional metal.

Heavy metal became established once NWOBHM became a thing

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Zelkiiro
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:02 pm 
 

"Light in the Black" is basically a power metal epic, and "Starstruck" is almost the platonic ideal of an early heavy metal song.

I'd say it absolutely is a metal album.
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MorbidEarth
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:27 pm 
 

I have no problem with any of the Rainbow albums featuring Dio being in the archives. The albums that came after, however, are a different matter.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:53 pm 
 

Yes. Not much to discuss really.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:09 pm 
 

since "heavy metal" then basically meant "noisy shit that music journos don't like", absolutely

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:38 pm 
 

By the mid-70s definition, yes I would qualify Rainbow's "Rising" as metal. Do keep in mind that the line that separated rock and metal during this time period was not so clearly drawn, and bands like Budgie and Black Sabbath didn't necessarily self-identify as metal. Honestly, when you compared it to stuff that came out in the 80s, Judas Priest's Sad Wings Of Destiny has a pretty strong hard rock vibe to it. I think that Ritchie Blackmore was pushing the envelope towards a more metallic sound up until Long Live Rock 'N' Roll, then he sort of reverted back towards a lighter sound when he brought Graham Bonnet on board.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:47 pm 
 

idunnosomename wrote:
since "heavy metal" then basically meant "noisy shit that music journos don't like", absolutely


Well, back at the time they tended to have a broader tent for what was considered metal. By the 80s people were talking about Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Aerosmith, KISS, Van Halen and others as heavy metal as well. You'll still see some people who aren't affiliated with this site talk about some of those bands that way, such as Martin Popoff. We can be a bit insular here at times.

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Xytras71
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:10 pm 
 

Growing up in that time "of uncertainty and confusion" (lol), I can attest that "Rising" was considered Metal

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King_of_Arnor
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:33 pm 
 

The debut was about as metal as Deep Purple, but Rising was an important step towards metal and Stargazer might be the first power/prog metal song.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:00 pm 
 

I think taken as a whole Rising anticipated many of the future developments in metal like NWOBHM and even power metal. I'd put it in the same category as Sabbath's 70s releases in the sense that it introduced many of the tropes that came to define metal (both musically and lyrically) without necessarily being 100% metal all the time.

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