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Frozen218
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:26 am 
 

You're probably all pretty spot on with your lists, but it amazes me that we've gotten to a place where albums from bands like Enforcer and Cruciamentum are considered albums of the year. All I can say is that it's definitely not the 1980s, 1990s or even the early noughties anymore. Good luck to the kids fighting to resurrect the corpse of heavy metal as relevant youth culture.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:37 am 
 

Without derailing the thread into a protracted argument about whether or not metal is officially Old Man Music or not (because I genuinely do find that argument to be engaging), I do gotta say that walking into one of the last old school phpbb forums, on one of the last large websites that hasn't had any major facelift since the Middle Internet, dedicated to a style of music that was a cultural phenomenon four decades ago before spending the ensuing years proudly undeground, is a bit like walking into a casino and waying "wow dude this place is a den of temptation".

Look around dude, we've kinda embraced it at this point lol.
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Frozen218
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:53 am 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Without derailing the thread into a protracted argument about whether or not metal is officially Old Man Music or not (because I genuinely do find that argument to be engaging), I do gotta say that walking into one of the last old school phpbb forums, on one of the last large websites that hasn't had any major facelift since the Middle Internet, dedicated to a style of music that was a cultural phenomenon four decades ago before spending the ensuing years proudly undeground, is a bit like walking into a casino and waying "wow dude this place is a den of temptation".

Look around dude, we've kinda embraced it at this point lol.


Well said.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:58 am 
 

Ghost of Christmas Last wrote:
Fusing black metal with other genres produces some of the best albums out there, and the northern hemisphere is no stranger to this craft, but to my ears Dodheimsgard is not quite there yet. Maybe if they distil it further then they're on to something. Sampled the album just now - I could enjoy it once or twice but that's about it. The external elements often feel tacked on and the vocals are too much upfront even though they do want us to focus on the music and whatnot. They are definitely on to something, just wish they would meld the disparate elements more thoroughly.


Interesting, to me it sounds perfectly melded and synthesized together as if by alchemy almost. Just a seamless blend - that's what I like so much about it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:05 am 
 

Lupone wrote:
Does anyone keeps track of the previous winners over the years?

Last year Blind Guardian,two years ago Ruins of Beverast…

BastardHead have more info(I think)
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:01 pm 
 

Will wait till after Christmas to make it official but its unlikely to change:

1. Demoniac
2. Cryptopsy
3. Tsjuder
4. Obituary
5. Horrendous
6. Immortal
7. Conjureth
8. Devangelic
9. Aara
10. Turpitude (Someone release a damn thing on a CD please ffs)

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Durag
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:34 pm 
 

No idea how to rank a top 10 at the moment and i am way fucking behind on releases. I posed a bunch that I really liked back in August:

Thy Catafalque - Alfold
Dodheimsgard - Black Medium Current
Enslaved - Heimda
Cattle Decapitation - Terrasite
...And Oceans - As in Gardens, So in Tombs
Afsky - Om Hundrede Ar
Mork - Dypet
Non Est Deus - Legacy
Nattehimmel - Nattehimmel
GODFLESH - PURGE
FANGE - Privation
Downfall of Gaia - Silhouettes of Disgust
Pyramid Mass - Monolith
Sacred Outcry - Towers of Gold
Fen - Monuments to Absence
Krigsgrav - Fires in the Fall
Will Haven - VII

But I have not really kept up with new releases since (been on a Lankum and Irish folk binge, which some post industrial / noise / neofolk thrown in) so i need to go through my wishlist in bandcamp and take a good listen

Some albums I need to listen to more to consider:

