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CoconutBackwards
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:42 pm 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
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Cantrell is supposedly putting out a solo album, but I don't have much hope in that being anywhere near as good as Boggy Depot was. I think he's written every song that could possibly be written with the "Em, G, D, Cadd9" chord progression.


Cantrell's solo album actually came out this year. It's a pretty solid record, leaning more on the folk/country rock side of his sound, but it's not on the same level as Boggy and Degradation.


Already out! I had no idea. Thanks for the heads up. I'll check it out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:46 pm 
 

CoconutBackwards wrote:
Twisted_Psychology wrote:
CoconutBackwards wrote:
Cantrell is supposedly putting out a solo album, but I don't have much hope in that being anywhere near as good as Boggy Depot was. I think he's written every song that could possibly be written with the "Em, G, D, Cadd9" chord progression.


Cantrell's solo album actually came out this year. It's a pretty solid record, leaning more on the folk/country rock side of his sound, but it's not on the same level as Boggy and Degradation.


Already out! I had no idea. Thanks for the heads up. I'll check it out.


I love it. It's on par with his debut, but not Deg Trip (but that one will never be topped!).

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:54 pm 
 

Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote:
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Metallica - when Newsted left, really. Though I thought HTSD was OK, S&M 2 pretty good, and I would see them live still, though not as a priority (if they ever got Jason back I would make it a priority to catch them live, though).


Go see them. For real. The biggest metal band of all time (and ever will be), and it's realistic to think that within the next 10 years, it'll be all said and done for them as a touring act. And then for the rest of your life, you'll never get a chance to see one of the biggest bands in the history of music.


I've seen them four times (all at festivals, oddly enough), in 2003, 2009, 2011 and 2012. The 2009 show (Sonisphere) was the best of those.

I've also checked out some of their more recent live recordings on Youtube. I like the Lincoln (NE) show from 2018 a lot. But their live power took a huge hit when Jason left. Getting Scott Reeder or Pepper Keenan in on bass duties might have saved things in this regard, but they went with Trujillo who is an excellent bassist but doesn't have the punch of Newsted at his finest, or the intensity of Burton.

Last time they did a UK tour, the tickets were about £90. That was about 30 quid more than I was prepared to pay. But had Newsted been there, I would have paid that price (or higher) without a second thought. I suppose my main regret is that I never had the chance to see them in their live prime when Jason was still in the band.


I totally agree with you about the "power" aspect. I miss Jason's performances/energy and ESPECIALLY his backing vocals tremendously. But I think Rob was the perfect fit to anchor them down. He's a solid player. But I still dream of what Jason would do live on backing vocals for songs like Frantic (as bad of a line as "You Live it or lie it" is, he'd bark that wonderfully), St. Anger (you flush it out, you flush it out would be massive), Broken, Beat And Scarred (what don't kill ya make ya more strong, also a hilariously bad line), his harmonies on Atlas, Rise or Moth Into Flame would be nuts. If you've seen video of them playing Spit out the Bone live, Rob takes every second line, and MAN, jason would crush that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:03 pm 
 

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:58 pm 
 

A few big bands I enjoy:

Black Sabbath - Mob Rules was the last one for me
Deep Purple - Machine Head
Motorhead - Ace of Spades
Iron Maiden - Seventh Son
Kyuss - Sky Valley
Metallica - Master of Puppets
Megadeth - Youthanasia, although The System Has Failed was a nice return to form featuring Chris Poland
Death - Human
Pantera - Trendkill (that's an easy one though)
In Flames - Clayman
Children of Bodom - Hate Crew Deathroll
Cradle of Filth - Midian
Amon Amarth - After the first album lol, but they had some good stuff later on
Opeth - Still Life

Edit: It seems as though most of these bands have 4-6ish albums I like before losing interest, a trend I never noticed before today. Maybe it has something to do with riding popular trends, or it could be that the well of creativity only lasts so long. Interesting to note, regardless.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:45 pm 
 

DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
I don't intend on checking out any solo Ozzy after Scream. Probably the only thing(s) Ozzy ever would do that I would ever check out would involve one or more of the following: Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward. I wouldn't be interested in another Ozzy/Zakk album either.


I wanted to address this point because I was thinking about this earlier today.

I will always have mad respect for Ozzy; for as long as he's still around. He was my sole gateway to metal and the soundtrack to my early-teen/pre-teen years. I will never stop loving the guy, and I love what he's accomplished musically and as an artist. But with that said, I just don't enjoy listening to his post-80's output nearly as much as I do his early solo works, or the Black Sabbath stuff.

