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Fearoth
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:13 pm 
 

Their riffing has aged like a fine wine. I also like how Dani uses his banshee wail more occasionally now, giving it more impact.

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Waltz_of_Ghouls
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:49 pm 
 

Fuck yeah, I'm hyped. Been a have since 1998 with Cruelty and the Beast and stayed loyal even through their rough patch. They've been on fire since Hammer of the Witches and it's a glorious thing to see.
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SculptedCold
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:54 pm 
 

cultofkraken wrote:
Is this going to be a Borg concept album?


I wholly support this new thematic and costume/photo sesh direction for the band.

Anything really new from CoF would be appreciated. They've been technically proficient and lacking atmosphere for me for a very long time now.

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Trashy_Rambo
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:47 am 
 

New song is super solid, though I think it could stand to be about 30 seconds shorter. The wow factor wears off just a little bit by the end.
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Sokaris
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:30 am 
 

I'm not surprised it's good but it was definitely more aggressive than I expected.
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SladeCraven
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:41 pm 
 

They sound so solid. It's such an incredible turn around from their mid-2000's work. I've been a Cradle fan since just prior to the release of Nymphetamine (when I was around 14 or 15) and I can safely say that they sound better than they ever did on any releases of that time. If you go back and listen to Nymphetamine compared to Cryptoriana or Hammer, there's just no comparison.
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Frank Booth
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:55 pm 
 

SladeCraven wrote:
They sound so solid. It's such an incredible turn around from their mid-2000's work. I've been a Cradle fan since just prior to the release of Nymphetamine (when I was around 14 or 15) and I can safely say that they sound better than they ever did on any releases of that time. If you go back and listen to Nymphetamine compared to Cryptoriana or Hammer, there's just no comparison.


I think it was a mix of the band getting way too big way too fast and being exhausted, but having to keep putting shit out so they could keep going back out on the road, and Paul Allender in particular burning out fast but continuing to stay in the band for the paycheck well past the point where he should have quit. Martin definitely gave them a kick in the ass when he joined, but he ultimately just couldn't keep Paul afloat and it took getting new blood to rescue them from the "shove something out so we can get back out on the road again" paradigm they had gotten stuck in.

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jimbies
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:55 pm 
 

While I agree with most of the posts above me, I gotta say, I still am unashamed that I love the track Nymphetamine.

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lordcatfish
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:04 pm 
 

I'd take Nymphetamine over anything that came after it any day of the week. Love that album.
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LycanthropeMoon
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:15 pm 
 

The major issue with "Nymphetamine" imo is that it's an overly long album. If they tightened some of the arrangement and removed a couple tracks ("Nemesis" does not need to be that long - and the "Fix" version of the title track is better than "Overdose", change my mind), it'd be a lot more solid. I feel pretty much the exact same way about "Damnation and a Day". And yeah, Paul Allender definitely lost steam after "Midian" - they're better off without him, and the newer material shows why.

One thing I very much enjoy about the last two albums is how tight the arrangements are, including on the longer tracks (like "Death and the Maiden").

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ChineseDownhill
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:26 pm 
 

I think Nymphetamine is better than its 56% average would suggest. Just listened to Mother of Abominations for the first time in a while and got reminded there's good stuff on that album besides the title track.
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Lyrici17
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:00 am 
 

I also seem to like "Damnation and a Day" and "Nymphetamine" a lot more than the typical Cradle of Filth fan. In this case, I think I give credit to Martin Powell for the reason I perhaps feel this way, as they were his last albums with the band.

I also too like the last couple of albums, but also not nearly as much as other Cradle of Filth fans seem to. I thought the new song was solid, but didn't get me super excited. I'm sure I'll still pick the album up regardless.
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SladeCraven
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:16 am 
 

I like Nymphetamine well enough, don't get me wrong. I just think it marks a decline in song writing when compared the earlier stuff. I definitely agree that it's far better than the 56% it sits at, I just think the last two albums are more solidified to the point of sounding like a different band altogether (which let's be honest, but for Dani it is a different band altogether). Nymphetamine has some really great moments and meant a lot to me during those years. But the albums between that and Hammer? Eh. For the exception of Lilith Immaculate (that track is fucking great, in my book) it's all pretty blah for me. It feels like in the last 6 years or so they've gotten a supercharged dose of motivation and Dani in particular seems to be at the top of his game. I watched a live performance of theirs from 2019 (Hellfest, maybe?) and I couldn't believe how strong he sounded compared to some of the earlier live performances I'd heard. I remember him saying that he had an issue with his vocal chords at one point during the mid 2000's, so it makes sense.

