I like too Infernal Battles but taste are taste

Si Monumentum for me is the best album of last twenty years but I can understand that is very difficult to digest..

however no one can deny the enormous influence and legacy they have given to the scene

I just kind of find the dissonant/Orthodox back metal shit kind of dull outside of like, Funeral Mist and Onskapt



I mean sure, but whether or not that's a good thing is up for debate.

Now this is just slander lol

Finland and chile probably have the best scene of black metal currently

I have a more unpopular opinion. Finish black metal is for the most part completely forgettable. If the whole scene disappeared nothing of value would be lost and most of us wouldn't even notice it.

I haven't connected all that well with Finnish BM, either, aside from some Behexen and Drawing Down The Moon.

That's because Synarchy of Molten Bones is just a live recording of the entire inventory of a soup kitchen falling down a flight of stairs. I think it's their one major failure. But I'd be wary of anyone (not really) into extreme metal that doesn't at least see the quality in a song like Abscission.

Jokes aside, I think it's a great record and Onward Where Most with Ravin I May Meet is just amazing from start to finish, one of their best songs (probably on my top 10 songs of the band). I can totally get people not liking Deathspell Omega or not wanting to listen to them because of the eh... obvious connections they have.

I've never really dug that deep into DsO's music because Aspa repulses me, but from the little I've heard of their music, it's really effective, well-crafted and quite unique. I've never fallen in love with their music as much as other dissonant death and black metal, but I can't really imagine calling it bad music it either.

My main memory of it is it being uninspired and messy. Extremity without much substance. Maybe I should revisit it since it's been years and years since I've last listened to it.

It's by far on of their most mathcorish and chaotic records, which is why I love it. The first two tracks are good but nothing spectacular. The last two tracks are stellar though. Onward Where Most with Ravin I May Meet is full of great riffs and it reminds me a lot of The Repellent Scars of Abandon and Election, one of my favourite tracks. Internecine Iatrogenesis has that one insane riff that I really love too, you'll know which one when you listen to it.

Again, I can totally get if some people don't like it but I think it's weird to love The Repellent Scars of Abandon and Election but hate this. Even though it's a really complex album I think it's pretty tight and focused. Could have been a 50 minutes album with intros, fanfare, ambient tracks, etc. like they did with Fas, but instead they went for a more direct approach.

Synarchy of Molten Bones is a really good album imo. I hate a lot of the dissoshit people go crazy over (newer Ulcerate is pretty much the worst thing ever to my tastes) but DsO really get the balance between extremity and catchiness right. Or they used to at least. Their last album was neither extreme nor catchy.

Uneducated might be a better word than unpopular. Bands like Beherit and Horna have been very influential.

I don't know man, I agree with Finland but I don't think that I know any band from Chile right now.

I agree:

Deathspell Omega sucks

Watain sucks

Gorgoroth

Dimnu Borgir sucks

Whats forgotten in that list is Mgla.

Unpopular opinion: I love everything Death ever did, but their weakest album - for me - is "human". Since Death is one of my all times faves that means nearly nothing, because this album is great; but i guess it isnt the most popular opinion.

Pfff

Behexen,Horna,Satanic Warmaster (yeah he is a cunt but no one is perfect Mgla take inspiration from that)Sargeist,Aegrus,Antimateria,Azaghal,Warloghe,Baptism,Cosmic Church,Forgjord(only the most interesting band of the world)Angelscourge,Kalmakamtaja,Aesthus,Noenum,Hautakammio,Ymir,Korgonthurus,Malum,Marras,Phlegein,Warmoon Lord,Havukruunu,Sarastus,Riivaus,To Concel the Horns etc etc

Pratically without Finland and the vast influence on other scene of last twenty years we have nothing

Half the bands you listed either didn't exist until 2011 at the earliest or released a couple of demos in the late 90s and did fuck all until five years ago when they finally recorded an album. Let's not go pretending that if they didn't exist then we'd have no black metal to listen to from the last 20 years.

We'd certainly be missing a lot of NSBM...and its influence/influencers.

Pfff yourself. Beherit is the only truly essential Finnish black metal band.

