I didn't know any of those two bands so I am listening to their stuff right now.





I get what you say, It is a heavy sound because is doom metal, so is heavy in weight, those riffs sound as obese as a whale. I like them, One genre a little similar to this stuff that I like is sludge metal. Someday I will make a thread of which albums we consider to be the heaviest among the heaviest. It would be an interesting thing to listen to what makes a heavy album for each forum member.

The band sings it like it's 3 words: "twin ale blood", so that may help. They've posted on Facebook a few times asking their fans what it means. One fan vaguely recalled it meaning nothing at all, but another recalled it meant something like blood brothers/a blood oath. So maybe it's about the strong connection to people they feel through making their music and/or drinking ale with them.

I thought it meant something like that as well, but in a romantic sense, like a soulmate. Haha I love made up words but it bugs me so much that I can't get to know the original meaning!

Which version of Roll the Fire by Conception do you prefer, the original 1993 or the 2018 remake?



The original sounds more potent as if Roy is desperate for comfort, whereas the latter sounds more sinister, as if he finally conquered his fears and is now in control, and the song serves more like a recant of the past. Instrumentally I prefer the remake, while I prefer Roy's vocals in the original. But both are pretty good, which isn't something I say too often when a band remakes a classic song of theirs.

Btw, have you guys heard the demo of the original? It has a nice acoustic solo that you may find interesting:

I'll go with the original.

I think there's a mistake on Cathedral's Carnival Bizarre. It says Tony Iommi does a guest solo on Utopian Blaster, but I don't hear him at all. I think his guest solo is on the final track Electric Grave. If you know his post 80s tone its unmistakable. Further supporting this he has a spoken word part in the track. It's the line "from the last nightmare" just as the song is ending.

I haven't been on this forum for very long so I apologize if this has been discussed to death but I was wondering what is the consensus on Amorphis post-Elegy albums here? Before, I was only interested in their first two albums but I had a great time with both Elegy and Tuonela and I'm thinking about digging further into their discography. So what is your favorite one and your general opinion on it?

While I wouldn't say anything Amorphis has done after that point has been great, most of what they've done since Eclipse has been very good, and they've become one of the more consistent bands in Metal today, if you ask me.

Is Mia Wallace her real name, or a randomly chosen stage name, or a stage name based on Uma Thurman's character in Pulp Fiction?

Well, the artist page you shared states that her first name is Michela. Mia Wallace is not a common name and Pulp Fiction is quite big. The best guess, imo, is that it's a reference to the character in the movie.

Is there any band that could be classified as "metal" without any subgenre type? (Heavy, black, thrash, etc.)

Despite being quite fond of Destruction, I've never been entirely sure how to pronounce Mike Sifringer's last name... Is it siff-ringer, siff-rinjer, sye-frinjer, etc?

Eclipse, Silent Waters, and Skyforger are often seen as a trilogy of albums. Why not start with those and keep going if you like what you hear?

I tend to not like any later day Amorphis because I find it to be really soulless and unchallenging non-music (the metalhead equivalent of putting on old Disney movies for background noise) but they're undeniably well regarded and their 2018 album was literally one point away from being AOTY in the poll here, so if you find yourself enjoying it then absolutely keep exploring because it sure seems like it works for a ton of people.

I've never understood the appeal of Amorphis at all, really - not bad music, but it's not really that heavy and while it's atmospheric, I never seem to really get what they're actually going for... the vocals never impressed me either and it never came off catchy. Sort of trying a little at a bunch of things but not really doing anything that grabbed me. I've tried stuff from all over their career and always had that same impression, so I dunno.

They are quite soulless. Professional in a negative way. Skyforger has some good songs for an occasional listen. Tied with Thousand Lakes and Elegy.

I agree with Land of 1000 Lakes.
Suomi has the most lakes of any country in the world i think.
Maybe a Fin can confirm

I think the appeal of Amorphis comes from the fact that their music is easy to listen to but they don't treat the listener like a brainless person, i.e. if you play their music to any listener of the most bubblegum music possible it will probably sound like Amorphis is challenging, but it's not something we nerds experience, so it's music that works when your intention is to listen to something purely for entertainment and it actually works. Also I don't think there are many other bands that compete with them in popularity that can fuse progressive music with folk and death metal with symphonic elements. For me they are masters of their own style, you either love them or you hate them, even that happens with Tales from the Thousand Lakes, an album that one would think at first as a classic that everybody likes and nothing else out of reality, it has a lot of haters, more than any average classic.

I do like plenty of understated, more subtle/sophisticated music, but something about the way they do it just never grips me, just slips through my fingers like smoke and they never really sound like they mean it - simply never seemed to leave an imprint. But clearly they seem to resonate quite well with some people, so who knows, mileage may vary etc.