Taake - Et Hav av Avstand
Insomnium - Anno 1696
Immortal - War Against All
Primordial - How it Ends
Wayfarer - American Gothic
Marduk - Memento Mori
Blut aus Nord - Disharmonium - Nahab
Sól án varma - Sól án varma
Thy Darkened Shade - Liber Lvcifer II: Mahapralaya
Panopticon - The Rime of Memory
Majesties - Vast Reaches Unclaimed
Urfaust - Untergard
Helleruin - Devils, Death and Dark Arts
Azaghal - Alttarimme on luista tehty
Godthrymm – Distortions
Tulus – Fandens Kall
Lamp of Murmuur - Saturnian Bloodstorm
Faidra - Militant:Penitent:Triumphant
Esoctrilihum - Astraal Constellations of the Majickal Zodiac

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KaiKasparek
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:30 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
Without derailing the thread into a protracted argument about whether or not metal is officially Old Man Music or not (because I genuinely do find that argument to be engaging), I do gotta say that walking into one of the last old school phpbb forums, on one of the last large websites that hasn't had any major facelift since the Middle Internet, dedicated to a style of music that was a cultural phenomenon four decades ago before spending the ensuing years proudly undeground, is a bit like walking into a casino and waying "wow dude this place is a den of temptation".

Look around dude, we've kinda embraced it at this point lol.



This would be a good point if I wasn't seeing an INCREASE in casinos and anti-gambling ads.

Remember when The Strokes hit it big with Is This It and there was a garage rock revival in the mainstream for a bit? Having that with trad metal/power metal is the only way metal is going to be saved.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:41 pm 
 

There's a wild amount of new traditional metal bands. This year has been the most I've heard in ages, as well as the most that were actually really first rate.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:51 pm 
 

I didn't say there weren't. I intimated that some crazy young Rod Smallwood needs to force them into the mainstream. and let's be real, those bands are more likely to appeal to normies than the Lamb Of God/Slipknot clones will.
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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:15 pm 
 

I think metal forgot to speak to the common man, to be something that people outside of the metal bubble gives a shit, metal has to be something that grabs the attention of the general audience, something that metal did quite a lot in the past with Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Pantera, etc. I loved it when metal spoke to the working class more than the audio hipster guy who explores things on the internet but is understandable given that we are in 2023 and not in 1993.
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SanPeron wrote:
I think metal forgot to speak to the common man, to be something that people outside of the metal bubble gives a shit, metal has to be something that grabs the attention of the general audience, something that metal did quite a lot in the past with Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Pantera, etc. I loved it when metal spoke to the working class more than the audio hipster guy who explores things on the internet but is understandable given that we are in 2023 and not in 1993.


Doesn't Napalm Death speak to the common man more than any of those bands you've listed, if you wanna intellectualize the hell out of this?

What if the common man also wants to just escape his gloomy reality via some swords and sorcery nerd shit and not pedantic Megadeth lyrics or Pantera's simplified stances?

What if the common man wants to be discerning with his tastes and cultivate some niche interests that his friends find weird?

All these common men exist. Who is this common man? Is the common man a monolith? Does the common man lack imagination enough to appreciate niche, sonically adventurous tones? Can't the common working class man also embody the traits of the "audio hipster guy"?

Just what the fuck are you talking about?
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Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
SanPeron wrote:
I think metal forgot to speak to the common man, to be something that people outside of the metal bubble gives a shit, metal has to be something that grabs the attention of the general audience, something that metal did quite a lot in the past with Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Pantera, etc. I loved it when metal spoke to the working class more than the audio hipster guy who explores things on the internet but is understandable given that we are in 2023 and not in 1993.


I'd say Napalm Death speaks to the common man more than any of those bands you've listed?

What if the common man also wants to just escape his gloomy reality via some swords and sorcery nerd shit and not pedantic Megadeth lyrics or Pantera's simplified stances?

What if the common man wants to be discerning with his tastes and cultivate some niche interests that his friends find weird?

All these common men exist. Who is this common man? Is the common man a monolith? Does the common man lack imagination enough to appreciate niche, sonically adventurous tones? Can't the common working class man also embody the traits of the "audio hipster guy"?

Just what the fuck are you talking about?


