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Nocturnal_Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:21 pm 
 

I gave this one a listen the other night. It was nothing too special, but it does have a few cool moments, and the signature Carcass sound is still here and strong as ever!

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 6:40 pm 
 

It's a very uneven album, to say the least. So far the most memorable tracks are the singles and a few others here and there. But some of the weaker tracks are extremely forgettable and bring down the album. It's not horrible by any means, but it's nothing special. I will have to give it more listens to really let it sink in though.

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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:47 am 
 

Interesting to see the more lukewarm reactions, I think this is pretty fucking killer. Just ultra-heavy grooves and riffs and surprisingly tight, complex writing.

I think the best songs are the ones where they switch it up - "Dance of Ixtab" is a monster of a track and "Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment" is a clear centerpiece. "Wake Up and Smell the Carcass" has a shitload of stuff happening, almost proggy. The other songs are great too and they all seem to go quite well together.
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DMac77
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:39 am 
 

After numerous listens, I'll just say that I love it. I also really enjoyed Surgical Steel. I think overall the thing that sticks with me is how catchy it is. After the first full listen, there were already riffs, vocals that were stuck in my head and when I heard it the next time I was already anticipating it. To me that's the best sign of an album I enjoy.

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Wrldeatr
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:13 am 
 

It's so much better than the awful Surgical Steel, that's for sure. Production is also improved. But the songwriting is not something to get too enthused about. It's a bit too simplistic, the pace slower than it should be, and it's got several goofy riffs. The vocals are very strong though and I'm surprised by the lead guitar work. The highlights for me are "Torn Arteries," "Eleanor Rigor Mortis" and "In God We Trust".

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Ace_Rimmer
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:02 am 
 

Surgical Steel is the only Carcass album I've really listened to and I enjoy it, I think I'll be getting this.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:04 pm 
 

Wrldeatr wrote:
It's so much better than the awful Surgical Steel, that's for sure.


This seems hyperbolic. I can get preferring it, though at the moment it's the opposite for me, but why do you think it's awful? The differences between them don't sound that immense to me.

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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:56 pm 
 

It just sounds like a way better version of what they did on Surgical Steel, which itself sounded kind of like Heartwork but just kind of smoothed out and tame to me. I like this one so much that I may have to reassess SS though. Noticing new things on every listen here. Lots of cool licks and riffs. Very classic rock approach to death metal. A sort of chimerical hybrid.

Playing Surgical Steel now for the first time since it came out and yeah I guess I can see why people like this, though the new one has much more interesting writing for my tastes.
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Wrldeatr
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:59 pm 
 

LithoJazzoSphere wrote:
Wrldeatr wrote:
It's so much better than the awful Surgical Steel, that's for sure.


This seems hyperbolic. I can get preferring it, though at the moment it's the opposite for me, but why do you think it's awful? The differences between them don't sound that immense to me.


I've been vocal about my dislike of Surgical Steel since it came out, there are others too who see it that way, even though the majority thought it was amazing for some reason. The production is too sterile. The songwriting comes across like some other band trying to do Carcass. There's I think one single memorable riff, the rest is just entirely forgettable.

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des91
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 10:07 am 
 

Anyone else think “Reek” is their only great album? That will ruffle feathers I’m sure haha.

Symphonies is solid but nothing more and the rest up to Heartwork didn’t do much for me. Much respect to these guys though. They have huge balls for never putting out the same sounding record twice, despite people loving the previous album most of the time.

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Metal_On_The_Ascendant
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:11 am 
 

des91 wrote:
Anyone else think “Reek” is their only great album?


No. Of course not. You're a minority with that BS.
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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:12 am 
 

I only heard Reek very recently, but honestly it wasn't as different as I thought from their later shit. You can hear how the band evolved in a clear manner I think. I think all the stuff I've heard from their original run is good - still got to try Symphonies and Swansong though.
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Morn Of Solace
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:17 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
I only heard Reek very recently, but honestly it wasn't as different as I thought from their later shit. You can hear how the band evolved in a clear manner I think. I think all the stuff I've heard from their original run is good - still got to try Symphonies and Swansong though.


Make sure you don't miss the Peel Sessions ep! It's brief, but captures the band at his most savage

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Metal_On_The_Ascendant
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:54 am 
 

Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment is fucking astounding...holy HELL!!
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Seems like a pretty reductive way to see art.

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jimbies
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:21 am 
 

Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment is fucking astounding...holy HELL!!


I totally agree.

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Subrick
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:59 pm 
 

Listened to it early today. This album rules. Lots of groove to it, occasionally sounding closer to a jam band, but still very much based in melodic death metal. It's slower and less extreme across the board than Surgical Steel, but that comes with the great benefit of allowing the band to greatly vary up the songwriting choices. I would definitely agree with Empy saying that this is a "classic rock" approach to death metal, as the vibe here is very much "rock n roll", as if you plucked a band from the 60s or 70s into the modern day and got them to make a death metal record. The first half of the album is just a hair lesser than the second half, with a couple songs that kinda drag and just sorta stop without having a real ending, and the second half just takes off into another stratosphere with "Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment". However, the good stuff in the first half of the album is on the level of the material in the second half. I fucking love this album.

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morbert
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:46 am 
 

Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
des91 wrote:
Anyone else think “Reek” is their only great album?
No. Of course not. You're a minority with that BS.


Calling someone's taste 'BS' is a very condescending attitude. If he likes Reek, good for him.

