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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:46 pm 
 

"I don't really see the racism" lol, Christ... Imagine dying on the hill of Arghoslent.
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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:43 pm 
 

Well, the album is up for pre-order now, at the link below. I'm a fan of their music, but I have never given them a single dime of my money. I'm sure once orders go out, someone will upload the album to YouTube, just like Kohanic Charmers was...

http://weltenfeind.com/store

"The album features 9 new and hostile death metal hymns clocking in at roughly 50 minutes. Don't expect anything less than the habitual heavy-duty finger-picked bass lines, triumphant dueling guitars, hoarse vocals, and engrossing leitmotifs.

*Available from W.T.C. PRODUCTIONS (Germany) in Europe.

**Don't send emails asking when your order is being shipped. It goes out when it goes out."

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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:59 am 
 

Gelal of Arghoslent and GBK lived for a while in Argentina, he really digs South American football culture. He played in an amateur football club of metalheads called "Pesadillas Football Club" (Nightmare Football Club). Always seemed really weird to me that the guy lived in my country and ended up playing in a racist band in the USA. If he didn't move to America, he would probably ended up as another hispanic guy who likes Messi and asado, like everyone here.

It's a shame that their lyrics are so hurtful to the scene, their music is actually pretty good. Always liked that melodic but still heavy approach to death metal. I am gonna check their upcoming album, but I would never pay them a dime, like the comment above me said.

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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:14 am 
 

SanPeron wrote:
Gelal of Arghoslent and GBK lived for a while in Argentina, he really digs South American football culture. He played in an amateur football club of metalheads called "Pesadillas Football Club" (Nightmare Football Club). Always seemed really weird to me that the guy lived in my country and ended up playing in a racist band in the USA. If he didn't move to America, he would probably ended up as another hispanic guy who likes Messi and asado, like everyone here.

It's a shame that their lyrics are so hurtful to the scene, their music is actually pretty good. Always liked that melodic but still heavy approach to death metal. I am gonna check their upcoming album, but I would never pay them a dime, like the comment above me said.


I heard awhile back, that he did in fact live in Argentina for a bit, like you're saying. And that he loves soccer. But the "if he didn't move to America" I am pretty sure is inaccurate. As far as I know, he is originally American. Both Arghoslent, and GBK formed in Virginia, in the early 90's.

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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:21 am 
 

Deathstalker1985 wrote:
SanPeron wrote:
Gelal of Arghoslent and GBK lived for a while in Argentina, he really digs South American football culture. He played in an amateur football club of metalheads called "Pesadillas Football Club" (Nightmare Football Club). Always seemed really weird to me that the guy lived in my country and ended up playing in a racist band in the USA. If he didn't move to America, he would probably ended up as another hispanic guy who likes Messi and asado, like everyone here.

It's a shame that their lyrics are so hurtful to the scene, their music is actually pretty good. Always liked that melodic but still heavy approach to death metal. I am gonna check their upcoming album, but I would never pay them a dime, like the comment above me said.


I heard awhile back, that he did in fact live in Argentina for a bit, like you're saying. And that he loves soccer. But the "if he didn't move to America" I am pretty sure is inaccurate. As far as I know, he is originally American. Both Arghoslent, and GBK formed in Virginia, in the early 90's.


I should have said, "If he didn't move back". Since he is American, but always felt weird knowing that the same guy who thinks of life in terms of race and such could get along really well with South Americans and enjoy a pretty popular and working-class activity as playing a game with friends before a few beers. Maybe something happened after, I don't really know.

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Forever Underground
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:53 am 
 

SanPeron wrote:
I should have said, "If he didn't move back". Since he is American, but always felt weird knowing that the same guy who thinks of life in terms of race and such could get along really well with South Americans and enjoy a pretty popular and working-class activity as playing a game with friends before a few beers. Maybe something happened after, I don't really know.

