Any tips for best demo of death metal bands?

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Carnage infestation of evil

All human remains demos just get the relapse comp

Embrionic death stream of solidarity

Man after playing Heaven & Hell - The Devil You Know some more for the first time in a bit, I guess my unpopular opinion is this is totally fucking awesome. I like it better than a lot of the latter-day Sabbath albums including Dehumanizer. Just great hooks and riffs.

never understood the mixed reception it got. i love that album. its got some solid songwriting and fantastic production. i wish they could have kept going.

Same

To me it sounds like Dehumanizer with more memorable songs. Hoping Iommi gets a solo album out sometime. Can't let 13 be the last from him.

They wouldn't have gotten very far, they put the album out in 2009 and Dio died in 2010.

Man do I ever disagree with this. Yes, it is the spiritual successor to Dehumanizer, but infinitely inferior to that classic.

Dehumanizer is a fine album that just never really lit me on fire in any way. The songs never stuck with me whereas all of them from TDYK did.

i only recently bothered to take a listen (to the demos that is) 'cause someone mentioned them in another thread here, but gorefest had some great stuff

and timeghoul of course

Yeah, I was going to say Timeghoul. I don't really go demo hunting all that much, but Timeghoul's demos are essential. They are among my all time favorite death metal releases

Thank you folks

You are the best…

Those guys tend not to be metal bands per se but *Metallica* fans, so there's nowhere left to go for them once they changed their look/image/sold out ect



Also Kat, Metal & Hell is pretty cool.

I don't know anyone who is a big Metallica fan that isn't also a fan of metal in general. But that is just my experience.

They're out there, believe me. At best, they tend to be sort of the target audience of Wacken, if you understand me.

I've been to Wacken. While there are tons of metal fans who gravitate towards the Sabaton's and Nighwish's of the genre, most seemed to be into metal.

Abhorrence.

I also like The Devil You Know a bit better than Dehumanizer. It has more of a classic doomy feel and all in all the songs are just a bit more memorable. Dehumanizer has I, Computer God, and especially After All (underrated classic, easily best on the album), but TDYK's got Fear, Bible Black, Atom and Evil, and Double the Pain. Iommi's riffs are so fucking heavy across that album and Dio still sounds solid to the last. It does have some filler on it and doesn't really come close to H&H or Mob Rules, but it was still a pretty amazing record for that line-up to bow out with.

"Double the Pain" was my best workout song back in college. And "Bible Black" and "Rock and Roll Angel" are just so fucking catchy... but yeah, H&H and Mob Rules are better. Not a bad thing to be compared to though.

The Necrovore stuff probably has an outsized influence for how little that band actually produced material-wise.

Definitely with you on After All and I, but don't count out TV Crimes (possibly the best up tempo Sabbath song), Too Late (in my top 3 power ballads ever), and Letters From Earth.

Agreed on all counts. “Too Late” is one of my all time fav Sab songs. A masterpiece.

The Devil You Know is awesome, though not better than Dehumanizer, but that's just because the latter is one of the best heavy metal albums ever. The Dio-fronted Black Sabbath albums are formidably consistent in quality, just pure greatness.

Based on this, it baffles me that anyone would appreciate Burzum at all considering Varg's terrible views and statements, which is itself proof of a distorted priority.However, this is more of me letting politics take precedence over music. However, it is what it is.

This.

I vary back and forth between the three Dio Sabbath albums as which is best. Sometimes its Dehumanizer just for that heavy crunch in the guitars and excellent songwriting and performance by Dio. Heaven and Hell may have the highest highs, but I thing Walk Away kind of drags it down as I find that song to be middling.

This is quite interesting. The song sounds bleak and depressing to me on first listen, but treating it as an instrumental I can see your point. It has a gentle feel like Fluff. However, allowing for different people to get different emotions out of a piece, the overall effect is bleak, and it's fascinating that they can wrangle such desolation out of it.