Whatever they're doing, it's working. It's good to see them doing so well.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:02 am 
 

LycanthropeMoon wrote:
Music video for "Crawling King Chaos":


Really like the song! Look forward to the new album.
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Curious_dead
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:59 am 
 

I love Nymphetamine. Gilded Cunt, Nymphetamine (Overdose or Fix, both are good but Fix is a bit tighter), Coffin Fodder, Medusa and Hemlock and Mother of Abomination (very helpful to know how to actually pronounce Ia Ia Cthulhu ph'taghn!) are all awesome songs IMO. The rest isn't even bad, those are just my standout songs. I really don't understand why it gets so low reviews.

It probably helps that it was the first CoF album that I really listened to. I had listened to a few songs before, but it was during my "I don't really like ahrsh vocals" phase, so I was more picky.

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jimbies
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:02 pm 
 

Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that 'Fix' is the superior version for me. I hardly ever listen to the Overdose version.

Seeing them open their live set with Gilded Cunt is such a punch in the throat. Amazing.

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LycanthropeMoon
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:22 am 
 



And now, a more melodic and gothic single.
Honestly, I'm more than okay with that. Love me some angsty goth cheese, tbh.

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matras
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:27 am 
 

LycanthropeMoon wrote:


And now, a more melodic and gothic single.
Honestly, I'm more than okay with that. Love me some angsty goth cheese, tbh.


Great song, and i love the guitarsound. But you and I have different definitions of 'angsty goth cheese'.

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Frank Booth
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:30 am 
 

SladeCraven wrote:
I like Nymphetamine well enough, don't get me wrong. I just think it marks a decline in song writing when compared the earlier stuff. I definitely agree that it's far better than the 56% it sits at, I just think the last two albums are more solidified to the point of sounding like a different band altogether (which let's be honest, but for Dani it is a different band altogether). Nymphetamine has some really great moments and meant a lot to me during those years. But the albums between that and Hammer? Eh. For the exception of Lilith Immaculate (that track is fucking great, in my book) it's all pretty blah for me. It feels like in the last 6 years or so they've gotten a supercharged dose of motivation and Dani in particular seems to be at the top of his game. I watched a live performance of theirs from 2019 (Hellfest, maybe?) and I couldn't believe how strong he sounded compared to some of the earlier live performances I'd heard. I remember him saying that he had an issue with his vocal chords at one point during the mid 2000's, so it makes sense.

Whatever they're doing, it's working. It's good to see them doing so well.


It's the new guitarists. They needed to lose Paul Allender, he was hopelessly burned out and was in the "fuck it, I need a paycheck" stage of his career and it showed (especially on TMAOH). Then they got two new guys who were way more technically gifted and could do more with the songs, while also being able to stick to tried-and-true Cradle hallmarks. Hammer of the Witches really was a relaunch for them - it brought back the older fans who had started to accept that their best days were long behind them, and it also brought in a lot of younger fans who arrived just in time for the new and improved Cradle.

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jimbies
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:33 am 
 

Dig the new track. Not quite as much as the first single, but I expected there to be a single in this vein on its way.

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morbert
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:59 am 
 

LycanthropeMoon wrote:
Music video for "Crawling King Chaos":



Fkn love that song!

Hope the album is just as great
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LycanthropeMoon
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:24 am 
 

I've enjoyed both these singles, so I think the album will probably be pretty damn good.


Music video for "Necromantic Fantasies". Dani's look in this video is giving me "Midian"/"Bitter Suites" vibes.

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Kalaratri
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:46 pm 
 

I've never been the biggest Cradle fan but both those singles are pretty good. The guitarist changes have done them a lot of good and the last few albums have been the most I've ever enjoyed them.

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raumr
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:49 pm 
 

I must say, I think this has the best sound of any CoF in decades. It's not beefed up like Hammer of Witches, but more raw and necro without sounding like shit. I don't know who they're working with, but it sounds like they know what they're doing.

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lupin99
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:29 pm 
 

I enjoy their new single. To think about 20 years ago COF was mocked by many metal fans but seems to keep improving themselves.

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