I was reading the Marduk thread and was about to post something, but thought it would maybe derail the thread, and I didn't want to do that, so I made this thread instead.

I wanted to know about bands you personnally can't seem to get into because of the people involved in said bands, for whatever reason. Actually I'd like to exclude far-right, white supremacist, NSBM or any fascist band from the discussion because these are very obvious, and we often have discussions about them, and I don't want to make yet another thread dedicated specifically to them.

Now why did I mention Marduk? Well, because I have a hard time actually getting interested in their music because Mortuus looks like a Grad-A piece of shit. The amount of videos of him assaulting fans, hitting people in the face without provocation, etc. is unbelievable. Like, I've heard some of Marduk's music, and it's decent enough, don't get me wrong. But yeah, Mortuus is one of the few people who seems like such a terrible human being all around, that it turns me off from his music. Kind of like Niklas Kvarforth with Shining.

Niklas Kvarforth seems like a genuinely despicable, malicious and sadistic human being. The guy seems to genuinely take pride in the fact that fans have killed themselves and/or attempted to kill themselves because of his music. I also can't seem to find any kind of motivation to listen to any of the Bethlehem material featuring him. At least they have recorded very little stuff with him, and Onielar is a vocalist/musician that I respect far more than him, so that's that.

Unless someone is a pedophile in the group, I'm lenient on most. Though to be honest the bands I listen to don't have anything unclean with their band members as far as I know. I think the worst someone has done that I listen to is fucking Jon Schaffer lol. I don't listen to NSBM anyways. Dissection I guess might be the worst though actually.

I'm gonna go deafheaven but it's sort of cheating because it's not I believe any member is a douche, it's just something about the whole presentation seems soft to me, I guess I'm a kvlt motherfucker or something but yeah if I look at a band shot and half of them are wearing glasses it kinda just instinctively sends me a signal I probably won't enjoy it lol

That's kind of a trivial complaint I realize, but I guess I don't really get too much into not liking a band for moral reasons like that, I mostly just don't care that much about that type of thing, I just focus on the image if I'm deciding to check it out or the title or whatever

Their looks fit the whole post-black metal look though. But I guess this, coupled with the fact that they have known a lot of success as a "black metal" band makes some people dislike them.

Oh, and I think McCoy used the f-word on some social media at some point. People got pissed and he apologized, IIRC.

I have never taken a deep dive into his music because of all the stuff I have heard. I did see them live once, and there was some strange stuff going on. People in the crowd didn't appreciate being spat on or having gobs of water spat all over them. Then again, I have heard a lot worse about him and his stage performances.

I have always wondered if people stop listening to a group because of things that have come up. In particular, groups like Inquisition and Vektor.

Yeah, but that's not why I don't particularly care for at least sunbather, which is the only one I actually bothered checking out, I don't hate them with a burning passion, I just remember listening to it with a old friend and I said well idk these riffs they just don't seem to have that sort of power, they felt meandering instead of direct, and of course he didn't agree cuz he was coming at it from a non metal curiosity, that kinda made me think maybe you gotta approach it from a non metal point of view but that's difficult especially considering who realistically the album was marketed towards

Not exactly a fair reaction but so what, I'm not gonna change my opinion just so I can sit with all the cool kids at Starbucks or something

I must admit that part that the band member said the gay slur kinda makes me laugh a little bit cuz I'm sure that word gets leveled at deafheaven constantly, just kinda funny to me

I forgot about him spitting in the crowd... Damn, the guy really is a turd...



I was not huge into Inquisition, but I enjoyed the stuff I had heard from them. The fact that the guy is a nonce and a neo-nazi obviously did turn me off from ever listening to anything by them after that.

As for Vektor, I still listen to the music. The whole situation with Santo and his ex-girlfriend obviously seems to show that he needs counseling, and he doesn't strike me as a particularly nice person, but he's nowhere near as despicable as a Kvarforth or Dagon from Inquisition.

I'm not sure their music, or even more specifically Sunbather, was really marketed at metalheads all that much. The name of the album is Sunbather, the cover is pink, and the name of the record is written on the cover with such a modern and unblack metal style. If it was marketed at metalheads, it was obviously targetted at the blackgaze/shoegaze/post-black metal crowd, and it plays into these aesthetics and style to a point where it hardly even feels like a metal record. I enjoy it for what it is, but I definitely understand where you're coming from with these criticism.

I don't think Di Santo is a terrible, irredeemable human being or anything, but he did fuck up pretty majorly. However the situation between him and his ex-wife may or not have been a result of a toxic relationship, I don't think we will ever know the full story. We have the video of him throwing a pillow at her etc. which is obviously not a good look (as an understatement), but if he's genuinely remorseful for what happened I don't have a problem with listening to his music.

I think Bobby Liebling from Pentagram is a far worse case, didn't he beat up his elderly mother? That's a whole other level of being a despicable human being.

Agree about the vektor guy I've been in relationships like that, where it's gotten physical but it's something that was on both sides because of heavy drug and alcohol abuse so I wouldn't immediately say that's irredeemable it's just a shit situation all around and I know that all too well unfortunately

I can’t stand anything with Craig Pillard in the lineup, first and foremost because he’s a nazi but also because he seems like a really stupid human being. I read an interview( I don’t know if it was genuine, the grammar was terrible and the questions were horribly stupid) where he praise Adolf Hitler more than once, even when it had nothing to do with the original question.

Edit: Ok, perhaps Incantation first two records but that’s it.

Inquisition

First band that came to mind.

