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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:47 pm 
 

Paka01 wrote:
Dennis Stratton is in, but Blaze Bayley isn't? Fuck that shit...

I don't think Judas Priest brought Ripper in their award celebration at the HOF either.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:11 pm 
 

Cannot believe we have gone three pages worth of posts and no one decided to rank the other important aspect of Iron Maiden. The artwork. So going on just the studio albums, from least favorite to favorite for me would go:
  1. Dance of Death
  2. Senjutsu
  3. The Book of Souls
  4. Brave New World
  5. A Matter of Life and Death
  6. Virtual XI
  7. No Prayer for the Dying
  8. The X Factor
  9. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
  10. Piece of Mind
  11. Fear of the Dark
  12. Iron Maiden (Original)
  13. Powerslave
  14. Killers
  15. Iron Maiden (Remastered)
  16. The Final Frontier
  17. Somewhere in Time
  18. The Number of the Beast
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:30 pm 
 

Art work....

1. Powerslave
2. Somewhere in Time
3. Killers
4. The Number of the Beast
5. Piece of Mind
6. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
7. A Matter of Life and Death
8. Brave New World
9. No Prayer for the Dying
10. Fear of the Dark
11. Iron Maiden
12. Senjutsu
13. The Final Frontier
14. The X-Factor
15. Virtual XI
16. Book of Souls
17. Dance of Death

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Ace_Rimmer
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:31 pm 
 

Paka01 wrote:
Dennis Stratton is in, but Blaze Bayley isn't? Fuck that shit...


Playing on the first album seems to make on a lock.

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Crossbones
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:07 pm 
 

Artwork, from best to worst;

1. Powerslave
2. Number of the Beast
3. Somewhere In Time
4. Brave New World
5. Killers
6. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son
7. No Prayer for the Dying
8. Iron Maiden
9. The Final Frontier
10. Piece of Mind
11. Senjutsu
12. Fear of the Dark
13. Virtual XI
14. The X Factor
15. The Book of Souls
16. Bad CGI proof of concept (also known as Dance of Death)

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Eternal Unity
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:54 pm 
 

Luvers wrote:
Eternal Unity wrote:
Luvers wrote:
1) Only one song is permitted to be over 7 minutes and none should ever be longer than 9.
- Why not?
Because IRON MAIDEN FUCKING SUCKS AT WRITING LONG SONGS. Being progressive is not 11 minutes with 11 interchangeable noodling solos,a tired singer who sounds like he would rather have his balls in a vice than sing over such boring melodies and a MEDIOCRE chorus repeated enough times that you wish to bash your skull in with a ballpoint hammer. Iron Maiden is NOT progressive metal, THIS is progressive metal.

We know that Maiden is not progressive METAL. Harris is a huge Prog ROCK fan.

What do you think about Bruce's performence on Death of the Celts?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:56 pm 
 

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It is known that Powerslave contains 4 Epics & 4 mediocre songs.

When I read this, I thought this person needs help. So I've booked you into the nearest hearing clinic.


lol
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:00 pm 
 

Metallic Shock wrote:
What's your guys' favorite Maiden album for Steve's bass playing/tone? I might argue The X Factor is his best performance as he explores more variety in his playing than normal. Lots of cool atmospheric bits and he gets really upfront with more power chords and stuff, but tone-wise there's something hard to beat about the debut, especially on a tune like Charlotte the Harlot or the s/t song.


Brave New World
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:05 pm 
 

Artwork:
Best - Somewhere In Time, Seventh Son.
Worst - Dance of Death, X Factor
Live album - Death on the Road
Single - Speed of Light
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2023 8:45 pm 
 

CreepingDeath16 wrote:
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If you want an actual bad track from NotB, look no further than "Invaders" ; blech...

The only bad song on TNotB is Run to the Hills. All the others are either good or fantastic.


That's it. Leave the hall, both of you!

Not specifically music related, but Maiden related: coolest version of Eddie?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:13 am 
 

Nocturnal_Evil wrote:
CreepingDeath16 wrote:
Metal_Jaw wrote:
If you want an actual bad track from NotB, look no further than "Invaders" ; blech...