I disagree though. Symphonies is my fave and Reek+Necroticism come second
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Metal_On_The_Ascendant
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:23 am 
 

Didn't mean to sound condescending. I was calling BS on Reek being their only good album...not his taste in general.
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des91
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:31 pm 
 

You’re good. I knew I’d rile up people as I’ve only ever seen one person online who agrees wit me…

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wichethebolverk
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:19 pm 
 

Is there a contest I don't know about... ? If someone decipheres the lyrics, they get a leprous pig or something like that?
It's impossible to arrange the words... a fuckin' maze!!!!! All scrambled!

With the Ep there was less to work with... but this is insane!

Sorry but I'm a lyrics freak!

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into_the_pit
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 4:56 am 
 

des91 wrote:
Anyone else think “Reek” is their only great album? That will ruffle feathers I’m sure haha.

Symphonies is solid but nothing more and the rest up to Heartwork didn’t do much for me. Much respect to these guys though. They have huge balls for never putting out the same sounding record twice, despite people loving the previous album most of the time.


no, you're not. reek is just such a MASSIVE beast, whereas everything else after it ranges between just okay-ish and outright bad. from SoS on they so often sound so tame/polished/boring considering they are widely regarded as pioneers of goregrind. and their 90's melodeath material was plain abominable.
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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:11 am 
 

I feel like Symphonies is like a more refined version of Reek if anything.

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morbert
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:42 am 
 

Deathstalker1985 wrote:
I feel like Symphonies is like a more refined version of Reek if anything.


Yeah, Symphonies is still in my top 10 fave guitar driven albums ever.
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Aldrahn333
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:26 pm 
 

Symphonies is such a monumental album, of course. But I don't get why you don't like Necroticism - the peak of all death metal albums.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:36 pm 
 

into_the_pit wrote:

no, you're not. reek is just such a MASSIVE beast, whereas everything else after it ranges between just okay-ish and outright bad. from SoS on they so often sound so tame/polished/boring considering they are widely regarded as pioneers of goregrind. and their 90's melodeath material was plain abominable.


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Benedict
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:08 pm 
 

What's up with the lyrics in the album? Anyone figured out how to read them or if it's even possible?

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Dullahan
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:12 pm 
 

Benedict wrote:
What's up with the lyrics in the album? Anyone figured out how to read them or if it's even possible?


I've been searching for them as well, but still no luck. It's weird that only "Under the Scalpel Blade" is available so far. Does anybody have the booklet? Are the lyrics there?

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Benedict
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 6:24 pm 
 

That's the thing - i have the booklet and the texts inside do not correlate to the lyrics at all. It's as if they're encrypted or something.

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l Lunaris l
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 10:27 am 
 

The album cover drew my attention to this one immediately, I love it. So creative and refreshing for extreme metal covers, and absolutely sick. I don't understand how some of of y'all can hate it but I guess it's not gonna fit everyone's tastes.

I haven't listened to much of any Carcass before but this record was pretty solid, one of the better releases I've heard this year. I think it's a bit flat and plain at times, and it isn't a groundbreaking album, but I wouldn't call it uninspired and boring. It's pretty tight too, there's nothing here I would consider filler really. Enjoyable all the way through. Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment Limited is probably my favorite track.
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Lane
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:53 pm 
 

^ It definitely has the meat version of the vegetable heart on the inside, but nothing as sick as the first 3 albums...

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marc1978
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 12:14 am 
 

I like most songs on it but over all it's a 60-70 point max album for me at this moment. Can't really love it nor could I hate it.

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Kalaratri
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 11:11 pm 
 

As others have mentioned, this feels like a much looser, more classic rock/metal version of their signature melodic death metal sound. Definitely quite a few nods to Swansong, but done in a fun and endearing way. Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment Ltd. is a beast of a track, and the second half is full of really catchy earworms like In God We Trust and The Scythe's Remorseless Swing.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 3:56 am 
 

After a few listens: GREAT. I am pretty sure it's even better than Surgical Steel, which I loved. Plenty of diversity and I am scratching my head at those who think it sounds like one of their older albums. It actually sounds like a very healthy, non-contrived mix of Necroticism and (even more so) Heartwork and Swansong.

Jeff sounds great, Bill Steer is awesome.

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:14 pm 
 

With a few more listens, I'm starting to get more into Torn Arteries. It also took me a while to get into Surgical Steel, unlike how I instantly fell in love with all of their other albums, from Reek of Putrefaction to Heartwork (I could never enjoy Swansong. It's such a weak album, especially compared to everything that came before it). The fact that I didn't like both Torn Arteries and Surgical Steel at first while I loved the first four Carcass records probably had an impact on my appreciation of their latest two.

I'll keep listening to it and see if it sticks :)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 5:56 pm 
 

I've been listening to it almost every day. Carcass has never clicked with me so fully before, this album fucking rules.

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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:14 pm 
 

First listen through, don't like it, but I'll hold off my opinion because this has happened to me with several records and then suddenly one day it clicks.
So yeah, I'll give it another go before deciding, but first impresion isn't great...

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doomicus
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:11 pm 
 

Not bad. Carcass have enough songwriting chops that this sort of bouncy hook laden sound works for them. Lots of subtle creativity going on too. Above all, it's a fun listen. Really cool how Carcass has really excelled at all their stylistic changes over the years (except for Swansong which I thought was very weak). Will always prefer the first two albums to anything else, but I'll be picking up a copy of this I think.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:54 am 
 

Just as I thought; considerable improvement on second listen, and I see how it's a complex album that takes some time to fully unravel.
I'll purchase as soon as I can.

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