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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:22 pm 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
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First Gorguts Album tbh, just kind of in the middle of all of Florida DM without committing to anything, not a bad album tho, same as that Resurrection album tbh, though that's pretty decent too


Weird that you decided to take a free jab at one of the most innovative and game changing bands in death metal just because their very first record was not as innovative as their later material. In 1991 there was basically no death metal scene in Québec, cut Lemay and the boys some slack ;)


Nah I agree with him. That first Gorguts album just isn't very good. No disrespect but it's not that exciting to me anyway.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:27 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
HeavenDuff wrote:
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First Gorguts Album tbh, just kind of in the middle of all of Florida DM without committing to anything, not a bad album tho, same as that Resurrection album tbh, though that's pretty decent too


Weird that you decided to take a free jab at one of the most innovative and game changing bands in death metal just because their very first record was not as innovative as their later material. In 1991 there was basically no death metal scene in Québec, cut Lemay and the boys some slack ;)


Nah I agree with him. That first Gorguts album just isn't very good. No disrespect but it's not that exciting to me anyway.


He is right in that it’s somewhat generic in that it follows an existing style, you’re wrong in that it isn’t very good. It’s very good. I think a lot of you are making generic a synonym for a negative adjective and that is incorrect.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:31 pm 
 

I just find it kind of boring, especially compared to the two after it. I tried playing it a while ago and couldn't make it through to the end. They just seemed to only be getting started with that one and improved a lot after it, I think.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:48 pm 
 

I'm going to ignore the fact that this thread is about generic bands, and not generic albums, and that the mere mention of Gorguts in this thread is a blasphemy, and I'm going to support cultofkraken on this. The first Gorguts album might not be breaking new grounds, but what it lacks in originality it makes up with great songwriting and riffing.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:44 pm 
 

Beating a dead horse, but Six Feet Under.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:21 pm 
 

DanielG06 wrote:
Beating a dead horse, but Six Feet Under.


Calling them generic is an insult to generic bands.

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greywanderer7
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:26 pm 
 

Brutality, Monstrosity, Malevolent Creation and all those Morrisound Studio death metal bands, as well as Grave, Unleashed and all those Sunlight Studio bands not called Entombed and Dismember.

The Darkthrone clones of the Finnish scene such as Horna are also generic as hell.

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Slater922
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:39 pm 
 

greywanderer7 wrote:
Brutality, Monstrosity, Malevolent Creation and all those Morrisound Studio death metal bands, as well as Grave, Unleashed and all those Sunlight Studio bands not called Entombed and Dismember.

The Darkthrone clones of the Finnish scene such as Horna are also generic as hell.

Except none of them are? :scratch:
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:35 am 
 

greywanderer7 wrote:
Brutality, Monstrosity, Malevolent Creation and all those Morrisound Studio death metal bands, as well as Grave, Unleashed and all those Sunlight Studio bands not called Entombed and Dismember.

The Darkthrone clones of the Finnish scene such as Horna are also generic as hell.


Monstrosity, especially after first two albums, mostly is instantly recognizable and one of the least generic Florida DM bands.

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Blood_Lust87
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:22 am 
 

I don't know if they've been mentioned yet but, Jinjer. Whether it's their radio rock stuff and their "heavy" stuff, easily one of the most generic and overrated bands around today. But for some fucking reason, besides the fact they have a female singer, they're the hottest thing since sliced bread. :durr:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:31 pm 
 

greywanderer7 wrote:
Brutality, Monstrosity, Malevolent Creation and all those Morrisound Studio death metal bands, as well as Grave, Unleashed and all those Sunlight Studio bands not called Entombed and Dismember.

The Darkthrone clones of the Finnish scene such as Horna are also generic as hell.

Horna generic band?

Maybe at beginning after Corvus join they became one of best band of last two decade…

Dark Funeral aren’t generic maybe are boring,sell out,noisecore but from first ep their style is recognizable and diverse from other band.
Too recognizable maybe but generic in my vocabulary mean the opposite…


Generic is an adjective that mean nothing and all,we can say Darkthrone are generic and isn’t a wrong phrase

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MitchVortex
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:17 am 
 

Blood_Lust87 wrote:
I don't know if they've been mentioned yet but, Jinjer. Whether it's their radio rock stuff and their "heavy" stuff, easily one of the most generic and overrated bands around today. But for some fucking reason, besides the fact they have a female singer, they're the hottest thing since sliced bread. :durr:


what "radio rock stuff"? HAHAHAHA

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MitchVortex
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:19 am 
 

Every semi-successful metal band from the last 25 years.