Not specifically music related, but Maiden related: coolest version of Eddie?


Album Covers - Fear of the Dark, Iron Maiden
Merchandise - Eddie's Head - That's some wicked stuff ..,,ha ha, The Trooper Union Jack Flag, The Queen's Royal Guard Red Uniform
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:40 am 
 

Nocturnal_Evil wrote:
CreepingDeath16 wrote:
Metal_Jaw wrote:
If you want an actual bad track from NotB, look no further than "Invaders" ; blech...

The only bad song on TNotB is Run to the Hills. All the others are either good or fantastic.


That's it. Leave the hall, both of you!

You can run to the hills all you want, but I'm staying in the hall with the rest of TNotB.

My favourite Eddie/cover is the Killers one. I'm pretty lukewarm on Eddie in general.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 6:54 am 
 

In terms of the covers, the reunion era in general has been pretty poor.

Senjutsu and BoS have really cool Eddies, but the whole look of focusing on the top half of his body on a black background makes them seem unfinished. Imagine if they tried that style on the 80s stuff, they'd be nowhere near as iconic.
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Final Frontier, just a crap Eddie, never liked it

AMOLAD is ok, good idea, but I think Eddie could have been more prominent

I don't think anyone could disagree that Dance of Death is the worst. I can't wrap my head around how the band approved something so shit

BNW is decent, nothing amazing, but not terrible

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:40 am 
 

Nocturnal_Evil wrote:

Not specifically music related, but Maiden related: coolest version of Eddie?


Stranger in a Strange Land. I love how far they leaned into the science fiction elements for Somewhere In Time.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:17 am 
 

Yup, that color scheme is perfect
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:44 am 
 

Artwork:

Favs - Somewhere In Time, Killers
Least Fav - X Factor, Virtual XI
Live album art - LAD
Single - Run to the Hills, 2 Minutes to Midnight

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:56 am 
 

I still don't understand how they thought the artwork for Dance of Death was a good idea. How could someone look at that and think that it's anything other than an eyesore?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:15 pm 
 

Ace_Rimmer wrote:
Paka01 wrote:
Dennis Stratton is in, but Blaze Bayley isn't? Fuck that shit...


Playing on the first album seems to make on a lock.


I honestly cannot figure out how the RNR HOF determines who gets in and who is left out. Black Sabbath gets in but it's only the original 4, no Dio (and no Vinny, for that matter). The Red Hot Chili Peppers had almost everyone who ever recorded with them, except, I believe, the guitarist on their first album. Pearl Jam includes the drummer from the first album but not the guy on the next couple, which were big albums, because Eddie didn't like him, or something. The drummer from Nirvana's first album is excluded but Dennis Stratton is included as a part of Maiden? I have nothing against Dennis Stratton but he's got to be the least consequential band member to ever be a part of an Iron Maiden album.

If Maiden does get in, what songs do you think they would perform at the ceremony? My money is on Run to the Hills and The Trooper.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:35 pm 
 

TadGhostal wrote:
Ace_Rimmer wrote:
Paka01 wrote:
Dennis Stratton is in, but Blaze Bayley isn't? Fuck that shit...


Playing on the first album seems to make on a lock.


I honestly cannot figure out how the RNR HOF determines who gets in and who is left out. Black Sabbath gets in but it's only the original 4, no Dio (and no Vinny, for that matter). The Red Hot Chili Peppers had almost everyone who ever recorded with them, except, I believe, the guitarist on their first album. Pearl Jam includes the drummer from the first album but not the guy on the next couple, which were big albums, because Eddie didn't like him, or something. The drummer from Nirvana's first album is excluded but Dennis Stratton is included as a part of Maiden? I have nothing against Dennis Stratton but he's got to be the least consequential band member to ever be a part of an Iron Maiden album.

If Maiden does get in, what songs do you think they would perform at the ceremony? My money is on Run to the Hills and The Trooper.


The RoR HOF board is mostly the Rollingstone magazine types. I'm sure they thought they were making enough of a sacrifice allowing Sabbath in with the original members. Later version of the band, that were platinum selling, are probably considered too "80's butt rock". But if you are a 60's one hit wonder, or a punk band, or not even a form of rock then you a prime candidate.

