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Slam_Grinder
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:23 pm 
 

Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?

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RestlessChild
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:50 pm 
 

Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?


If he is, he should be covering "The Prisoner".

Not a prisoner, I’m a free man!
And my blood is my own now!

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Gravetemplar
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:56 pm 
 

Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?

The FBI can't find the guy and you are asking if he's making any new music :lol:

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Speed Metal Terror
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 3:58 pm 
 

RestlessChild wrote:
Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?


If he is, he should be covering "The Prisoner".

Not a prisoner, I’m a free man!
And my blood is my own now!


I think that Judas Priest's "On the Run" would be funnier.
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King_of_Arnor
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:05 pm 
 

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LycanthropeMoon
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:08 pm 
 

Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?

I'm under the distinct impression that new music is the last thing on that moron's mind right now.

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:26 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?

The FBI can't find the guy and you are asking if he's making any new music :lol:


This.

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pyratebastard
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:36 pm 
 

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:45 pm 
 

pyratebastard wrote:
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:wanker:


Oh yeah, Jon. OTHER people are the entitled ones. Certainly not you or your idiot brethren.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:41 pm 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
At this point I'm wondering if one of the Oath Keeper buddies he snitched on might end up getting to him first.

Or already has
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linkavitch
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:47 am 
 

Jon Schaffer strikes me as someone who pronounces jalapeno with a strong J. That doesn't have anything to do with him hiding from the government in a trailer somewhere but that's what came to mind when I read that latest article posted.

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Slam_Grinder
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:21 am 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?

The FBI can't find the guy and you are asking if he's making any new music :lol:


I thought he had a deal to stay On Parole, or who made that Narrative Soundscape and decided to put out that Bang Your Head show? Since Century Media dropped him there has to be someone doing all that.

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PurpleDoom
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:07 am 
 

I think the simplest assumption is that he did that stuff before the government sued him and he decided to indulge in this newest act of idiocy.

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akb88
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:55 am 
 

Of course he's hiding out in a trailer park in Florida.

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Ex El Ex El Ex
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:14 am 
 

Absolutely nuclear take to call people entitled when you literally tried to overthrow democracy because you didn't like election results.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:17 am 
 

Night of the Trailerhider

Hide on, snitch on!
Trailerhider!
Trailerhider!

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LycanthropeMoon
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:03 pm 
 

linkavitch wrote:
Jon Schaffer strikes me as someone who pronounces jalapeno with a strong J. That doesn't have anything to do with him hiding from the government in a trailer somewhere but that's what came to mind when I read that latest article posted.

My partner's dad pronounces "tortilla" wrong (you can probably guess as to how) and refuses to do it correctly. He's also kind of an idiot.

Schaffer probably does the same thing.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:49 pm 
 

RestlessChild wrote:
Not a prisoner, I’m a free man!
And my blood is my own now!


"NOT (yet) A PRISONER, I'M A FREE MAN."
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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 1:03 pm 
 

I had my library on shuffle last week and The Reckoning came on. This man has been guilty of horrible crimes long before January 6th.
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true_death
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:46 pm 
 

I wonder if there's any possibility for Schaffer to rebuild some semblance of his career, when all is said and done? I doubt he'll be able to obtain a passport and is most certainly on a no-fly list...touring in the USA will be difficult enough and anything overseas is pretty much out of the question - just talking about technical stuff, not even getting into the potential public outcry. Finding new musicians who want to put his name in their resume and record labels willing to work with him will be its own challenge. On top of all the financial & logistical problems non-controversial bands these days face...yeah, stick a fork in 'em.

Not saying I have any sympathy for him - he made his bed and he can lie in it, but it's crazy to me, to see an industry professional active for 30+ years releasing 12+ albums and touring the world in one of the most respected US power metal bands, only to throw his entire career down the drain for something completely and utterly futile, giving away everything for a pathetic move achieving nothing. He's like the Guy Fawkes of metal :lol:. The epitome of the phrase "the risk I took was calculated, but man am I bad at math". Even if he gets off scot-free, which given this recent update is seeming unlikely...his life & career is ruined and everything going forward will be an uphill battle, and that's putting it lightly. I'm sure he regrets his involvement in that bullshit, and I'd love to see an interview with him right about now.
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KrigareTjovane
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:03 pm 
 

true_death wrote:
I wonder if there's any possibility for Schaffer to rebuild some semblance of his career, when all is said and done?

I mean they gotta play something at Trump rallies.

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Twisted_Psychology
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:20 pm 
 

I could see him trying to do more Sons of Liberty stuff at some point, wholescale touring would likely be off the table but one can imagine him catering specifically to alt right metal markets or some shit. It also wouldn't surprise me if he tried to get a new Iced Earth lineup with some of the more obscure members whose beliefs are aligned closely enough to his; Brent Smedley technically never disavowed him as far as I recall and a couple guys just unveiled a new project literally called Of Ice that has an anti-vax song.



