I'll give it a few more chances. I did love the new Crawl (but that might not fit into the funeral doom or even straight up doom, genre. I'm listening to the latest Oak and I'll give Skepticism's "Stormcrofleet" a chance as well. been trying out Bell Witch as well but it hasn't stuck.



Obviously

I just think I'd enjoy it more if there was more dynamics in any kind of way. It often sounds too predictable to me.

Edit: spelling.

Firstly, you mean TOO predictable, I'm sure.

Secondly, try listening to Abstract Spirit from Russia, especially their magnum opus Horror Vacui, and later try some Worship. Let me know if you find them predictable. Furthermore, what's wrong with being predictable?

"Too" it should've been, yes

Predictable doesn't have to be bad but when it doesn't grab me and is predictable it's worse than if it doesn't grab me and at least is interesting in some way. With a lot of funeral doom I just hear exactly how everything will develop, when every chord change will happen, how every melody line will be plays in relation to the drums etc.

I will give Abstract Spirit a shot though, thanks!

Just out of curiosity, could you explain why you find it to be crap? I disagree, but I’d be interested to hear your opinion.

I’d say if I was 16 I’d probably identify with it. At 49 it sounds pathetic. Musically not very interesting either.

That shit sounded corny to me back when I was 16 so I couldn't get with it even back then. I hated nu-metal the first time it came around in the mid 1990s, Sepultura's stint as a nu-metal band was definitely something I wasn't into at the time.

When I was 16, I hated all nu metal, but in my late 20s, I gave some of it a chance, and got into it. I think the song is good. A good anthem, for punching drywall, cursing the gods of the universe, and all that. I’ll admit, Max Cavalera sounds kind of stupid in it, but I can agree with the idea of it, because I feel that way too. Motherfuckers just don’t understand all my hate, rage, and pain.

I think the band’s use of unconventional instruments is interesting, and I think that artistically, nu metal had some interesting ideas. some of the rhythmic stuff, and simplifying the riffs, to put more emphasis on textures, it sounds like some of the more avant-garde post metal, except, instead of educated hipsters, they sound like people I can actually relate to. I think the style has some good bands and ideas, it just got mainstream quickly, and over saturated with watered down stuff with no real grit and edge.

The lyrics though, I put it in the same category as true metal songs about killing one’s enemies with swords. If I’m listening to it at work, I’m pissed off all day, I’m surrounded by motherfuckers who don’t understand all my hate, rage, and pain, and there the ones that are causing it, fucking up my life. I’d like to jumpdafuckup, I’d like to hail and kill, like Eric Adams says. I won’t do it, because I live in a society, but I like listening to music that gets it.

Max always has very immature lyrics from what I know (though I haven't followed his whole career). There are times when it really doesn't work but somehow he does manage to make it work at other times. I love the debut album from Cavalera Conspiracy. Stupid lyrics but it goes so well with the music I wouldn't want it any other way.

Yeah I was never into nu-metal, not for the lyrics but mostly because the music didn't really didn't do much of anything interesting. But the lyrics did not help. It was worse than grunge lyrics in most ways.

Some new metal albums are good some are bad…

Like all music(except metal)

First Korn,Chaos AD,First Machine Head and some Slipknot albums or System of a Down.

Aborted is one of the most underrated death metal bands.

The issue with nu-metal à la Jump da fuck up is that's it's massively uninspired and uninspiring both as raw, passionate, violent and basic, straightforward metal, and it's also deeply stupid and unsophisticated.

It doesn't connect with me in any significant way, and all it tries to do, is done way better by other bands. I want simple, violent, groovy metal, I go for Cannibal Corpse, Gojira, Fulci, Anaal Nathrak. And if I want sophisticated, prog, complex compositions and whatnot, I go for Symphony X, Human era Death, Nevermore, Dream Theater, etc. And there's a lot of stuff in between.

But nu-metal, with a few exceptions though, is mostly bad.

Even as simple music that focuses more on atmosphere then riffing, like stuff with catchy melody or choruses, it lacks any kind of staying power. I can listen to simpler stuff like Katatonia, for instance, music with hooks an catchy choruses, but nu-metal just doesn't manage do to that with consistency.

Not only that, but there is so much juvenile, angsty, aimlessly hateful shit in nu-metal, it makes it cringey at worst, and dumb-but-mildly-enjoyable at best. Everything about Jump da fuck up is cringe, from the chorus to the edgy, pretentious and pseudo-intellectual shit of Corey Taylor.

Again, there are exceptions, and nu-metal did have some quality material, but as a whole it's uninteresting.

That tends to happen with most genres. I really love black metal but you have to admit most of it is just terrible too. For every good band there are like ten really bad ones. The same coul be said about nu metal, for every Deftones there are ten Crazy Towns.

To further explain my point, consider these lyrics:

"Walking in the streets and looking at all this shit
I'm full of hate, don't fuck with me
Walking in the streets and looking at all this shit
Open up your eyes and fucking see
We got the tribe against society
We got to fight the real enemy
Get the fuck up, stand the fuck up
Back the fuck up"

These lyrics might speak to angsty teens, but they are everything I despise from bands like Soulfly, Slipknot or even Arch Enemy. What is this "real enemy"? What is wrong about "society" exactly? Like, please, actually tell me. I said it before, I don't mind angsty music, but actually tell me what's wrong, like Rage Against the Machine in Killing In The Name Of. Don't just give me this vague, stupidly belligerent and aimless shit where the whole narrative is "We right they wrong" and the solution is to "jump da fuck up".