PJ is a prime example. The original drummer was out pretty much right after the recording of the debut. Dave Abbruzzese, who drummed on all the tours as they exploded and the next two huge albums, is left out. As is Jack Irons who played on two albums as well. But Ed and Jeff Ament disliked Dave since he wasn't aligned with them on political matters and more importantly, wasn't ashamed of being a rock star and being a massive success. I know the HOF board decides who goes in but the band has some input and I'm sure for Dave A's case it wasn't positive. I think Jack got left off since if they put him in but not Dave it is even more a farce.

But I don't have an issue with Blaze being left off to be honest, he was in the band at their lowest point.

Songs I think you probably nailed them, though if Paul is there they will play something off one of his two albums.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:09 pm 
 

DemonFilth2001 wrote:
Two of my favorite tunes that seem to be universally hated are...Quest for Fire and Sun and Steel. Any love for these two killer tracks?


I enjoy them as well. I've wondered if people would like them more (or maybe hate them less) if the two tracks were placed earlier in the album's sequence, rather than as "deep cuts." They're not long songs, kind of underwhelming as a lead-up to the epic finale. What if "Sun and Steel" and "Quest for Fire" were over and done with right away?

The following is actually my preferred way to listen to Piece of Mind.

1. Where Eagles Dare
2. Sun and Steel
3. Quest for Fire
4. Revelations
5. The Trooper
6. Die With Your Boots On
7. Flight of Icarus
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 2:36 pm 
 

Kalaratri wrote:
I still don't understand how they thought the artwork for Dance of Death was a good idea. How could someone look at that and think that it's anything other than an eyesore?


The original plan was for Dave Patchett to paint the cover, which would have been awesome, but the band decided to go with the computer mock up instead.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 3:10 pm 
 

I wonder what possessed them to think that the CGI one was better, because it clearly would've been better if it was painted.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 12:22 am 
 

The tragedy of Dance of Death is knowing that had Patchett been given the go ahead to paint it, we’d probably be discussing it as one of their best covers. I’m not sure how his Cathedral style would apply to Maiden worldbuilding, but it’d no doubt be full of intricate details.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:55 am 
 

Ace_Rimmer wrote:
Paka01 wrote:
Dennis Stratton is in, but Blaze Bayley isn't? Fuck that shit...


Playing on the first album seems to make on a lock.

Yeah the S/T album is a fuckin classic and a historically important album. I'd be surprised if they didn't include Blaze, they've always been pretty cool when it comes to ex members.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 4:58 pm 
 

What do you think about Remember Tommorow?
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One of the best songs of their debut
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2023 6:28 pm 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
The tragedy of Dance of Death is knowing that had Patchett been given the go ahead to paint it, we’d probably be discussing it as one of their best covers. I’m not sure how his Cathedral style would apply to Maiden worldbuilding, but it’d no doubt be full of intricate details.


I wonder if it's possible to recreate the DoD cover as if it was painted by Patchett using one of these AI software things.
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Iron Maiden: Constantly in eternal struggle with Judas Priest for the title of Undisputed* Heavy Metal Band of All Time.

The 80s studio albums are the Bill of Rights of heavy metal. Just about everything afterwards (Brave New World withstanding) are frustratingly solid arguments as to why trad heavy metal is boring with no new ideas and everyone needs to just love Slipknot and Lamb Of God already. Steve Harris's studio sanity never recovered from Martin Birch's retirement. Good lord I could write testaments on how boring and lame modern Iron Maiden is. Live they tell detuning to go fuck itself. And God bless em for it.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 1:05 am 
 

KaiKasparek wrote:
Iron Maiden: Constantly in eternal struggle with Judas Priest for the title of Undisputed* Heavy Metal Band of All Time.


Goddam english, always go by the book lol
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 2:52 am 
 

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A good song, but I think the best version is the live B-side from the Number of the Beast single. I don't normally care for Bruce singing the Di'Anno material, but he kills it there.