Part of that lies not so much as a fault with Ozzy himself, but I don't think the other musicians he surrounded himself with had the same flair or the same chemistry as the Rhodes/Sarzo/Aldridge, E.Lee/Sarzo/Aldridge, or Rhodes/Daisley/Kerslake eras. Take some of his newer stuff, like the latest one with guys like Post Malone et al on the record- it's great, sentimental, heartfelt and honest and I love it and respect it because it's Ozzy, if you know what I mean. I can't bring myself to really hate on it. But yet...I just don't enjoy listening to it that much.

It's a similar thing with the 90's Metallica. Yeah, the thrasher in me was disappointed with what amounts to a blatant sell out in my opinion. I didn't agree with some of the public issues the band was involved with in the late 1990s either. But yet, they will always have the first four albums that turned metal upside down and re-invented it, four albums that in my opinion are four of the top 20 all time greatest metal albums ever created. Did they sell out/wimp out? Yes, but I think they earned the right to do so, based on what they had already achieved. I don't really get into the 90's Metallica stuff at all, but yet- I still love the band, still have fond memories of them, and still admire them for what they achieved. (And their post-2003/Rob Trujillo-era albums really aren't that bad at all.) I hope you get the point of this long-ass rambling screed.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:53 pm 
 

Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote:
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Doubt I'll bother with their next studio album unless it's really good

Such a strong, brave line you've drawn. Only listening to an album if it's good. You're sure showing them!


Honestly don't get where you're coming from here. My interest in Priest tailed off after Tipton's semi-retirement. Wasn't that bothered about Firepower, but it was surprisingly good. Not holding my hopes up for the next record either but if it's good I'll check it out.

Checking it out if it's good means you haven't drawn any lines. That's how literally everyone listens to music.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:46 pm 
 

Slayer - Divine Intervention: Their last great album, with everything afterwards ranging from meh to horrid.
W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol: This album was Blackie Lawless at his absolute peak. Everything he did after this never hit anywhere close to the same heights.
Metallica - The Black Album: Cliche, I know, but it's true. This was the last time Metallica made halfway-decent record.
Sarcofago - I.N.R.I.: A legendary album in black metal that got followed up by some meh death metal.
Municipal Waste - Waste 'Em All: Literally their only good album before they invented pizza thrash and ruined any chances of being a decent band again.
Kreator - Coma of Souls: Again like Slayer, material after this ranged from meh to awful.

(dis)Honourable mention: Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness: Considered them for a sec until I remembered Surgical Steel is actually kinda sick.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:35 pm 
 

PrincessScarlet wrote:
Municipal Waste - Waste 'Em All: Literally their only good album before they invented pizza thrash and ruined any chances of being a decent band again.


This opinion is almost a meme at this point.

PrincessScarlet wrote:
(dis)Honourable mention: Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness: Considered them for a sec until I remembered Surgical Steel is actually kinda sick.


I have a hard time imagining there is someone who genuinely believes that both Necroticism and Heartwork are bad albums. Plus, Surgical Steel is basically Heartwork Part 2, so I'm not even sure how you can even coherently believe it to be great but somehow dismiss Heartwork entirely.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:24 am 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
I have a hard time imagining there is someone who genuinely believes that both Necroticism and Heartwork are bad albums.


This wacko belief is so widespread and has been for so long in some circles that it's basically its own religion now.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:00 am 
 

Zdan wrote:
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Megadeth- firing Ellefson for fapping? Really Dave?

80's Dave would've scoffed at today's Dave doing this, but he's changed. Megadeth is a brand, and Dave is a businessman. Anything that makes his shit look bad is getting thrown out the door.


This. Dave probably did for moral reasons but CERTAINLY did it because of PR reasons. The show has to go on. He will just get pro bassist that will play what he is told and that will be that.


To be honest tho I said it at the time and I'll never get people who go "Ellefson should have stayed and shouldn't have been let go and blah blah blah" look, even ignoring the PR angle, what Ellefson was doing was fucking creepy and It put a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, including mine, I love Megadeth, don't really have any issues listening, but cmon I don't like how people just ignore people's actions just so they can speculate about all the politics side of everything. Ellefson is a creep and he didn't Break any laws other than my personal standards for decency but yeah.

