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nasierszyca
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:38 am 
 

"Dark Medieval Times" & "The Shadowthrone"


Why only covers has been changed?
They had to go all the way, changing lyrics, melodies
track titles,name & line up of the band.
It would be a real re-release.


I prefer to buy a bootleg than re-editions with a new, horrible graphic design.
Anyone know where I could do it?




But the madness doesn't stop there

On the occasion of the anniversary ,Napalm & Satyr
decided to cut out "unnecessary" fragments from Nemesis Divina.
Simply unimaginable idiocy !!


How much they will cut out next time?
In a few years,album will become half as long...

New cover arts for the first two albums and circumcised anniversary edition of classic(or classick?)

The final question is why fans tolerate such insanity and pay money encouraging publishers to produce more garbage??

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:44 am 
 

Can you link or post the new covers you are talking about? Would be nice to understand the context
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:21 am 
 

Wait...you're mad they only changed the artwork on Dark Medieval Times and Shadowthrone instead of re recording the songs with new lyrics?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:26 am 
 

Space_alligator wrote:
Wait...you're mad they only changed the artwork on Dark Medieval Times and Shadowthrone instead of re recording the songs with new lyrics?

I was gonna say. :lol:

And for what it's worth, the change in art for Shadowthrone was an improvement.
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nasierszyca
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:01 am 
 

Space_alligator wrote:
Wait...you're mad they only changed the artwork on Dark Medieval Times and Shadowthrone instead of re recording the songs with new lyrics?


I am pissed off, disgusted, disappointed in general because of entirety of contemporary music industry
loudness wars instead of remastered
reequalized instead remastered
and remastered instead of remixed
but booklet's"improvement" are nr 1


Unofficial better than "oryginal"
https://www.discogs.com/release/9439170 ... val-Times-
https://www.discogs.com/release/2097297 ... eval-Times


of course you also have opportunity to buy oryginal,noooo prooooblem
https://www.discogs.com/release/2205882 ... eval-Times

just €1,999.98
nooo prooooblem
it's your fault that you were not born earlier, you have to be punished for it
(on the occasion of the anniversary)

Stars,celebrities,music industry - mmmm Im lovin it

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jdmunyon
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:20 am 
 

Why do you need to buy a bootleg? For example you can get a 2006 CD reissue by Moonfog, with original album art, for $15 plus $5 shipping (if in the US): https://www.discogs.com/sell/item/2024601989

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 8:50 am 
 

No remaster will make those two albums good. Amateurish in every possible way.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:02 am 
 

Wilytank wrote:
And for what it's worth, the change in art for Shadowthrone was an improvement.


Strongly agree
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:09 am 
 

Wilytank wrote:
And for what it's worth, the change in art for Shadowthrone was an improvement.

And for 'Dark medieval times', the original drawing was unintentionally hilarious :-D

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Subrick
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:01 am 
 

Since OP hasn't done it yet, and neither has anyone else for that matter, here are the actual new arts for the two albums compared to their original arts.

Dark Medieval Times:
Spoiler: show
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The Shadowthrone:
Spoiler: show
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I prefer the old Dark Medieval Times art, as even though it's kind of a silly drawing it's got a lot more personality and I feel captures the vibe of the album better. The new art for The Shadowthrone, on the other hand, is massively improved, in my opinion. The old art is just one of those generic "dude in the woods" photos that make up, like, 90% of black metal album arts to begin with, and even then it just kinda looks like a tent getting blown up by the wind rather than anything resembling an actual person.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:37 am 
 

nasierszyca wrote:
Why only covers has been changed?
They had to go all the way, changing lyrics, melodies
track titles,name & line up of the band.
It would be a real re-release.


What the fuck are you talking about?

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Ace_Rimmer
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 am 
 

Yeah, I'm confused. Did they rework the songs?

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jose_G
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:19 pm 
 

mmmm I love the original artwork of dark medieval times... but shadowthrone i have the 2006 edition with original artwork and i prefer this ''new version''

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:56 pm 
 

Ace_Rimmer wrote:
Yeah, I'm confused. Did they rework the songs?