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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:31 pm 
 

The most generic band that I have heard is Primal Fear, but most of the power metal and traditional heavy metal scenes are copies of the bigger bands of those genres. Also, there was some point where there were thousands of metalcore bands that sounded exactly the same and always did the songs in almost a robotic way. That was making the heavy verse, then a melodic chorus, and ending the song with a breakdown.

But you could say that every metal genre has bands that don't add anything to the table and sound like a cheap version of the pioneers of those genres.

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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:41 pm 
 

SanPeron wrote:
The most generic band that I have heard is Primal Fear, but most of the power metal and traditional heavy metal scenes are copies of the bigger bands of those genres. Also, there was some point where there were thousands of metalcore bands that sounded exactly the same and always did the songs in almost a robotic way. That was making the heavy verse, then a melodic chorus, and ending the song with a breakdown.

But you could say that every metal genre has bands that don't add anything to the table and sound like a cheap version of the pioneers of those genres.


Yeah literally every genre, of any kind of music, is full of bands that sound exactly like the biggest names...
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rrev0
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 2:51 pm 
 

Pretty surprised at seeing someone call Horna a generic Darkthrone clone. Of the bigger names in black metal over the past 20 years, they're probably one of the most varied and interesting.

Bunch of bands come to mind when I think of this topic though. 1349, Vader, Dark Fortress, Enthroned, Vomitory. Definitely agree with some of that early 90's stuff like Grave, Monstrosity, and Malevolent Creation. I don't think any of these bands are particularly "bad", just what comes to mind when I think of "regular death metal" or "regular black metal".

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deadtome
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 7:54 pm 
 

Blood_Lust87 wrote:
I don't know if they've been mentioned yet but, Jinjer. Whether it's their radio rock stuff and their "heavy" stuff, easily one of the most generic and overrated bands around today. But for some fucking reason, besides the fact they have a female singer, they're the hottest thing since sliced bread. :durr:

You can say the same thing about that eco-metal shit too. What is that fucking bands name??? Goijira.

And I agree totally about Jinjer.

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Aldrahn333
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2023 11:17 pm 
 

greywanderer7 wrote:
Brutality, Monstrosity, Malevolent Creation and all those Morrisound Studio death metal bands, as well as Grave, Unleashed and all those Sunlight Studio bands not called Entombed and Dismember.

The Darkthrone clones of the Finnish scene such as Horna are also generic as hell.


"Retribution" feels generic eh? I would like very much if you could find me some albums that sound like it.. that generic.

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jose_G
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:10 am 
 

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deadtome
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 8:18 am 
 

jose_G wrote:
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Not sure about the other bands, but 1349 has been around since late 90's........I think they've earned their place but hey, I'm just me.

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SirianRune
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 12:13 pm 
 

Evertale seems to be a deliberate attempt to be the most perfectly generic power metal band imaginable, except for the quality level, which is astronomical. They're definitely a case of "do something ordinary extraordinarily well".

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Nocturnal_Evil
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:54 pm 
 

I'd say Nocturnal Rites and Majesty are both extremely generic. The latter is like a copy of a copy of Manowar.

Oh, and I agree with the Evertale analysis above me. Their debut is extremely good for what it is.

There's a difference between generic (which can be good) and painfully contrived "click-bait" metal-lite bands that only manage to really win over people who have little to no familiarity with the bulk of metal past the tip of the iceberg (see: Sleep Token, Jinjer, etc.).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2023 10:48 pm 
 

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The only Mortal Sin album I heard was "Face of Despair" which I owned; I never got to hear the one they did before that. "Face of Despair" was...well it was technically okay; good heavy thrash which I was into at the time, but just...very forgettable. It didn't seem to have the same "Grit" or intensity that struck me the way all of my favorite thrash bands did.


Face of Despair is solid.

The debut Mayhemic Destruction is a classic.


This! It's obviously VERY Metallic-inspired, but that doesn't stop it from being very, very good. (I haven't heard the other one).

I imagine being located all the way down in Australia didn't help their career any.


Huh. They had a drummer named Wayne Campbell. Party On, Wayne!