Impaled Nazarene's Ugra Karma is a classic.

And other half pratically influenced all ..

Three styles exist today,Raw black metal,Finnish bm and Orthodox black metal.

What came from Norway or Sweden in last twenty years?

Maybe ten bands..

And I forgot Beherit and Archgoat

Ps Nsbm was invented by Varg,in Poland and in France not in Finland(basically here we have few nsbm bands respect to other countries)

You're just talking nonsense, sorry. I lost it at "Three styles exist today,Raw black metal,Finnish bm and Orthodox black metal". That's incredibly reductive and completely false.

How did Varg create NSBM, when Burzum isn't NSBM?

Of course my statement is reductive and generic but maybe like yours that says that …

Anyway tell me what other styles exist today so numerous ?


Yeah maybe Burzum aren’t nsbm like Clandestine Blaze but Varg was one of the first to speak of nazism and other shitty thing,and what do in private reflects in public.

either this statement is valid for everyone or for none…

Burzum might not be explicitly NS, but Varg did publicly held national socialist beliefs in real life and also formed the far-right group Norsk Hedensk Front and wrote Vargsmål while in prison, and these beliefs would go on to influence other bigots bands such as Absurd and much of the Polish black metal scene in the mid-late-90s.

Fair enough.

Exactly

As always you did better than me

Same. The little that I have heard seems to be pretty damn good though. Sargeist, Moonsorrow, and [b]Havukruunu[/b ]in particular.

It's kind of sad that this is what Finland's black metal scene is most remembered for...

Yep! Even the non NSBM black metal bands like Impaled Nazarene are made of racist shitheels.

On another note, Myke who I like and respect offering his own unpopular opinions about Megadeth

Interresting video. But I don't know just how unpopular of an opinion it is, at this point, to kind of dislike everything Megadeth except Rust in Peace. Like, I personnally enjoy stuff from all around their discography, well, mostly stuff between Peace Sells and TSHF, but I can understand why RIP would be the only one someone might enjoy. It's most definitely Megadeth's best, without a doubt.

I haven’t found anything about Impaled Nazarene being NS related or any of the members being racists except from some obvious ''metal'' rags and Reddit threads. If they are, then I stand corrected but until further proof this is a unjustified and potentially fraudulent claim.

Have you tried reading their lyrics?

Some of them, yes. Which lyrics are you referring to?

Maybe I’m missing something but a part Goatmoon and early Satanic Warmaster what bands are nsbm?

If we say that Impaled Nazarene wrote right lyrics,the same we can do of all Quebec scene.

Total War - Winter War, Zero Tolerance, Blueprint for Your Culture's Apocalypse, I Wage War, Martial Law, are a few of the most obvious ones, but the truth is they are clearly a right wing band who are very comfortable pushing their lyrics into nazi/fascist adjacent territory on a regular basis. I'm not here to make any specific accusations regarding the band members' actions or affiliations, but they make their general point of view very clear on a constant basis and you'd have to be delusional or complicit in order to deny it.

I wonder what is wrong with that particular song but obviously you haven't read the lyrics or the history books . The country was invaded (even Helsinki bombed) and the Finnish resisted the Soviet bolshevik aggression. Some band makes a song about it and that is entering nazi/fascist adjacent territory. But maybe you really think that "1984" was a real dystopia and nothing of the sort existed in the communist countries.


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Returning to the thread, a very popular opinion:
Paracletus and Drought are two of the most brightest peaks of black metal post-2000 and DsO are AMAZING!


p.s. Hell, even the track itself The Long Defeat is a black metal gem gifted to us by DsO

I have family members who were killed in the Winter War, so I'm very familiar with it. I have no issue with Finland's actions in self defense against the USSR, or even anything against writing a song expressing patriotism regarding those actions. What I do take issue with is opening the song with a chant paraphrasing a speech from Goebbels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech

I didn't make that connection, Impaled Nazarene did.

Unpopular opinion - Paracletus is not in my top-5 DSO releases. (And they're a band I really, really like).

Archspire is a gimmicky band and that got old fast