But whatever keeps Blabbermouth going these days I guess lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:21 am 
 

To add to the thread I just have no interest in checking out ANYTHING by Fates Warning after Parallels because Parallels is Perfect Symmetry but worse and I can imagine that's the trajectory that follows, tho that reminds me I should check out those Jim Matheos solo disc's cuz I fucking love that guy, he's top 10 songwriters in metal by far by fucking far, but who knows maybe in 10 years those records will become vital but for the time I'm not gonna bother

Also don't care about Opeths prog rock exclusively period and I'll just be honest I like Damnation, but Opeth needs that Balance of harsh and mellow because quite frankly, I don't really think that they are masterful at either so the balance helps minimize the flaws is the best way I can describe them, God talk about a band I still love because they meant a lot when I was a teenager but their flaws have become more [heir] apparent as time goes on

Megadeth is honestly another one, don't really give two shits after Cryptic Writings because the stuff I've heard after that just sounds kinda lame tho I did remember hearing the song dystopia when it came out and remember it was OK (I was also like fuckin 16 so I was pretty stupid back then anyway)

Bit of an exception, I plan on listening to the newest Carcass from last year at some point, but I will literally never ever fucking check out Surgical steel, it looks so neutered to me and if it walks like a duck it's probably a fucking boring fucking album.

I'll throw cradle of filth in the maybe pile because I've heard everything from Hammer of Witches on is pretty solid so maybe I'll look into that, but at the same time I love everything up to Midian so much that I can't help feel I'll be disappointed just by how much I genuinely love those old albums, so I'm a bit apprehensive.

Pestilence is a maybe as well because I love the first 4 as everyone should, brilliant brilliant writer Patrick Mameli was back in the day but the latest two look interesting not the ones before that, those look like shit, but I can't imagine they'll be as good as Testimony and Spheres, two albums I dig a lot, and honestly I'm a little disappointed in Modern Pestilence because it always seemed they were constantly breaking new ground, and it seems cheap what they're doing these days, even if the musics not bad.

KMFDM after adios because it just seems there's no evolution being done, and they have about 10 albums I genuinely like so I'll just pretend nothing happened after Adios

Oh, and Judas priest after Jugulator, which is an album I actually kinda dig from what I remember of it, but that's kinda obvious why so I don't even need an explanation

Edit: and of course fucking SLAYER, but everyone knows the cut off point of that one lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:10 am 
 

Gemini 7 Rising wrote:
Bathory: Hammerheart
Burzum: Filosofem
Emperor: Anthems to the Welkin at Dusk
Enslaved: Mardraum (but I could investigate beyond this in the future bc even though I hate Monumension I kind of like Below the Lights)

Brutal Truth: Need to Control
Pig Destroyer: Book Burner
Decapitated: Organic Hallucinosis
Deicide: Till Death Do Us Part (which is underrated imo, but beyond this I just kind of lost interest even if the quality's still okay. How many Deicide albums do I need of pretty much the same thing?)

Lamb of God: Ashes of the Wake
Morbid Angel: Formulas Fatal to the Flesh
Pestilence: Testimony of the Ancients
Rotting Christ: Sleep of the Angels
Skeletonwitch: Serpents Unleashed
Slayer: World Painted Blood
Kreator: Coma of Souls
Metallica: ...and Justice for All
Megadeth: Rust in Peace
Van Halen: 1984

Good topic, because for me there definitely is a cut-off point. And there are a lot of bands which are not on this list because I still listen- they've remained consistent (imo) and/or they're still interesting enough in what they're doing. Mayhem, Akercocke and Hate Eternal are good examples of this.

But when there's a clear decline in quality from one record to the next I'd rather break it off, kind of like breaking up with a girl when you know the best times are over.


Yes, I agree about Deicide, Till Death had the Santolla musicianship of Stench, but was extremely interesting because of the different lyrical topic. Then the next album came out and we were back to the same old tired theme.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:37 am 
 

I can't really be bothered with post NMT Ozzy.

Bought Ozzmosis and gave it a run, but it never held my interest. Ordinary man was ok-ish but still missing that flair his 80's albums had. At times I've thought about checking out the rest of the albums, but just sampling a few songs from them hasn't spurred me to do so.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:03 am 
 

Burzum - Umskiptar (ignoring ''Dauði Baldrs'', ''Hliðskjálf'')
Bathory - Hammerheart
Enslaved - Mardraum
Borknagar - Borknagar
Anthrax - Fistful of Metal
Annihilator - Alice In Hell
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:42 am 
 

KaiKasparek wrote:
Overkill- After White Devil Armory. An album full of 7 minute songs? You mean the same lack of editor mistake Metallica made?