Tales is a great DM album, one of my favs. But beyond that there are some great songs here and there but most of their stuff blurs together for me. Everything from The Beginning of Time and on sounds like the same album to me.

They've been one of my fav bands since "Elegy" was released in 1996. ("Tales" and the earlier stuff grew on me over time.)

For me, their appeal boils down to their unique ability to compose highly melodic, yet equally atmospheric, songs that skim the best components of multiple genres. I often liken them to Maiden (not in sound, but in execution): for being greater than the sum of their parts.

Many thanks for your inputs guys.



A perfect trilogy if there ever was one.

Which genre do you think Dying Fetus plays?

I ask this because I saw them being tagged as brutal death, but their music sounds nothing like Suffocation or Cryptopsy, is a lot more hardcore-oriented and a lot more groovy, I also can't say they are a tech death band because they don't sound anything like Necrophagist or Nile or bands of that kind. They play amazingly, but not in a wanky or over-the-top way, they ironically (for a band called Feto Moribundo) are quite tasteful with their sound.

I think they play a very personal style of death metal mixed with hardcore, one from the tough streets of Baltimore, Maryland, and if anything that The Wired series shows is true, that is a very fucked up and violent place.

depends on the album/track - take the opening track of wrong one to fuck with and you'll find plenty of suffocation as well as some necrophagisty stuff in there, along with a healthy dose of cannibal corpse

i think of them much like cc - straddling the line between brutal and "regular" death metal, sometimes hopping on one side or the other

How do you pronounce Dio? In my head it's always been the Italian way ("dee-o") but I've heard people saying it "dye-o".

It’s Dio (Dee-o). As far as I know.

I like Amorphis but I can see where the criticisms come from, and they have playing it very safe for the past decade or so. When I feel like listening to them I almost always go for Elegy, which has a slightly psychedelic/Floydian edge that gives it a lot of character. The clean vocals are an acquired taste, though.

They would by that fact be "classic heavy metal," as that genre is pretty much where the rest of it comes from.



That's how I've always heard it too.

It's only ever been "Dee-o". Anyone who says it the other way is just wrong.

At first I thought I might be arguing with you, since it's been beleived since that album came out that Tony played the "Utopian Blaster" solo as stated in the album insert, but you might be on to something here. The 'Electric Grave" solo sounds nothing like any of Gary jennings' solos. It's one of my favourite solo sections and I always marvelled at how taht instrumental part of the song was executed ever since first hearing it on the radio back in 95 or 96.

Someone should ask lee Dorian.

Iommi is definitely, definitely on 'Utopia Blaster' it's the guitar solo in the bit where it changes tempo (into 6/8, maybe?) and his guitar solo starts with a massive divebomb on the low E string, definitely not something Gaz Jennings ever did.

It definitely sound like it could be Iommi in that song too, and since it's stated pretty clearly.....well, yeah, you're probably right, and it is.
But do you think that's Gary on 'Electri Grave" then doing that awesome extended solo section?

I wanted to know if anybody knew the relation between Dying Fetus and Misery Index, they are both two death metal bands from Maryland, that share a lot of band members and sound really similar to each other.

I have a random question about why so many members here have 'their favorite other member quote' at the bottom of every comment?
Like in their 'signature'. Seems kinda weird but wtf do I know?

I have no clue. If I had to pick a guess, I'd say it's because the quote is either witty or on a whole another level of stupid. Sometimes, it doesn't really mean anything, like mine.

I feel strange saying this, like one of those weirdbrains who prefers soulside journey to later darkthrone, but Karelian Isthmus is by far my favorite Amorphis album. Great riffs and atmosphere from beginning to end, without anything fancy or ridiculous.

it's one of the only 3 amorphis albums i ever feel like listening to (the other two being lakes & elegy obviously) - i feel like it gets overlooked a lot

Same here ^^

I prefer Tales... by the way but Karelian is a close second.

Jason, the frontman for Misery Index, was a founding member of Dying Fetus who played on their first 3 albums. DF's drummer and rhythm guitarist at the time followed him to Misery Index while John rebuilt Dying Fetus with a new lineup.

Not sure about the story on why the departures happened, but I don't think there was bad blood or anything after that since they toured together in support of their next albums

Thanks man, I thought nobody would answer since is a really specific question. I really fell in love with Dying Fetus discography recently and to my surprise there was a Maryland band that sounded exactly like them, but a little bit more grindcore/hardcore, that they shared so many band members must be one of the reasons.

Other thing that caught my attention was that the lyrics of both bands are pretty similar, they have that working class energy that very few bands have, they sound like they are guys you could "walk the street" and I will always respect that.