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I don't understand why you get a certain amount of Maiden fans (not having a go at anyone here specifically, BTW) who quit listening after Seventh Son but then make an exception for Brave New World. It just seems rather unimaginative: "oh I guess the first reunion album is worth it" while seemingly being unwilling to bother with any of the other post 2000 records. Liking BNW but not the two albums after it just seems strange as those records are clearly better than BNW (which is still a good album).

It's also hilarious when people slag off VXI and worship BNW because several songs on BNW (Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors and at least one other track I think) were originally written for VXI but held over from that album.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 5:00 am 
 

Nocturnal_Evil wrote:
CreepingDeath16 wrote:
Metal_Jaw wrote:
If you want an actual bad track from NotB, look no further than "Invaders" ; blech...

The only bad song on TNotB is Run to the Hills. All the others are either good or fantastic.


That's it. Leave the hall, both of you!


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Modern Maiden albums don't sound bad, but they're also way too muddy. It's as if the mix was approved by someone with hearing damage (probably Harris).

Also, controversial opinion: Somewhere in Time is probably the weakest 80's album (still fantastic, though) and 'Alexander the Great' has always left me cold.
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Cosmic_Equilibrium wrote:
I don't understand why you get a certain amount of Maiden fans (not having a go at anyone here specifically, BTW) who quit listening after Seventh Son but then make an exception for Brave New World. It just seems rather unimaginative: "oh I guess the first reunion album is worth it" while seemingly being unwilling to bother with any of the other post 2000 records. Liking BNW but not the two albums after it just seems strange as those records are clearly better than BNW (which is still a good album).

It's also hilarious when people slag off VXI and worship BNW because several songs on BNW (Blood Brothers, Dream of Mirrors and at least one other track I think) were originally written for VXI but held over from that album.


BNW is their most straightforward and easy to like album after their earliest works - it's glossy, polished and doesn't really have much that you can't easily discern from a listen or two. All the ones after that have seen them trying to do things at least a little differently (still in the confines of their style but still) - they are challenging themselves more on the later albums.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:33 am 
 

I actually heard a song off BNW for the first time by chance the other day and it kinda just sounded like the solemn turn they had on x factor with Bruce on vocals, so yeah it's a little hypocritical to jump back on that as genius and ignore the others just cuz it doesn't have the right singer

I'll have to actually listen to the album but my impression from the 2 minutes I heard of the title track reminded me of blaze Bayley era more than anything
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BNW does have some much more upbeat stuff than the Blaze albums and the production is better, but yeah, plenty of it was obviously from that period itself. Not a bad thing. Maiden's always at least OK except some of the stuff on Fear of the Dark maybe.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:38 am 
 

Also you all completely failed on the artwork question seventh son all the way and it's not even a particularly challenging decision, power slave is the only one that's close

The artwork on seventh son is absolutely gorgeous really captures the wonderful spirit of the album
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:40 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
BNW does have some much more upbeat stuff than the Blaze albums and the production is better, but yeah, plenty of it was obviously from that period itself. Not a bad thing. Maiden's always at least OK except some of the stuff on Fear of the Dark maybe.


Funny enough I never heard all of Fear of the Dark but I think the first song and the title track are utter classics, I see people bag on fear of the dark the song but I seriously would take that over pretty much any of the classic 80s epics besides maybe to tame a land

And when you have the albums in chronological order it's a great one two punch between fear and sign of the cross which is absolutely their best epic and maybe best track in general
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:41 am 
 

On the topic of post-reunion Maiden, I think that Dance of Death is better than Brave New World. It's also the last Iron Maiden album I can enjoy. To me, everything afterwards is too anemic and overlong. Just muddy mid-paced repetitive plodding that doesn't go anywhere interesting. I cannot shit on everything since AMOLAD, because there are parts (cool riffs and vocal lines) that are cool but end up lost amid the big beige nothing surrounding them. AMOLAD works a bit better because it's only 1 disc, but holy fuck, Book and Senjutsu are a chore to get through!

I believe Maiden has the same problem that Metallica has. They write long songs and long albums, but the material does not justify the lengths. If we trim the fat and drop lesser songs, there is a good album spread between Death Magnetic and Hardwired. Same with Maiden. Among the 4 discs of Book and Senjutsu there could be a solid Maiden album
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