You’re probably thinking of the Grinding Wheel as that’s a little hefty but even then it’s a far less issue than what Metallica has. Wings Of War doesn’t have that issue.

To answer the topics question, I don’t have a cut off point because I think that’s limiting.

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Carcass after Heartwork. Heartwork is a great death metal record. Swansong is an embarrassing attempt at adopting a more rock influenced sound with incredibly corny lyrics to go with it, and the albums that follow are mostly uninteresting Heartwork retreads.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:01 pm 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:

I have a hard time imagining there is someone who genuinely believes that both Necroticism and Heartwork are bad albums. Plus, Surgical Steel is basically Heartwork Part 2, so I'm not even sure how you can even coherently believe it to be great but somehow dismiss Heartwork entirely.


At times, it really does feel as if there's some odd ideology that infects the minds of metal fans into disliking (subconsciously or not) any output beyond the supposed "classic" era of a band. It's almost as if it's a rite of passage. Very strange phenomenon.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:17 pm 
 

Dragged Into Sunlight's Hatred For Mankind might as well be the only album they ever wrote. Even their die hard fans feel the same way.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:26 pm 
 

I maintain that Widowmaker is a perfect follow up and love listening to both those albums together.

maybe that's just me though.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:39 pm 
 

Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
Carcass after Heartwork. Heartwork is a great death metal record. Swansong is an embarrassing attempt at adopting a more rock influenced sound with incredibly corny lyrics to go with it, and the albums that follow are mostly uninteresting Heartwork retreads.

Have to say I agree. Heartwork's pretty cool, but I can't connect with Carcass after that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:56 pm 
 

Benedict Donald wrote:
I'm clearly in the minority here, but there are no such thing as "cut off points" for me with any bands I;ve ever liked.

Same here. Even if I don't give a damn about a band's 'latest' studio work, I'll still give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to new stuff, and depending on the band I'll definitely catch them live.
A good lesson in this regard came last week, when I actually sat down and listened to 'Hardwired... to self destruct' properly for the first time. I haven't bothered with Metallica for years, but I was very pleasantly surprised and think this is a very good album on its own terms.
That might be enough for me to check out the new Kreator when it drops, although I don't really have very high hopes...
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Re PrincessScarlet, I basically disagree with all of those. My favourite WASP records are from the early 2000s, I love every single Municipal Waste record to some extent (the last one was one of their best), same goes for Sarcófago and Carcass (except the new one hasn't quite clicked yet).
I have soft spots for 'Violent revolution' and 'Enemy of god', but I do agree with Slayer, even though I dig the odd track off some of their later records.
Funny how opinions can be so different :)
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Lord_Of_Diamonds wrote:
Carcass after Heartwork. Heartwork is a great death metal record. Swansong is an embarrassing attempt at adopting a more rock influenced sound with incredibly corny lyrics to go with it, and the albums that follow are mostly uninteresting Heartwork retreads.


To each his own I guess, but there is no way Torn Arteries can be considered an uninteresting retread of Heartwork. There is far more thrash metal in there, and it's worth it if not just because of how good and catchy the hooks and riffs are. I don't know why people think Carcass should basically reinvent metal entirely with each release. These guys have basically set the foundations for a ton of deathgrind and goregrind bands, and also kickstarted melodic death metal. I don't get why people expect them to not dig more into some of the genres they pioneered.

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I have a hard time imagining there is someone who genuinely believes that both Necroticism and Heartwork are bad albums. Plus, Surgical Steel is basically Heartwork Part 2, so I'm not even sure how you can even coherently believe it to be great but somehow dismiss Heartwork entirely.


At times, it really does feel as if there's some odd ideology that infects the minds of metal fans into disliking (subconsciously or not) any output beyond the supposed "classic" era of a band. It's almost as if it's a rite of passage. Very strange phenomenon.


I know... and it's especially weird to me when I read these dogmatic preformated ideas from guys who were obviously not around when these bands apparently "sold out". It baffles me when I see a 20-something-year-olds say that Metallica sold out on Ride the Lightning because of Fade to Black. It's such a silly, gatekeeping opinion from the 90's, I don't even understand how these actually still exist 20-something years after the fact. Carcass becoming shit after SoS is another one of these. Oh yes, and don't forget you're not supposed to like anything Electric Wizard with Liz Buckingham.

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Benedict Donald wrote:
At times, it really does feel as if there's some odd ideology that infects the minds of metal fans into disliking (subconsciously or not) any output beyond the supposed "classic" era of a band. It's almost as if it's a rite of passage. Very strange phenomenon.