If I knew how to change it, I would be playing in a band. I think you know exactly what I was talking about given that you think something is off with the state of the genre. I don't think the common working man is a guy who spends a lot of time listening to atmospheric avant-garde black metal, I don't think metal was about that before either. You say here that you don't like Megadeth or Pantera, we clearly view metal from a very different point of view, if you are happy with the state of things right now, good for you, I wish I thought the same, I think I would enjoy these new bands a lot more.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:43 pm 
 

This thread got me to check out Hellripper. I remember checking them out years ago and not being super into it, but I dug the much cleaner production than what I remembered. That said, I found the first song to be more in the vein of what I like and was hoping that would continue throughout. The album has quite a bit of diversity, but the thrasher in me wanted a more straightforward record. Still a positive surprise though, so I'll keep spinning it.

Empyreal wrote:
There's a wild amount of new traditional metal bands. This year has been the most I've heard in ages, as well as the most that were actually really first rate.

Any chance you can hit me with a list (doesn't need to be bands that would be anywhere near your top 10). I love modern trad, but I feel like there were only a handful this year that really stood out to me. Definitely curious to see what I missed.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:01 pm 
 

KaiKasparek wrote:
I didn't say there weren't. I intimated that some crazy young Rod Smallwood needs to force them into the mainstream. and let's be real, those bands are more likely to appeal to normies than the Lamb Of God/Slipknot clones will.


Man, what's with the boner for mainstream success? There are loads of amazing metal releases every year. The genre is not dead, not dying, not even remotely threatened of dying any time soon. Who gives a shit if metal isn't mainstream? Especially now in 2023, where streaming is the norm in music listening habits. There is a boom in basically every music genre you can imagine, because of how easy it is to distribute music for bands and artists, and super easy to listen to for music listeners.

Man, the only thing that needs to die is this nonsense "Metal needs to be saved" and/or "Metal is dead" rhetoric, because there is basically nothing backing this idea.

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SanPeron wrote:
I think metal forgot to speak to the common man, to be something that people outside of the metal bubble gives a shit, metal has to be something that grabs the attention of the general audience, something that metal did quite a lot in the past with Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Pantera, etc. I loved it when metal spoke to the working class more than the audio hipster guy who explores things on the internet but is understandable given that we are in 2023 and not in 1993.


Doesn't Napalm Death speak to the common man more than any of those bands you've listed, if you wanna intellectualize the hell out of this?

What if the common man also wants to just escape his gloomy reality via some swords and sorcery nerd shit and not pedantic Megadeth lyrics or Pantera's simplified stances?

What if the common man wants to be discerning with his tastes and cultivate some niche interests that his friends find weird?

All these common men exist. Who is this common man? Is the common man a monolith? Does the common man lack imagination enough to appreciate niche, sonically adventurous tones? Can't the common working class man also embody the traits of the "audio hipster guy"?

Just what the fuck are you talking about?


I also agree with all of this. The "common man" doesn't exist. It's just a vague stereotype on which we can apply whatever characteristics we want that support a claim we're making.

Here in this context, we're kind of pushing forth the concept of broad appeal or mainstream appeal, as if it was the most important characteristic that music can have. I don't know about you guys, but I prefer metal as it is now, with more niche subgenres, more styles of music, more diversity, more options, and a vast sea of possibilities instead of having just a few options.

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Spiner202 wrote:
Any chance you can hit me with a list (doesn't need to be bands that would be anywhere near your top 10). I love modern trad, but I feel like there were only a handful this year that really stood out to me. Definitely curious to see what I missed.


Well I have pretty opposite taste with most people on new trad metal bands - not as into some of the highly-praised ones around here (Eternal Champion, the last Visigoth album, Enforcer, the second Sumerlands, etc), and it seems some of the ones I like such as Kerrigan have proved divisive here. That said this year had...