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2023 12:04 am 
 

Goatwhore is the most mid band in metal I can think of off the top of my head

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Auselesspileofflesh
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:22 am 
 

Metallica, yes they're the biggest band in metal and do have some classics but I think I'm just that over them in general.

I agree with people Dark Funeral, not a horrible band but just a very dulicated sound over a large discography.

Also, I do love me some Pantera but the whole groove, alternative, nu-metal and tough-guy metallic hardcore that they influenced is the absolute worst.

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Simfers
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:31 pm 
 

SirianRune wrote:
Evertale seems to be a deliberate attempt to be the most perfectly generic power metal band imaginable, except for the quality level, which is astronomical. They're definitely a case of "do something ordinary extraordinarily well".


That's really bang on, honestly. Your post got me to listen to them again, and that debut is some phenomenal stuff. Didn't get on as well with the follow-up, but it's still quite good! I really want a third album now.

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:35 pm 
 

Auselesspileofflesh wrote:
Metallica, yes they're the biggest band in metal and do have some classics but I think I'm just that over them in general.


Oh no! They brought back the thread where people confuse "bands they don't like" with "generic bands".

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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2023 5:38 pm 
 

You could accuse Metallica of multiple things, sell-outs, merchants, businessmen of music, wash-up dad rock, but generic? Not even close man. All their albums sound different from each other.

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You can pick a Metallica song at random, play 10 seconds of that track, and basically anyone who knows Metallica should be able to identify it's one of their songs. Metallica is one of the least generic bands there is, and that's across all musical genres, not just metal.

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SpongeBoobies
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Everyone seems to be forgetting Cannibal Corpse

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:43 am 
 

SpongeBoobies wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting Cannibal Corpse


That's because they are not generic.

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Grave after the demos and the debut album have just been so incredibly forgettable and uninteresting. Same with Malevolent Creation, it's so bland it's not even funny.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:07 pm 
 

Generic doesn't mean bad, tho. For example, Ragnarok is a pretty generic Norwegian black metal band, but their albums, especially Arising Realm are all pretty good.

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Auselesspileofflesh
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:13 pm 
 

Valid point on my Metallica callout to both Heavenduff and samperon. Still appreciate them but yeah more so don't go out of my way to listen.

So on the the generic line I'll say A Perfect Murder, generic tough guy groove metalcore
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:25 pm 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
SpongeBoobies wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting Cannibal Corpse


That's because they are not generic.

Now come on. They are the definition of generic death metal.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:39 pm 
 

rrev0 wrote:
Pretty surprised at seeing someone call Horna a generic Darkthrone clone. Of the bigger names in black metal over the past 20 years, they're probably one of the most varied and interesting.

Bunch of bands come to mind when I think of this topic though. 1349, Vader, Dark Fortress, Enthroned, Vomitory. Definitely agree with some of that early 90's stuff like Grave, Monstrosity, and Malevolent Creation. I don't think any of these bands are particularly "bad", just what comes to mind when I think of "regular death metal" or "regular black metal".


I have to agree with your choice of 1349, I've seen them open for other bands 4 or 5 times, and they're not that great. I disagree though with ENTHRONED, I love their stuff.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:59 am 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
HeavenDuff wrote:
SpongeBoobies wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting Cannibal Corpse


That's because they are not generic.

Now come on. They are the definition of generic death metal.


How? Because a million other bands have aped the sound they helped define?

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 11:38 am 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
HeavenDuff wrote:
SpongeBoobies wrote:
Everyone seems to be forgetting Cannibal Corpse


That's because they are not generic.

Now come on. They are the definition of generic death metal.


When you craft a sound that thousands of other bands eventually start to imitate, you're not generic. The other bands are. Would you call Incantation, Immolation or Death "generic bands"? It makes absolutely zero sense to even think of Cannibal Corpse as a generic death metal band.

Maybe if you argued that most of their recent output has been same-y over the last two decades, then maybe we could have a conversation. But no way you're going to convince me that the guys who released Eaten Back to Life in 90, Tomb of the Mutilated in 92 and The Bleeding in 94 are generic in any way shape or form. These guys were cutting edge, genre defining. Nothing about CC is generic.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:27 pm 
 

Gonna toss in Altaria, Axenstar. Fuck it, a bunch of power metal bands.
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