The fact that Dagon isn't rotting in a prison cell right now is mind boggling

And I actually used to really love their music back in college and high school

Bummer, but I don't regret purging their music from my Playlists and CDs

Oh yeah I'm not about to give two shits about disma now, never did but fuck the first two incantation will always have a special place in my heart

Same here. I've never listened to Inquisition, nor do I plan on doing so due to Dagon's nazi pedo ass tainting the albums.

Nickelback

Blink 182

Machine Head

Dagon is a riff wizard, and the post scandal album was really good.

Literally all black metal I have been mostly turned off from, because it seems to turn out scumbags way too often. Also, I've never heard a black metal song that truly caught my attention and kept me coming back to it.

Impossible.

^ At the least, Cobalt and Panopticon ought to be good... Agalloch too despite the frontman's dumb shit. At some point I guess I've decided to only focus on the biggest things.

Used to love Inquisition btw.

Nazi stuff should be on the same level as pedo stuff.

Man, I won't argue that black metal has more then it's fair share of shitty people, but what you're saying relies on very backward logic. There are countless great black metal acts, composed of musicians who are very clearly not problematic in any way shape or form. You don't have to like black metal, but dismissing the entire genre based on the fact that some bm musicians are shitty people is total bullshit.

Edit: typos

I thought we already proved that guy never has good takes on here lol

I normally don't equate a musician's personally life with their music, but I do tend to drop an artist if their music gets 'preachy' about their personal beliefs/life. Which is why most 'christian' metal doesn't appeal to me. There are a couple of standouts that I like, but in general if I wanted a sermon I'd go to a church instead.

The one exception I have is Deicide. Which is slightly sad, since they have some good music. But Benton's zealotry really stands out in the lryics and it just rubs me the wrong way. Which you would think odd, since Venom is one of my all time favorite bands. Until you realize Venom isn't terribly serious about proselytizing satanism, but more about exploiting it in a horror movie/shock rock type of way.

I don't see much NSBM music where I am in the midwest, unlike what appears to be available if you live in Europe. But I suppose that type of music would fit in with my take on christian metal, in that I'd probably overlook it when it's less obvious and get dis-interested when it's more in your face.

I just thought about Black Witchery, I own a record by them and I like it but I have a problem with the musicians themselves. Maybe they are proper people in real life but I read an interview with the frontman and it was hilarious how tough he was talking. About him not being afraid of using violence as a mean for conflict resolution and how evil the whole band is. I mean, I don’t really care about such stuff usually but the guy was so insistent that it put me off.

Listened to two of those. Neither of them warranted a re-listen.

Didn't I say that I also dislike black metal because I've never heard any that caught my interest in any great way? It's not just because there are so many crappy people in the scene.

Sounds like shit taste then.

What did you listen to?

I don't have any problem listening to any music pentagram has released, but I wouldn't be okay with giving him any further money, either by buying a new album or supporting a future tour/show.



Then why would you even bring that up in this thread? Nobody needs to specifically state that they don't listen to music that doesn't appeal to their tastes. It's a statement so obvious it becomes moronic.

Gorgoroth is scumbag city with an arsonist, a rapist and a torturer. Never bothered with them outside of a few songs.

Also the hardcore band Slant. I went to a gig with a South African man I know and they were super shitty towards him. Fuck that band.

And what does that have to do with this thread?

There is no doubt that Infernus is a supreme piece of shit.

Ghaal, on the other hand, is such a weirdo, I'm sure he believes he actually acted in self-defense when he kidnapped that dude and tortured him. Not that it makes any of this okay, but it's morbidly funny just how insane the guy is.

And who is the arsonist?

I find it hard to give fake Батюшка an earnest listen because of the schism.

After reading the thread about Thomas Winkler and Gloryhammer, I've grown less fond of Bowes' music. The email sacking with BS excuses is just so lame.

Dunno if I'll fairly judge anything new that Mental Cruelty come out with since they fired Lucca.

I haven't liked Igorrr as much since Gautier Serre kicked Laure Le Prunenec out. Don't really care about Laurent Lunoir getting the boot since I did not like anything he brought to the band.

I would probably have a hard time liking Megadeth even if they had a decent vocalist.

Napalm Death, because those who created great grindcore under that moniker have left the band: Lee and Mick.

Kjettar, he was only on a demo but he's still just a crappy person associated with that group, even if briefly. Norway had a lot of shitheads in the 90s.

I see where you're coming from. Even today, Литоургиiа and Панихида are the only worthwhile Батюшка albums I come back to.

There's no forgiveness, no second chance...

Unless the things I dislike them for makes its way into the lyrical content or imagery I can't think of one to be honest. I don't do a background check on musicians, and would prefer I don't really know what they are all about unless they are under indictment for something.

Same as OP, I ain't listening to Shining. Maybe if Niklas wasn't a weirdo.

But it does depend on how much merit I think the music has. I'll still listen to Burzum now and then, despite the man behind it. The music is too important and influential for me to ignore it, if Burzum was some fringe one-demo band with no influence on black metal I wouldn't listen to it.

I don't care what a musician does with his private life... I analyze his music and composition. Based on his private life, we probably wouldn't be able to enjoy anything that was created by a human, right?

Inquisition was a big one for me, and one of the only times I've been so completely put off by a band I already liked that way. Some others- bands involved with rape or other types of sexual assault, people I've had very negative personal encounters with over the years, people that have seriously wronged my close friends... My bar is lower than a lot of people, I am not gonna stop listening to GBK or whatever, but when something gets personal that's just it for me.