Schaffer will never reach a point of prominence in the metal world at large ever again but personal experience has shown me that he's got some fringe weirdos still holding out
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Benedict Donald
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:50 pm 
 

narsilianshard wrote:
I had my library on shuffle last week and The Reckoning came on. This man has been guilty of horrible crimes long before January 6th.


LOL!!!!

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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:54 pm 
 

KrigareTjovane wrote:
true_death wrote:
I wonder if there's any possibility for Schaffer to rebuild some semblance of his career, when all is said and done?

I mean they gotta play something at Trump rallies.


There's always going to be some far-right fringe who will enable these lunatics in some way.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:16 pm 
 

I can 100% see some shit called Rock Not Woke Fest starring Jon Schaffer, Ted Nugent, Staind, Tim Owens, and Kid Rock.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 7:18 pm 
 

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mike40k
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:03 pm 
 

Holy shit that Of Ice song was bad. The lyrics, the vocals, the mix, the cover art. Goddamn guys.

I loved Iced Earth as a teenager, and still like Night of the Stormrider, but this whole Schaffer capitol riot debacle has been a hilarious trainwreck to watch unfold. Guy is a grade A dingus.
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Deathdoom1992
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:29 pm 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
I could see him trying to do more Sons of Liberty stuff at some point, wholescale touring would likely be off the table but one can imagine him catering specifically to alt right metal markets or some shit. It also wouldn't surprise me if he tried to get a new Iced Earth lineup with some of the more obscure members whose beliefs are aligned closely enough to his; Brent Smedley technically never disavowed him as far as I recall and a couple guys just unveiled a new project literally called Of Ice that has an anti-vax song.


Schaffer will never reach a point of prominence in the metal world at large ever again but personal experience has shown me that he's got some fringe weirdos still holding out


Yeah I think this is probably a likely outcome. Schaffer and Iced Earth are big enough names that he could definitely retain some semblance of a career if he chooses to. My money is on, like you say, Schaffer and Smedley (he's never officially left the band afaik) reactivating IE with a bunch of no name guys (maybe, since they seem to align politically, he could talk Owens into rejoining? Is he smart enough to realise that it'd be an awful career move?) and just touring the US, maybe self-releasing an album every now and then.

Either way, I don't think IE are done because whatever happens in court, he's gonna leave this situation essentially unemployable in any conventional job and with some huge legal bills to cover.

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PurpleDoom
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:42 pm 
 

I dunno if he'll be able to fully reactivate the band, given that if he's tried to assemble a lineup beyond himself and Smedley he's obviously failed completely. Then again he seems perfectly happy to do the "narrative soundscape" nonsense and re-release archival material on his own, and Jim Morris is still willing to work with him, so there's some infrastructure there. Still, either way, he's certainly shut himself out of a convential musician's career and is going to be stuck on the alt-right underground circuit in terms of shows and fanbase. I'm sure he has the grifting talent to make something of himself there.

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Ragemanistan
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:29 am 
 

He just needs to start fresh with a new band, Jon Shaffer and The Deplorables or Jon Shaffer and the New Insurrectionists. Then he needs to tour with Anselmo and The Illegals . . . Voila! Whole new career and whole new audience . . . after his coming sentence, of course.

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Waltz_of_Ghouls
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:21 am 
 

Hopefully the guy will be limited to play at MAGA/Nascar/Klan BBQ events
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:27 pm 
 

I don't think any major label will touch Jon ever again, assuming he somehow avoids a prison term. His name is toxic and nobody wants to be associated with an insurrectionist.

But I absolutely do think there are enough racist shitclowns out there to support a smaller scale alt-right band. I would say it's more likely he tries to profit off his infamy by starting up an even more explicitly alt-right music project rather than bringing back Iced Earth, especially if there are any legal issues around ownership of the name and music. That, or he'd find a way to join up with another band explicitly catering to that group already.

That said, I also strongly suspect that if he's evading the authorities and crashing on couches among whatever support network he has, he is not in a position to create or release any music at all, and it's probably the last thing on his mind.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:35 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?

The FBI can't find the guy and you are asking if he's making any new music :lol:



Hahah!

This was a lot better than whatever I would’ve come up with.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:29 pm 
 

I've been in mosh pits more violent than the J6 "riots". Fun times.
They should go after the moron who shot an unarmed woman in the head instead of going after Jon.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:32 pm 
 

Slam_Grinder wrote:
Is it OffTopic to ask if there are any news about Jon Schaffer making new music?


Maybe a couple of all-keyboard albums...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:06 pm 
 

Grimnic wrote:
I've been in mosh pits more violent than the J6 "riots". Fun times.
They should go after the moron who shot an unarmed woman in the head instead of going after Jon.


'Murica!!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:12 pm 
 

Grimnic wrote:
I've been in mosh pits more violent than the J6 "riots". Fun times.


You're so badass.
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I love the contrarian idiots who say stuff like that... like yep, random online poster guy really has it all figured out...
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Empyreal wrote:
I love the contrarian idiots who say stuff like that... like yep, random online poster guy really has it all figured out...


I know a guy who’said this same garbage. Trying to downplay these events and after enough time passes it will work.
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Obvious troll is obvious
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