I know they edited down Immortality Passion. They cut away around 1 minute and parts of that was from one of my favourite sections from the whole album.

Notice the folky melody around after the 1 minute mark. It is shortened in the new version and the riff after it is repeated fewer times. I guess they wanted the song more compact, but I don't think 1 minute will make much of a difference. Those who love it will be annoyed and those who skip it won't notice. It's lose-lose.

Compare OLD vs NEW.

EDIT: I thought the discussion included Nemesis Divina. I won't delete just in case the information is helpful to someone.

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nasierszyca
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:15 am 
 

I see that some things are unimaginably difficult for some to understand :/
(including publishers and creators,even sarcasm is too much @Runko, but never mind)

Maybe I will give a simple example,old photos from childhood.

Booo, there are no colors, the quality is not digital, booo, someone has ugly clothes, another is ugly because he is fat
boo someone has covered part of his face with his hand...

I have an idea,take this picture again for the 40th anniversary

some people are already dead - so what, they didn't add anything to the photos, you can cut them out
We will replace ugly clothes with modern, nice ones,ugly fat people have lost weight over the years
the new photo will be improved, we also have modern digital cameras yeah!!cool!

Here is our old family album in the new anniversary version,hurray!!
Everything looks much better now,thank you publisher for the new memories!!

The same madness applies to Osmose prod and their "reissues"
it is about Absu specifically but who knows how many other albums have been "improved".

Osmose decided to cut out the samples used on The Sun Of Tiphareth
effects of swords (29:01) and horses (32:08) - who cares,it is not necessary, it does not add anything to the whole.

Satyr wanted to keep up with the new trend and what did he do? He cut the sound of the scythe on Nemesis.


Why do I need to buy a bootleg?Because Im talking about LP,not CD :)

PS. Is "Rebel Ex." was also honored with circumcision?How much is missing in relation to the original?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:43 am 
 

Those Absu remasters (not reissues) sound way better and the original masters are still available for you to buy. I for one am glad they edited the terrible samplers, that kind of stuff with horses and other shit always distracts from the actual music.

Your being way too unjustifiably offended by something nobody else cares.

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nasierszyca
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:08 am 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
nobody else cares.

Bingo!! to many else don't cares
Fear to think what kind of re-release we will see in the next 25 or more years,meanwhile
This procedure is also practiced in old books?

Im not asking about historical books
or Bible because everything has changed over the centuries there :D
but maybe you know some old philosophy books where corrections have been made
because someone's philosophy turned out to be wrong, or politically incorrect? ;)

A new jubilee edition of Marx where he proclaims capitalism,or
Darwin's where man is descended from god.
Who cares about original "WRONG" thoughts and views from years ago
now is the present day :) let us celebrate by correcting!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:56 am 
 

nasierszyca wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
nobody else cares.

Bingo!! to many else don't cares
Fear to think what kind of re-release we will see in the next 25 or more years,meanwhile
This procedure is also practiced in old books?

Im not asking about historical books
or Bible because everything has changed over the centuries there :D
but maybe you know some old philosophy books where corrections have been made
because someone's philosophy turned out to be wrong, or politically incorrect? ;)

A new jubilee edition of Marx where he proclaims capitalism,or
Darwin's where man is descended from god.
Who cares about original "WRONG" thoughts and views from years ago
now is the present day :) let us celebrate by correcting!

You're so wrong I'm not even sure were to begin.

You'd be surprised to know books change too. The cover is not the same for every edition, sometimes some content is changed or omitted because different editions by the original author existed. Books are also translated, modernized and changed for various reasons. For example you can read Don Quixote in modern Spanish translated by Andrés Trapiello. Same book, completely different approach.

This is my last comment on this thread since I have little interest in participating in your dumb fantasies. They edited it. They are the ones who did it. So stop complaining about trivialities and just buy an original version of the album if you're so offended by them doing whatever they want with their own music.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:58 am 
 

nasierszyca wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
nobody else cares.