Kerrigan
Blood Star
Smoulder
Spirit Adrift
Wytch Hazel
Tanith
Triumpher
Gatekeeper - just trying this now, sounds cool

Plus new albums from some older bands that I guess I was also counting...

Cirith Ungol
Heavy Load
Sorcerer
Icarus Witch
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Empyreal wrote:
Spiner202 wrote:
Any chance you can hit me with a list (doesn't need to be bands that would be anywhere near your top 10). I love modern trad, but I feel like there were only a handful this year that really stood out to me. Definitely curious to see what I missed.


Well I have pretty opposite taste with most people on new trad metal bands - not as into some of the highly-praised ones around here (Eternal Champion, the last Visigoth album, Enforcer, the second Sumerlands, etc), and it seems some of the ones I like such as Kerrigan have proved divisive here. That said this year had...

Kerrigan
Blood Star
Smoulder
Spirit Adrift
Wytch Hazel
Tanith
Triumpher
Gatekeeper - just trying this now, sounds cool

Plus new albums from some older bands that I guess I was also counting...

Cirith Ungol
Heavy Load
Sorcerer
Icarus Witch

Thanks for the list! While I agree that my favourite trad bands are not the style you like, I find some of the other types of bands can still hit with me on the right occasion. Blood Star is the best example - easily the best trad album of the year to me, even if it's not as flashy as the stuff I love. I've heard some of these, but several of them are new to me, so I'll check them out!

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HeavenDuff wrote:
Man, what's with the boner for mainstream success? There are loads of amazing metal releases every year. The genre is not dead, not dying, not even remotely threatened of dying any time soon. Who gives a shit if metal isn't mainstream? Especially now in 2023, where streaming is the norm in music listening habits. There is a boom in basically every music genre you can imagine, because of how easy it is to distribute music for bands and artists, and super easy to listen to for music listeners.

Man, the only thing that needs to die is this nonsense "Metal needs to be saved" and/or "Metal is dead" rhetoric, because there is basically nothing backing this idea.


I don't know if the problem is the number of releases, I shake your hand, and you are right, there are more metal releases now and with more easy access than in the past. But be honest with yourself when was the last time you heard something like Cowboys from Hell, Reign in Blood, Left Hand Path, Painkiller, Master of Puppets or Ace of Spades. It's been a while man, a pretty long time ago. The last truly relevant stuff that happened in metal was nu metal and metalcore and those genres are frowned upon by large parts of the community, even in this forum. I don't want to see the musicians of our community playing in deadbeat clubs for pennies for the rest of their lives, there was a time when you could be a metal musician a live with the money you made out of music, I hope we can go back to that.
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Not gonna go look up sales figures, but I'm pretty sure Left Hand Path didn't make quit your day job money. There's been like three genres of varying authenticity that had brief stanzas of being stable mainstream successes for like 3-5 years at a time. Hell the two most profitable branches in hair and nu metal got there via being as much parts of the popular rock scenes of the day as any kind of metal, and those explosive rock successes they were album to absorb in are also things that had short shelf lifes. This golden age of success and prosperity was not as rock solid and dreamy as you're trying to sell it as.

Also culture changes, modern culture has zero goddamn chance of wanting a trad metal revival, that shit is lame as hell the the average zooming teen. You may as well be arguing that modern jazz ensembles need to regain mainstream relevance by trying to bring back vocal do wop groups.

Hell, the modern world is so decentralised that "the mainstream" as a concept is less relevant than ever. Sure there's bigger stuff and smaller stuff, but more listeners sort themselves into their niches than ever before thanks to the personalized playlist streams and so on. The notion that metal is going to find some kind of cross over hit thats going to get into the greater consciousness, particularly through a throwback priest worship track is absolutely laughable.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:31 pm 
 

Ghost getting to arena status with Alice Cooper throwbacks says otherwise. Your post is what's laughable.