• The instrumentation (pads and cello?) is sombre
• The opening sequence of wavering semitone chord shifts sets a creepy tone
• The acoustic guitar is ringing a semitone interval
• Ozzy's voice is intrinsically creepy and unhinged (so much so that I'm having trouble imagining it any different with happy lyrics)
  

Which specific major key do you think this is in? My music theory hits a wall pretty quickly, but I'd have thought this is clearly E (harmonic) minor. It starts and ends on Em and uses a B. The vocal melody starts on E and goes up the minor scale. Granted it does rest on the B chord a lot, and the Edim7 is the same as an A#dim7 which could be considered a secondary diminished leading into B, and there's that sequence at the end of the interlude that goes up major chords (G A B, which could be B minor with the final triumphant major trick). C, D, G and A are not B major chords. The melody even for the synth solo is very E natural minorish.

I always found it ironic how there were folks who considered The Devil You Know to be too slow when the fastest tracks ended up being the weakest. I've always liked that album for how methodically the vocals are approached and the way that the riffs get some room to breathe. Crushing vibes for days.

The music is major and whimsical. It only sounds bleak because it has sappy heartbreak lyrics. If the lyrics were of pineapples and daisies it would just sound like a happy whimsical song that Ozzy was brutalizing with his pain inducing vocals. Now take Solitude & Changes. Both of them are written in a minor key or has such an overwhelmingly downtrodden musical landscape that it would be bleak and depressing regardless of the lyrical content.That is just what is called a terrible vocalist, nothing more.The composition is in the key of G, which is as major as it gets. The chords up until the instrumental interlude are Em/G. E/D#. Bm. G/5-/B. E/C. E/A#. That solo interlude and the solo coda chords are E5. Bm/D. Am*. Am/G*. C6/G*. Am/F#*. Em/G. A(add9). All chords will a * have a Cmaj7/G for the last whole step. As I wrote the music is very clearly one written in a major key and only seen as bleak because of the lyrics...

And in all of this I totally forgot what the point was. She's Gone is definitely a gutless turd of a song and this exchange is more attention than anyone should ever give it.

Now I have absolutely got to disagree with this. When I first got the album, and for a loooooooong time afterward, the only songs from the album I liked were the fastest tracks, Neverwhere and Eating the Cannibals. Eventually, which was a LONG eventually I began to really enjoy the first three tracks, especially Bible Black, which is now to me clearly the highlight of the album. But I probably still think Neverwhere and Eating the Cannibals are the second and third best tracks.

"Neverwhere" and "Follow the Tears" were the only slight slump for me on there. Still solid though.

"Eating the Cannibals" is clearly the best fast one for me - fucking savage.

"Atom & Evil" was always a standout because it felt like Iommi and them really experimenting for their standards by that point - a nicely slow crawl even by doom standards, and the album opener to boot. Just kind of an interesting way to open.

Trelldom is one of the best bm bands in the 90s... Gaahl best work

My unpopular is that Mob Rules is the best Black Sabbath album with Dio

I might have to agree with this. But at some time or another all three of those (excluding The Devil You Know) has been my favorite at one point or another.

Cruciamentum - Convocation of Crawling Chaos

Some of the best death metal ever released.

Ha! Fuckin' rekt!

‘Fear’ is legit one of the best riffs Iommi ever wrote….

Can I add that the three tracks on the Dio years album are severely underrated? Ear In The Wall is one of the best ‘fast’ Dio era Sabbath songs….

Oh definitely, those are great as well. Consistency!

I partly agree with this. The two slower ones (Shadow of the Wind especially) are great, Ear in the Wall, meh.... But based on The Devil Cried and Shadow of the Wind, I was expecting magic out of The Devil You Know.... Those two tracks are definitely better than the majority of The Devil You Know, imo.

Devil has some absolute bangers- Fear, Bible Black, Breaking Into Heaven- it’s a solid LP. The weakest track is probably Rock N Roll Angel- which has late period Dio solo stamped all over it.