It's just that the bullies are louder. The rest of us just go along with them to fit in, or keep quiet. Takes too much energy to start an argument every time they shout their tropes.
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Oxenkiller wrote:
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I don't intend on checking out any solo Ozzy after Scream. Probably the only thing(s) Ozzy ever would do that I would ever check out would involve one or more of the following: Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward. I wouldn't be interested in another Ozzy/Zakk album either.


I wanted to address this point because I was thinking about this earlier today.

I will always have mad respect for Ozzy; for as long as he's still around. He was my sole gateway to metal and the soundtrack to my early-teen/pre-teen years. I will never stop loving the guy, and I love what he's accomplished musically and as an artist. But with that said, I just don't enjoy listening to his post-80's output nearly as much as I do his early solo works, or the Black Sabbath stuff.

Part of that lies not so much as a fault with Ozzy himself, but I don't think the other musicians he surrounded himself with had the same flair or the same chemistry as the Rhodes/Sarzo/Aldridge, E.Lee/Sarzo/Aldridge, or Rhodes/Daisley/Kerslake eras. Take some of his newer stuff, like the latest one with guys like Post Malone et al on the record- it's great, sentimental, heartfelt and honest and I love it and respect it because it's Ozzy, if you know what I mean. I can't bring myself to really hate on it. But yet...I just don't enjoy listening to it that much.

It's a similar thing with the 90's Metallica. Yeah, the thrasher in me was disappointed with what amounts to a blatant sell out in my opinion. I didn't agree with some of the public issues the band was involved with in the late 1990s either. But yet, they will always have the first four albums that turned metal upside down and re-invented it, four albums that in my opinion are four of the top 20 all time greatest metal albums ever created. Did they sell out/wimp out? Yes, but I think they earned the right to do so, based on what they had already achieved. I don't really get into the 90's Metallica stuff at all, but yet- I still love the band, still have fond memories of them, and still admire them for what they achieved. (And their post-2003/Rob Trujillo-era albums really aren't that bad at all.) I hope you get the point of this long-ass rambling screed.


Yeah, I totally get what you mean. Even though I'm not a huge fan of solo Ozzy (I basically only like the Rhoads era and a smattering of other songs past that) but he will always have a ton of respect from me just for him being the original singer in Sabbath, my all time favorite band. As for Metallica, I have a similar reverence for them for the 80s material alone, and I do agree with you that their Trujillo era isn't that bad (to me the only true low point of Metallica was St. Anger, technically not Trujillo era, lol).

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:59 pm 
 

I'm probably an outlier here, but I don't have a cutoff point for bands I'm a fan of. I can usually find something good with the current releases when compared with earlier releases.
The only time I'll give up on a band is when they completely wimp out and go acoustic with bland generic ballads.

Not metal, but I'll use Pearl Jam as an example, to me, they were good until Binaural where the majority of the songs were bland and unmemorable.

Another cutoff point for me is when the leader of the band completely goes off the rails and does something morally reprehensible where I can't respect them or the view they espouse. ie: Iced Earth

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Opus wrote:
Benedict Donald wrote:
At times, it really does feel as if there's some odd ideology that infects the minds of metal fans into disliking (subconsciously or not) any output beyond the supposed "classic" era of a band. It's almost as if it's a rite of passage. Very strange phenomenon.

It's just that the bullies are louder. The rest of us just go along with them to fit in, or keep quiet. Takes too much energy to start an argument every time they shout their tropes.


all you gotta say is 'shut up nerd'

honestly if someone acted like that irl that's probably what you'd do, shit is annoying as fuck. But I haven't met anyone who acts like that since I was like 16

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Wilytank wrote:
Dragged Into Sunlight's Hatred For Mankind might as well be the only album they ever wrote. Even their die hard fans feel the same way.

wraithlike wrote:
I maintain that Widowmaker is a perfect follow up and love listening to both those albums together.

maybe that's just me though.


while hatred is their best, i like both widowmaker and n.v. just fine - terminal 2 was bad, but afaik the band didn't want that released in the first place (not sure if it was incomplete or what)

the only fairly hard cuts i can think of are sepultura after remains and decapitated and annihilator after their debuts - most of the other stuff where i prefer the early era like amorphis, sentenced, in flames, rotting christ, even metallica have more of a slope of decline
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Benedict Donald wrote:
Cantrell's solo album actually came out this year. It's a pretty solid record, leaning more on the folk/country rock side of his sound, but it's not on the same level as Boggy and Degradation.