SanPeron wrote:
I don't want to see the musicians of our community playing in deadbeat clubs for pennies for the rest of their lives, there was a time when you could be a metal musician a live with the money you made out of music, I hope we can go back to that.


Every letter of this. Metal did not reach the heights that it did being a hobby. It got there being a career. Lemmmy, Ozzy, Rob Halford, none of these people would have pursued music if it didn't mean a way out of the factory towns.
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lord_ghengis wrote:
Not gonna go look up sales figures, but I'm pretty sure Left Hand Path didn't make quit your day job money. There's been like three genres of varying authenticity that had brief stanzas of being stable mainstream successes for like 3-5 years at a time. Hell the two most profitable branches in hair and nu metal got there via being as much parts of the popular rock scenes of the day as any kind of metal, and those explosive rock successes they were album to absorb in are also things that had short shelf lifes. This golden age of success and prosperity was not as rock solid and dreamy as you're trying to sell it as.

Also culture changes, modern culture has zero goddamn chance of wanting a trad metal revival, that shit is lame as hell the the average zooming teen. You may as well be arguing that modern jazz ensembles need to regain mainstream relevance by trying to bring back vocal do wop groups.

Hell, the modern world is so decentralised that "the mainstream" as a concept is less relevant than ever. Sure there's bigger stuff and smaller stuff, but more listeners sort themselves into their niches than ever before thanks to the personalized playlist streams and so on. The notion that metal is going to find some kind of cross over hit thats going to get into the greater consciousness, particularly through a throwback priest worship track is absolutely laughable.


Spot on.

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KaiKasparek wrote:
Ghost getting to arena status with Alice Cooper throwbacks says otherwise. Your post is what's laughable.

SanPeron wrote:
I don't want to see the musicians of our community playing in deadbeat clubs for pennies for the rest of their lives, there was a time when you could be a metal musician a live with the money you made out of music, I hope we can go back to that.


Every letter of this. Metal did not reach the heights that it did being a hobby. It got there being a career. Lemmmy, Ozzy, Rob Halford, none of these people would have pursued music if it didn't mean a way out of the factory towns.


Yeah but Ghost is terrible, and most of the cool bands are unknowns. Bands know what they're getting into when they do this. I.e. a very rare chance of ever making big bucks. It's a passion thing for them. Not saying no bands should ever break big... just that many of the bands we like are good because they're doing 100% what they want.
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I'll only say that none of the best metal albums ever recorded were by big bands. The big mainstream metal bands were always the least interesting to me.

Also Ghost suck and aren't metal.

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Spiner202 wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
Spiner202 wrote:
Any chance you can hit me with a list (doesn't need to be bands that would be anywhere near your top 10). I love modern trad, but I feel like there were only a handful this year that really stood out to me. Definitely curious to see what I missed.


Well I have pretty opposite taste with most people on new trad metal bands - not as into some of the highly-praised ones around here (Eternal Champion, the last Visigoth album, Enforcer, the second Sumerlands, etc), and it seems some of the ones I like such as Kerrigan have proved divisive here. That said this year had...

Kerrigan
Blood Star
Smoulder
Spirit Adrift
Wytch Hazel
Tanith
Triumpher
Gatekeeper - just trying this now, sounds cool

Plus new albums from some older bands that I guess I was also counting...

Cirith Ungol
Heavy Load
Sorcerer
Icarus Witch

Thanks for the list! While I agree that my favourite trad bands are not the style you like, I find some of the other types of bands can still hit with me on the right occasion. Blood Star is the best example - easily the best trad album of the year to me, even if it's not as flashy as the stuff I love. I've heard some of these, but several of them are new to me, so I'll check them out!