It's a shitty song by all measurable metric.

I agree Heaven

Deftones White Pony anyway is one of best album of last twenty years…

No new metal maybe but definitely influenced by that

I don't know if most black metal is bad, I can easily name a 100 great black metal albums, I can't say the same about nu-metal. There are good albums here and there, a few solid songs. Hell, I said negative stuff about Slipknot, but they have good songs. But I'll take black metal over nu-metal anyday.

Nu-metal was definitely a product of its time. The HBO series on woodstock was a good snapshot into that late 90s / early 00s early. Lots of angry, aggressive music was charting very high, very sexualized content objectifying women (looking at all the lads mags that were popular in UK & Ireland, WWFs attitude era, shows like Ibiza uncovered), and dumb entertainment such as jackass etc and nu-metal perfectly blended into that era. Limp Bizkit probably being the poster band for the culture at the time.

As much as most of it is absolutely terrible, i liked Slipknot, Deftones, SOAD and some of Linkin Park who were basically just pop music to me. Its mad looking back how absolutely massive the genre was

These bands you listed all have solid moments for sure. Slipknot was a gateway band for me, and Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory is still legitimately a masterpiece of the genre.

SoaD had songs with angry lyrics, but with a real subject, a real enemy, instead of some vague undefined enemy. Songs like The Prison Song, or Toxicity were just fucking massive.

Korn's first album was pretty good as well, although not sure if that would be considered proto nu-metal or not. There are other songs from other bands like Coal Chamber and the likes that I'd consider dumb fun but that's about it.

I think Deftones kept making great albums. It's incredible since they got lumped into Nu Metal unfairly.

Ohh hell yeah brother.

From the perspective of an angsty teen I think this is why these lyrics resonates so much. They are so broad that the angsty teen can fill in the blanks themselves. Sometimes with actual political or religious content but usually just that feeling of everything is shit and society ("others") is to blame. Of course it sounds infantile for a grown up but I get why it speaks to a large segment of the teenage audience. Had the "message" been more precise it would actually loose some of its power to that given audience. Everyone can feel included in their feeling of otherness.

I'd say overrated.

I dunno about overrated, but heating Aborted be called underrated is a stretch since they more or less made leaps in popularity after The Archaic Abattoir came out back in the 2000s. They basically went from a BDM band to a band that was showing up in Revolver, getting actual Headbangers Ball airtime (I know Dead Wreckoning was played on there), and the like.

Good point. I can see that someone would be able to fit "their own pain" into the lyrics. Still not my bag but a decent take.

I looooove Aborted... or at least The Archaic Abattoir, but the rest of their stuff is generally enjoyable to variable extents. But that's about it.

I actually enjoy Five Finger Death Punch.

I'd say neither.
Saw them live twice and heard some of the albums. It's okayish.
Not something I'd buy

I understand that, but it still doesn't really work for me. When it's more about personnal and emotionnal stuff, like Linkin Park did on Hybrid Theory, the vagueness of it doesn't bother me, but whenever we're talking about broader, social issues, but we keep it vague and just throw around belligerant words, it quickly starts to annoy me. But yeah, I understand the purpose, but I'm really not a fan of these kind of lyrics and the dumb music it usually is featured on.

Nice first post.

Would also be a great last post, just saying.

It probably won't be long. If you're enough of a meathead to enjoy Five Finger Death Punch, you'll probably shoot yourself in the foot in some other way if you try to talk around here.

I for one am relieved he's not a hippo.

Some people are not really familiar with their antics and whatever stupid political stances they take outside of their music, or even, to an extent, within their music. Some folks are genuinely not really interested in the lyrics of whatever band they listen to, so they might not know that the guys of FFDP are shitheads. I personnally think their music is also terrible, but that's another discussion.

Their music makes it easy enough to hate FFDP, I don't really care about their politics that much. They probably appeal to your average American conservative since they share most of the same political positions, but that's not unusual for the sort of band they are.

I can get what you’re saying, and honestly, I should agree with you. Because I really hate the douchebag radio rock bands, that acted angry(some of these are not even really nu metal, they might’ve had a rap verse, or a nu metal riff, but the atmosphere wasn’t the same), but sometimes, I don’t need specific complaints, or a purpose. Sometimes, I’m just pissed off at my life, and the world and people around me. Maybe I’m just biased and selective, and forgive him, for being in Sepultura.

I actually avoid Linkin Park, like I avoid suicidal edgelord black metal, because I know how he ended his life, and I just don’t want to spend my time listening to that, because I consider it negative. This is a really unpopular opinion, around here, a forum full of educated people, who went to universities, and like to “criticize,” and talk about theories, but I like some anti-intellectual messages. A lifetime of experience has taught me that anger and aggression can improve your life, much more so, than not having them at all. I like anger and aggression, and I hate pacifists and snitches. I have a personal grudge against them, because they indoctrinated me with their propaganda, when I was reallly young.

If some intellectual pacifist coward criticizes my hate, my rage, and my pain, then, motherfucker they don’t understand. No slave ship, no worship, no motherfucking hootie and the blowfish. Motherfuckers don’t understand my hate, and they don’t care to, and then they tell me that they’re morally superior to me, because they’re “empathetic.” Fuck that, I hate those people.

Most bestial blackmetal sucks ass and has annoying blast beats and repetitive riffs, just stfu and die already.

That's pretty bold of you to say ngl.


I would have to disagree. I get that bestial black/war metal isn't for everyone, but I don't really see how the blastbeats can be annoying per say.

That's an odd thing to say.