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EvergreenSherbert
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:25 pm 
 

I was looking at Napalm Death's Wikipedia page, and according to their member timeline, they basically cycled through two complete lineups in the early years. The current stable lineup has been around since 1991, but they had nothing to do with the original formation of the band.

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I think these circumstances are really interesting. Wouldn't it be weird for a band when they're performing songs none of them had any part in writing? Do you guys know any other examples of this?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:37 am 
 

Napalm Death is a pretty curious case as replacement members (even early on) were such big fans of the band. Not to mention, Shane Embury was asked to join the band when Mick Harris reactivated Napalm Death for the B-side of "Scum," chickened out last minute, but ended up joining them to tour the record.

I don't think any original members are in Sepultura - the very original line up was the Cavalera brothers + Wagner Antichrist, and I think they had a short lived bassist before Paulo Jr joined.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:38 am 
 

Satyricon - Neither Frost nor Satyr are original members

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:48 am 
 

Stratovarius.

They've been on a great run since they lost their last original (Timo Tolkki)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:48 am 
 

Asphyx. Not even Van Drunen was among the original cast, and the other guys are post-reformation guys. Same deal with Protector as Martin Missy wasn't there for the demo days either, and the others in there now are not the same guys behind their first four albums.

Then there's Hour of Penance.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:54 am 
 

Napalm Death do indeed have one of the weirder origin stories.

As does Judas Priest.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:51 am 
 

Napalm death are unique in that none of the members who REPLACED the original members are still in the band. They have completely recycled their line-up twice.

You also have Quiet Riot touring without Kevin DuBrow, who by the time the band was in their heyday in the mid-1980s, was the only founding member left in the band.

Paulo Jr is the longest serving member of Sepultura and the only "original" member, but he was not an original member as there were two other bass players before he joined.

Akerfeldt is the longest serving member of Opeth, but he did not join the band until Istberg, the original vocalist (who has since left the band), asked him to join, leading to a huge rift with the rest of the band.

In Flames has also had a complete turn-over of musicians, with Anders Freiden and Bjorn Gelotte being the longest serving members, but they did not join the band until 1995, after the band had already recorded their debut album.

In addition, the punk bands Uniform Choice and Christian Death (the latter more of a goth-punk band) have persevered with none of their original line-ups. That's about all I can think of though.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:32 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
Napalm death are unique in that none of the members who REPLACED the original members are still in the band. They have completely recycled their line-up twice.


also a weird case in that no original members play on any of the albums released by the band they founded
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:52 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
In Flames has also had a complete turn-over of musicians, with Anders Freiden and Bjorn Gelotte being the longest serving members, but they did not join the band until 1995, after the band had already recorded their debut album.


To make this one a bit weirder, Stanne was apparently never an actual member; Lunar Strain and the preceding demo have him listed as a guest, and all vocalists on Subterranean are listed as guests. Anders appears to be the first full-time vocalist
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:48 am 
 

Gwar has none of its original members since Dave Brockie's death in 2014.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:02 am 
 

One of my favourite black metal acts Secrets Of The Moon has no one left from the original lineup AFAIK.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:04 am 
 

thedeadlakes wrote:
Satyricon - Neither Frost nor Satyr are original members


This one, if in fact true, has completely surprised me. I did not know that.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:45 am 
 

Riot - their oldest members were only in the band like 10-15 years after the debut album. But one of the best fucking live shows I've ever seen and their new music is still very solid.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:10 am 
 

Hour of Penance do not have any original members left.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:24 am 
 

thedeadlakes wrote:
Satyricon - Neither Frost nor Satyr are original members


Are you sure about Satyr? What I just read on their MA page appears to be after the change of name to Satyircon and change of direction to black metal, they never had a vocalist until Satyr joined. Even if he wasn't there at the very formation of the band, that just means the band's lineup was incomplete until he joined. Ergo, original member.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:37 am 
 

Glacier. Backing band of new hired guns and a singer who joined a few years later (though in all fairness, he was on a decent amount of their limited '80s discography).

As was mentioned, Riot's the one I always think of after Napalm Death- no overlap at all with the earliest years of the band.

Not quite the same but Venom Inc did some shows with a fill-in guitarist, which meant that they were touring as "the superior original Venom" or whatever but without any original members! Glad that I saw them when Abaddon was still in the band, that's for sure.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:57 am 
 

It seems like most of the cases cited are very early changes, where there's a lot of early cycling of members but later on the lineup stabilizes and goes for decades without significant changes. I assume this is because many bands start up in people's teens or early twenties - the perfect time for Life Stuff(TM) to derail things.