Already out! I had no idea. Thanks for the heads up. I'll check it out.

I love it. It's on par with his debut, but not Deg Trip (but that one will never be topped!).



Well, I begrudgingly love the hell out of this album already. Even with these fucking steel guitar/country parts that make me want to wring his fucking neck.

This is already so much better than that steaming turd, Rainier Fog.

Jerry Cantrell is 100% comfort food for me. He could write this album 3,000 times and I would be there for every one of those 3,000.
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Anything Mayhem has done after De Mysteriis with the exception of Mediolanum Capta Est. I just think it's too samey and the production sounds like they tried to make it sounds modern but also really dry and compressed at the same time, it's awful.

Annihilator really hasn't done much for me after Set The World On Fire.

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DanielG06 wrote:
Anything Mayhem has done after De Mysteriis with the exception of Mediolanum Capta Est. I just think it's too samey and the production sounds like they tried to make it sounds modern but also really dry and compressed at the same time, it's awful.

Never got why people liked MCE. The guitars are dry and Maniac sounds like shit. I feel bad for anyone who was at that show.
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(cut-off points are meant after the album mentioned)

Metallica - Garage Inc.
Slayer - Divine Intervention
In Flames - Clayman
Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion
Amon Amarth - With Oden On Our Side
Belphegor - Bondage Goat Zombie
Running Wild - Black Hand Inn
Kataklysm - Serenity in Fire
Aborted - Goremageddon
Decapitated - The Negation
Brainstorm - Soul Temptation

Some of these did put out a few well-received albums after the cut-off point, but by then I had grown tired or disillusioned by the band. Even if they managed to recover later on, I just don't care enough to follow their output anymore, and reach for some of the old stuff instead if I'm in the mood for said band.

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Having a quick scan through, most (maybe all) cut offs mentioned have been from the start of a band's career to a point later in their career. Wondering if there's any bands where people might swerve the earlier stuff and only go for later stuff or start from a couple of albums in.
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lordcatfish wrote:
Having a quick scan through, most (maybe all) cut offs mentioned have been from the start of a band's career to a point later in their career. Wondering if there's any bands where people might swerve the earlier stuff and only go for later stuff or start from a couple of albums in.

Kamelot. My start/stop points with them are "The Fourth Legacy" and "Poetry for the Poisoned".

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GratefulDeadInside wrote:
DanielG06 wrote:
Anything Mayhem has done after De Mysteriis with the exception of Mediolanum Capta Est. I just think it's too samey and the production sounds like they tried to make it sounds modern but also really dry and compressed at the same time, it's awful.

Never got why people liked MCE. The guitars are dry and Maniac sounds like shit. I feel bad for anyone who was at that show.


Yeah Maniac is ass, but I like how fast and energetic they played the songs compared to their other live records, and also the drums sound great.

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lordcatfish wrote:
Having a quick scan through, most (maybe all) cut offs mentioned have been from the start of a band's career to a point later in their career. Wondering if there's any bands where people might swerve the earlier stuff and only go for later stuff or start from a couple of albums in.


Edguy and Helloween - I don't hate either bands' early material but I usually go for what they did in the 2000s.
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Empyreal wrote:
lordcatfish wrote:
Having a quick scan through, most (maybe all) cut offs mentioned have been from the start of a band's career to a point later in their career. Wondering if there's any bands where people might swerve the earlier stuff and only go for later stuff or start from a couple of albums in.


Edguy and Helloween - I don't hate either bands' early material but I usually go for what they did in the 2000s.


for me:
Edguy
Avantasia
Anathema
The Gathering (no need for the first two)
Therion (I dont care for the first three or anything from the past decade. I guess I just like their mid-period.)
Deep Purple (the first two dont do much at all)
Novembers Doom (I dont dislike their earlier stuff, but they ascended to greatness around 2002, or so)

And this will likely result in me being tarred and feathered:
Katatonia - December Souls isn't very interesting.

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Thy Shrine wrote:
To add to the thread I just have no interest in checking out ANYTHING by Fates Warning after Parallels because Parallels is Perfect Symmetry but worse and I can imagine that's the trajectory that follows,


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lordcatfish wrote:
Having a quick scan through, most (maybe all) cut offs mentioned have been from the start of a band's career to a point later in their career. Wondering if there's any bands where people might swerve the earlier stuff and only go for later stuff or start from a couple of albums in.


Behemoth for me. I skip the black metal stuff entirely, and then starting with Satanica through Evangelion I like everything they did. But then came that abomination The Satanist... yikes!
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