Working class doesn't exempt you from being racist, homophobic and misogynist, and especially the football world is very late in that kind of issues, sexist bigoted racist and xenophobic comments are very very very very common among football fans. Don't fool yourself, Gelal was already the same way he is now in Argentina, that's why he got interested in the holigaan world of football, because it's a very accessible place for people with his shitty mentality.
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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:57 am 
 

This is from his personal bio on this site:

"He is an avid soccer fan and hooligan. He lived in Argentina from 1999 to 2000 and expressed his love of soccer hooliganism and violence during that time. He played in an amateur soccer club of metalheads called "Pesadillas Football Club" (Nightmare Football Club)."

So yeah, that makes sense lol

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hakarl
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:53 am 
 

Ever heard of Skinheads?
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LordOblivion
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:18 am 
 

Deathstalker1985 wrote:
Well, the album is up for pre-order now, at the link below. I'm a fan of their music, but I have never given them a single dime of my money. I'm sure once orders go out, someone will upload the album to YouTube, just like Kohanic Charmers was...

http://weltenfeind.com/store

"The album features 9 new and hostile death metal hymns clocking in at roughly 50 minutes. Don't expect anything less than the habitual heavy-duty finger-picked bass lines, triumphant dueling guitars, hoarse vocals, and engrossing leitmotifs.

*Available from W.T.C. PRODUCTIONS (Germany) in Europe.

**Don't send emails asking when your order is being shipped. It goes out when it goes out."


YESSSSSSS!!!...Its almost time! Preordered and thank you for the heads up!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:49 am 
 

And so begins the apocalyspe...
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draconiondevil
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:16 am 
 

Racism is for posers
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LordOblivion
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:46 am 
 

draconiondevil wrote:
Racism is for posers


Riveting.

Anyone know the lineup for the new album?

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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:39 am 
 

Deathstalker1985 wrote:
This is from his personal bio on this site:

"He is an avid soccer fan and hooligan. He lived in Argentina from 1999 to 2000 and expressed his love of soccer hooliganism and violence during that time. He played in an amateur soccer club of metalheads called "Pesadillas Football Club" (Nightmare Football Club)."

So yeah, that makes sense lol


Dude plays in a band that sings about how black people are genetically inferior violent brutes, expresses his love for hooliganism and violence. I don't expect much introspection from a guy like this but damn.
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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:51 am 
 

Forever Underground wrote:
SanPeron wrote:
I should have said, "If he didn't move back". Since he is American, but always felt weird knowing that the same guy who thinks of life in terms of race and such could get along really well with South Americans and enjoy a pretty popular and working-class activity as playing a game with friends before a few beers. Maybe something happened after, I don't really know.

Working class doesn't exempt you from being racist, homophobic and misogynist, and especially the football world is very late in that kind of issues, sexist bigoted racist and xenophobic comments are very very very very common among football fans. Don't fool yourself, Gelal was already the same way he is now in Argentina, that's why he got interested in the holigaan world of football, because it's a very accessible place for people with his shitty mentality.


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I am not defending Gelal by any means but football culture in Argentina and South America in general is a little bit different than in Europe, is a lot more popular and "third-world" (I don't know how to put it in another way). The hooligans here are more like a gang, not really the type of guys that you think superior or tall, white, blonde, you know the nazi stereotype. It always seems weird to me that an actual white supremacist could get along with something that most racists would despise, you know.

To illustrate what I am saying, please at least see a few minutes of this "The Real Football Factories International" episode, you will understand why I think is weird that a white supremacist would like any of this.


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Forever Underground
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:45 am 
 

SanPeron wrote:
The hooligans here are more like a gang, not really the type of guys that you think superior or tall, white, blonde, you know the nazi stereotype. It always seems weird to me that an actual white supremacist could get along with something that most racists would despise, you know.

That's the point, the stereotype of the tall white blond male is the stereotype that the Nazis themselves have in their heads, in reality most Nazis don't live up to that stereotype and are uncomfortable with their own appearance.