Bingo!! to many else don't cares
Fear to think what kind of re-release we will see in the next 25 or more years,meanwhile
This procedure is also practiced in old books?

Im not asking about historical books
or Bible because everything has changed over the centuries there :D
but maybe you know some old philosophy books where corrections have been made
because someone's philosophy turned out to be wrong, or politically incorrect? ;)

A new jubilee edition of Marx where he proclaims capitalism,or
Darwin's where man is descended from god.
Who cares about original "WRONG" thoughts and views from years ago
now is the present day :) let us celebrate by correcting!


I get your point, but you are giving examples that are totally absurd in comparison to the subject at hand. It's not as if these remasters completely change the essence or the style of the music, they are retouches that you may like more or less, and I can understand that you are against it, but I consider that you are not expressing it in the right way.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 10:03 am 
 

Lagartija wrote:
And for 'Dark medieval times', the original drawing was unintentionally hilarious :-D


That's the charm of black metal though, embracing the ridiculous. Look at the over-the-top album title, so the original cover fits. If something is perfectly balanced and non-cringey then it shows the artist wasn't extreme or unhinged enough :)

As for The Shadowthrone, I couldn't even remember the cover, which shows how boring it is. Dark Medieval Times and Nemsis Divina are stuck in my brain.

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nasierszyca
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:11 pm 
 

I like absurdities, they are more understandable ;)
and if I was a Satyr I would do two things:

if I want to improve my music, I re-record the whole album
and I change the cover on the basis that what is on it remains,
but not in a drawn version, but as a photography

I leave the old, first version unchanged,oryginal cover art
eventually once again I do a remix (like Mayhem with GDOW) not re-equalization.

Now you can have both or just "better one"
meanwhile, we may only have some modern echo from the past, or nothing
except for those who bought the first edition on the release date many years ago
the new fans are lower category fans

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:22 pm 
 

Well, both albums' covers were not prime examples of artistry to begin with but I agree they fit the music well. On the other hand there so many changes being made in album covers of rereleases all the time (Blut Aus Nord's The Work, Mayhem Grand Declaration, Septicflesh's early catalogue, Inquisition, etc.) and almost every release features reworked layout even if the cover is the same.

In regards to DMT, the band originally wanted to have Kittelsen's painting as the cover, it is featured in the original album and on T-shirts of that era, so there is some logic behind this change. I don't like it but there is an explanation behind it. The Shadowthrone is definetely an improvement.

About the missing minute from 'Immortality Passion', I guess the wanted to make the song more 'compact' and avoid endless (pointless?) repetition; completely unessecary in my opinion but it's not ruining the song or whatever; no riff is missing, it's just shorter.

At least musically a good job has been done on these remasters and are very enjoyable listening experiences. I was disappointed about these re-releases too at first but got to appreciate them for what they are and I don't care that much.
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Lagartija wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
And for what it's worth, the change in art for Shadowthrone was an improvement.

And for 'Dark medieval times', the original drawing was unintentionally hilarious :-D


I love that cover! And my love for the artist led me to another album they did the art for, even in a similar style: Eremittens Dal by Mork.
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Gravetemplar wrote:
No remaster will make those two albums good. Amateurish in every possible way.


Speaking for myself, these two are the best works Satyricon has ever released, and the only two recording by the band I really need, amateurish or otherwise, and regard as Satyricon's essential. Besides, since when the level of amateurism is more important than the musical substance, the depth of vision, atmosphere and emotions and the passion invested?
Some of the best metal classics are amateurish-sounding and fucking sloppy.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:10 am 
 

kovner1972 wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
No remaster will make those two albums good. Amateurish in every possible way.


Since when the level of amateurism is more important than the musical substance, the depth of vision, atmosphere and emotions and the passion invested?
Some of the best metal classics are amateurish-sounding and fucking sloppy.