I'm curious if there are more examples of this, except where the exodus happened with a very established band, and somehow kept going despite that. I can think of situations like Batushka or Entombed, but those are a bit different since those were more like breakups where both entities kept performing under similar names.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:06 pm 
 

Was trying to think of some and started poking around... pretty surprised that Rhapsody and Ensiferum are still holding on to an original member.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:36 pm 
 

narsilianshard wrote:
Was trying to think of some and started poking around... pretty surprised that Rhapsody and Ensiferum are still holding on to an original member.

You've just reminded me, although they've broken up now, when Petri Lindroos was booted from Norther after joining Ensiferum, I'm pretty sure they had no original members left. They only managed one album after that before disbanding.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:40 pm 
 

kovner1972 wrote:
thedeadlakes wrote:
Satyricon - Neither Frost nor Satyr are original members


This one, if in fact true, has completely surprised me. I did not know that.


I alos just learned now that they were once called Eczema. Holy shit, what a terrible name :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:06 pm 
 

Satyr was a member of the band when they changed the name from Eczema to Satyricon, so I guess it depends on whether one considers them the same band or not.

Satyr is an original member of Satyricon, but no Eczema. That's how I view it.

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lordcatfish wrote:
narsilianshard wrote:
Was trying to think of some and started poking around... pretty surprised that Rhapsody and Ensiferum are still holding on to an original member.

You've just reminded me, although they've broken up now, when Petri Lindroos was booted from Norther after joining Ensiferum, I'm pretty sure they had no original members left. They only managed one album after that before disbanding.

Their final album had three members that had been with them since the first demo.

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kovner1972 wrote:
One of my favourite black metal acts Secrets Of The Moon has no one left from the original lineup AFAIK.

They didn't have an original member between 2008 and 2017, later Daevas re-joined the band.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:45 pm 
 

narsilianshard wrote:
lordcatfish wrote:
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Was trying to think of some and started poking around... pretty surprised that Rhapsody and Ensiferum are still holding on to an original member.

You've just reminded me, although they've broken up now, when Petri Lindroos was booted from Norther after joining Ensiferum, I'm pretty sure they had no original members left. They only managed one album after that before disbanding.

Their final album had three members that had been with them since the first demo.

Fair enough. I looked on wiki and it showed no original members, but from what I gather that's if we include line ups from before they became Norther.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:21 pm 
 

The Thin Lizzy reunion from 2016 to now has no original members.
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Long gone band by now, but Iniquity changed entire line up between their debut album and the following EP.

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lordcatfish wrote:
Stratovarius.

Tolkki wasn't an original member either.
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Terrence Hobbs?
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Opus wrote:
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Stratovarius.

Tolkki wasn't an original member either.

Was he not? Wow, I'm really being shown up in this topic :lol:
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lordcatfish wrote:
Opus wrote:
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Stratovarius.

Tolkki wasn't an original member either.

Was he not? Wow, I'm really being shown up in this topic :lol:


Well, like others pointed out, a lot of the examples in the thread are of bands where some musicians were with the band almost from the beginning, but not quite. Tolkki, for instance, has been with the band from 1985 up to his departure in 2008. They never recorded anything under the name Stratovarius before he joined, and they apparently changed their sound drastically after they changed their name from Black Water. So Tolkki is objectively not a founding member of this band, but one could argue that the original incarnation of the band had nothing to do with what Stratovarius would become.

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Speaking of Strativarius, Timo Tolkki's band Avalon recorded the album Angels of the Apocalypse which featured Tolkki himself, Tuomo Lassila and Antti Ikonen, all of them being original members of Stratovarius (if you count Tolkki as original member).
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King_of_Arnor wrote:
Gwar has none of its original members since Dave Brockie's death in 2014.

Gwar is a weird one, because Mike Bishop took over vocals after Brockie died, and he was an original member but had left after their third or fourth album

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Lee Harrison wrote:
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Terrence Hobbs?

Not original.

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Necrodictator wrote:
Lee Harrison wrote:
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Terrence Hobbs?

Not original.

He appeared in first demo Reincremated

Form me he is an original member
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Cattle Decapitation, technically, though Travis joined right after Scott Miller quit and well before they were anything resembling what they eventually became.

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What typically constitutes as "original lineup"?

Is it a bands first recordings? Or notable live performances?
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