I mean XD
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:00 pm 
 

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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:58 pm 
 

LordOblivion wrote:
draconiondevil wrote:
Racism is for posers


Riveting.

Anyone know the lineup for the new album?


If this site is currently accurate, the line-up should be:

Pogrom (Gelal) - Guitars

Holocausto (Nick Mertaugh) - Guitars

Einzelganger - Bass

Aktion T4 - Drums

Ulfhedinn - Vocals

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LordOblivion
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:23 pm 
 

Deathstalker1985 wrote:
LordOblivion wrote:
draconiondevil wrote:
Racism is for posers


Riveting.

Anyone know the lineup for the new album?


If this site is currently accurate, the line-up should be:

Pogrom (Gelal) - Guitars

Holocausto (Nick Mertaugh) - Guitars

Einzelganger - Bass

Aktion T4 - Drums

Ulfhedinn - Vocals


Yeah, I saw that...wasn't sure if that was still accurate or not. I remember reading the new album was recorded in Germany, so I was wondering if it was the Kohanic Charmers lineup with Unhold handeling vocals instead of Ulfhedinn?

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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:08 pm 
 

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Yeah, I saw that...wasn't sure if that was still accurate or not. I remember reading the new album was recorded in Germany, so I was wondering if it was the Kohanic Charmers lineup with Unhold handeling vocals instead of Ulfhedinn?


Well I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't think Unhold is doing vocals for this album. He sounds more like a black metal vocalist, so unless he changed up his usual vocal style, I don't think he would fit with Arghoslent. Also the guy that did vocals on Hornets of the Pogrom, left the band before it was even released, and Ulfhedinn has technically been their vocalist since 2007. I think it would be kinda disappointing in a way, if he didn't finally get to do vocals for a proper full length, after being in the band for so many years now. I'm sure we will find out soon enough.

edit: I noticed the album has now been added to this web site, and it has the same current line-up listed for it. I'm not sure if it's truly accurate though...

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LordOblivion
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:15 am 
 

Deathstalker1985 wrote:
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Yeah, I saw that...wasn't sure if that was still accurate or not. I remember reading the new album was recorded in Germany, so I was wondering if it was the Kohanic Charmers lineup with Unhold handeling vocals instead of Ulfhedinn?


Well I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't think Unhold is doing vocals for this album. He sounds more like a black metal vocalist, so unless he changed up his usual vocal style, I don't think he would fit with Arghoslent. Also the guy that did vocals on Hornets of the Pogrom, left the band before it was even released, and Ulfhedinn has technically been their vocalist since 2007. I think it would be kinda disappointing in a way, if he didn't finally get to do vocals for a proper full length, after being in the band for so many years now. I'm sure we will find out soon enough.

edit: I noticed the album has now been added to this web site, and it has the same current line-up listed for it. I'm not sure if it's truly accurate though...


I'm not sure either, but Unhold seems to have shoe-horned himself into GBK and Absurd, so who knows. Not that I mind, I like his vocal delivery, but I would prefer Ulfhedinn for sure.

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AJOG_62
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2023 12:40 am 
 

Ulfhedinn's vocals are super underrated imo, they work super well, and it'd be a shame to see another vocalist in his place. Idk if it'd be accurate to post the full album lineup at this time, unless the person who somehow got access to the time stamps of all the songs on the album also knew the album features the same lineup as the 2009 split, which I'd really love to know how they got that information. Also 50 minute album, hope it isn't as boring and drawn out as Galloping was

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LordOblivion
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:20 am 
 

Looks like the pre-orders are shipping...just got a notification and tracking#. Can't wait!

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kazhard
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Ship the damn package already!
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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:37 pm 
 

LordOblivion wrote:
Looks like the pre-orders are shipping...just got a notification and tracking#. Can't wait!


Thanks for the heads up on this. The album is still listed as a 'pre-order' on their site, they haven't updated it yet. I had been checking once a day. I give it until Monday, at latest, for when the album is on the internet to hear.