"Amateurish in every possible way" means exactly that, they don't excel at anything and are bad at everything. The "atmosphere and emotions" aren't really there for me. Subpar riffing, boring atmosphere, sloppy playing, terrible production, childish and hilarious covers... They have the whole pack. Nemesis Divina is their only good album imho.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:14 am 
 

Nemesis Divina

"The first cut part is that starting at 1:01.
It ends at 2:27 in the original release and at 1:45 (42 seconds less)
in the reissue when he says "Forever in warfare my heart is".

"It is a repetitive instrumental part, so actually nothing has been omitted here,
you may call it a shortcut." - yeah,sure,no problem!


"The second cut part is that immediately after he says "I feel strangled".
You can find it at 4:18 in the original release and it lasts 21 seconds, until 4:39.
Now, if you go at 3:36 in the reissue you won't find this part at all."


This is a perfect example of worthless re-editions of classics
cut out here,cut out there,let's celebrate shortcuts!!

Shortcuts Classics,yes,gimme more!!

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nasierszyca wrote:
Now, if you go at 3:36 in the reissue you won't find this part at all."

Not really an injustice worthy of that font size.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 2:15 pm 
 

The old CD versions shouldn't be that hard to find, they have the correct artwork and sound.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:34 pm 
 

nasierszyca wrote:
Nemesis Divina

"The first cut part is that starting at 1:01.
It ends at 2:27 in the original release and at 1:45 (42 seconds less)
in the reissue when he says "Forever in warfare my heart is".

"It is a repetitive instrumental part, so actually nothing has been omitted here,
you may call it a shortcut." - yeah,sure,no problem!


"The second cut part is that immediately after he says "I feel strangled".
You can find it at 4:18 in the original release and it lasts 21 seconds, until 4:39.
Now, if you go at 3:36 in the reissue you won't find this part at all."


This is a perfect example of worthless re-editions of classics
cut out here,cut out there,let's celebrate shortcuts!!

Shortcuts Classics,yes,gimme more!!


58 seconds and a scythe sample are missing - it is what it is. Sonically, the remasters are good. Every review at Discogs is positive.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 6:52 am 
 

"58 seconds and a scythe sample are missing" - and useful lyrics

"Every review at Discogs is positive" - ...in that case I have no choice,I want all reeditions now!
And more like this in future :)

Eh,metalheads subculture become not for me few/many years ago
mainly because of musick industry but also new wave of fans
I'm glad that no one on the street doesn't even suspect looking at me, what kind of music I listen to

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:07 pm 
 

nasierszyca wrote:
"58 seconds and a scythe sample are missing" - and useful lyrics

"Every review at Discogs is positive" - ...in that case I have no choice,I want all reeditions now!
And more like this in future :)

Eh,metalheads subculture become not for me few/many years ago
mainly because of musick industry but also new wave of fans
I'm glad that no one on the street doesn't even suspect looking at me, what kind of music I listen to


What are you even saying? Nobody gives a fuck about what kind of music you listen to
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nasierszyca wrote:
Eh,metalheads subculture become not for me few/many years ago
mainly because of musick industry but also new wave of fans
I'm glad that no one on the street doesn't even suspect looking at me, what kind of music I listen to


Yeah it's a horrible thing when other people like what you like. I hate when artists I like get appreciation.
:lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:44 am 
 

CreepingDeath16 wrote:
nasierszyca wrote:
Now, if you go at 3:36 in the reissue you won't find this part at all."

Not really an injustice worthy of that font size.


No injustice is worthy of that font size, overblown.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:45 am 
 

nasierszyca wrote:
"58 seconds and a scythe sample are missing" - and useful lyrics

"Every review at Discogs is positive" - ...in that case I have no choice,I want all reeditions now!
And more like this in future :)

Eh,metalheads subculture become not for me few/many years ago
mainly because of musick industry but also new wave of fans
I'm glad that no one on the street doesn't even suspect looking at me, what kind of music I listen to


WTF, why are you even here, delusions galore.

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