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democracyiscringe
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 6:39 pm 
 

So it's out.
What's with the production? It's ultra-compressed mud.
Most bland vocals they've had yet. The lyrics...? Who knows. You can't understand them by ear, and you can't read them.
Glad I didn't order this or give much of a shit about it.

I didn't like Kohanic Charmers a whole lot either. Turns out striking while the iron is hot probably makes more sense in metal than taking nearly 2 decade hiatuses.


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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 7:42 pm 
 

It's on YouTube now. I haven't gotten to listen to it yet. Hopefully later tonight.


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Disembodied
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:02 pm 
 

I went back and listened to a bit of Hornets because I don't remember Arghoslent sounding this... senile. 15 years on and the decline is unmistakable.

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democracyiscringe
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 8:55 pm 
 

Apparently it was just recorded in one of their houses, not a studio. That can work sometimes but that doesn't always mean an album has "DIY charm" or whatever, sometimes it can just sound bad and demo-llke.
I guess studios are for nerds, or something? That's still Gelal's schtick, right? Calling people nerds?

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MoonlitKnight
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:30 pm 
 

Wow, this sounds really half-assed. I guess Gelal is aware that he doesn't need to make an effort anymore, because racists will continue to buy his shit on preorder because they love supporting racist bands.

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Denial of Life
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:40 pm 
 

There’s a couple parts/songs on this one that remind of Galloping, probably the closest to ‘real’ death metal they’ve been in a while

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BleedingMoon
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:23 pm 
 

That right there is an.......interesting production choice.

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rarezuzuh
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 11:29 pm 
 

Nice to see they've still got it. By which I mean the ability to make music by and for brainless contemptible freaks.

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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:01 am 
 

I just got done with my first listen of this. The actual music itself sounds good enough to me, seems like it fits in fine with the rest of their discography. The production though is another story, I mean to be fair this band never did have the best sounding production on their previous stuff. But they definitely could've done a better job with it on this one. Is this really the same vocalist from that "Send Forth the Best Ye Breed" split? If it is, he sounded better on that. The 14 years from when that was released, and to this new album haven't seemed to age well for him.

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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 1:37 am 
 

I was also wondering if anyone here, that ordered this, has received their order yet? And if you have, were any lyrics provided with it, or is it the same deal like we got with Kohanic Charmers?

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democracyiscringe
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 3:47 am 
 

I heard there are no lyrics included. It's a Weltenfeind release, and for whatever reason (read: probably legal reasons) it's common practice for German labels/labels focused on the German market to not include any printed lyrics for releases like this.

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Slater922
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:41 am 
 

Just finished listening to it. Easily their worst album by a long shot. Guess that's what happens when you take this long to drop a new album ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 9:46 am 
 

Every time I attempt one of these "legendary" albums from giga racists I'm always a bit whelmed even if I do like it. Like Arghoslent have really good albums, but not a masterpiece to be found, nothing unforgettable. Starting to think maybe the other giga racists are just really persistent in overrating this shit lol.

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Forever Underground
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:03 am 
 

Gameofmetal wrote:
Starting to think maybe the other giga racists are just really persistent in overrating this shit lol.

It became clear to me the day I saw "Hipster Black Metal" claiming that Arghoslent was a better band than Bolt Thower.
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Forever Underground wrote:
Gameofmetal wrote:
Starting to think maybe the other giga racists are just really persistent in overrating this shit lol.

It became clear to me the day I saw "Hipster Black Metal" claiming that Arghoslent was a better band than Bolt Thower.

Anyone who unironically says Arghoslent is better than Bolt Thrower seriously needs their brain checked
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 08, 2023 2:29 pm 
 

Yeah, the album is not that great. Last 2 tracks are quite good but why do I have to shift through 7 duds to get there. Disappointing. Doesn't hold a candle to theirn2nd or 3rd record

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