Yeah Blood Star knocked it out of the park this year (and lots of others in Empyreal's list are definitely worth checking out). If you're looking for more in the trad heavy metal sub-genre I'd also add these:

Tower Hill - Deathstalker
Tailgunner - Guns for Hire
Savage - Glory Riders (might not be what you're looking for but if you like WASP you'll probably like this)

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Kinda disappointed by the lack of doom this year, or maybe I just wasn't looking in the right places. If anyone has recs please share :) (my actual most listened this year were Shape of Despair, Mourning Beloveth, Immensity, etc)

1. Aprilmist - Homesick (81%)
2. Enisum - Forgotten Mountains (74%)
3= Voidhaven - Lithic (88%)
3= This White Mountain - Icons of the Melancholy (84%)
5. October Tide - The Cancer Pledge (84%)
6. Austere - Corrosion of Hearts (80%)
7. Hinayana - Shatter and Fall (83%)
8. None - Inevitable (89%)
9. Soulless - The Supreme Resurgence (80%)
10. Morwinyon - Wastelands (77%)

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:24 pm 
 

Lee Harrison wrote:
New Dodheimsgard is great but isn’t a metal album….

If were to win we have to change the name The Metal Archives in The Experimental Archives(never forget that Ruin of Beverast won poll time ago)


It's as Norwegian BM as it gets. Absolutely no question. And The Ruins of Beverast are completely metal?! :scratch: confusing post indeed...

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Fusing black metal with other genres produces some of the best albums out there, and the northern hemisphere is no stranger to this craft, but to my ears Dodheimsgard is not quite there yet. Maybe if they distil it further then they're on to something. Sampled the album just now - I could enjoy it once or twice but that's about it. The external elements often feel tacked on and the vocals are too much upfront even though they do want us to focus on the music and whatnot. They are definitely on to something, just wish they would meld the disparate elements more thoroughly.


Interesting, to me it sounds perfectly melded and synthesized together as if by alchemy almost. Just a seamless blend - that's what I like so much about it.


100% with Emp on this one. We are hearing different albums perhaps? With this album they have distilled it further to brew something a little more linear, seamless and melded together so perfectly that it come across as one whole entity, rather than a collection of songs on the same album. The vocals themselves are just one of the many highlights throughout... but personal opinion is just that eh?

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Yes. I am truly hoping that this magnum opus will claim the number one spot by a wide margin, as it's an all encompassing experience that leaves me speechless with every listen.

A win is a win, why would you want to rub it in with a massive margin?


See above :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:48 pm 
 

CrushedRevelation wrote:
Lee Harrison wrote:
New Dodheimsgard is great but isn’t a metal album….

If were to win we have to change the name The Metal Archives in The Experimental Archives(never forget that Ruin of Beverast won poll time ago)


It's as Norwegian BM as it gets. Absolutely no question. And The Ruins of Beverast are completely metal?! :scratch: confusing post indeed...

Yeah this confuses me to. I re-listened to Black Medium Current the other day, and it's filled with metal riffs in every main song. I guess Interstellar Nexus downplays the metal riffing, but how can you listen to songs like Det Tomme Kalde Mørket and not think it's metal. The riffs are clearly rooted in 2nd wave black metal, as you said.

Also the only negative things about this album is I think the song Abyss Perihelion Transit is somewhat weak compared to the rest. Every other song is so evocative and beautiful, but this one sort of comes and goes. That aside I think this album is 10/10 easily, probably the best album I've listened to in a decade.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:52 pm 
 

Jumping in for the Trad album suggestions. I also loved Kerrigan and Blood Star but I'm now more and more inclined to include these in my list :

Century - The Conquest Of Time
Silverbones - Brethren of the Coast

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:59 pm 
 

Raven_Augustus wrote:
CrushedRevelation wrote:
Lee Harrison wrote:
New Dodheimsgard is great but isn’t a metal album….

If were to win we have to change the name The Metal Archives in The Experimental Archives(never forget that Ruin of Beverast won poll time ago)


It's as Norwegian BM as it gets. Absolutely no question. And The Ruins of Beverast are completely metal?! :scratch: confusing post indeed...

Yeah this confuses me to. I re-listened to Black Medium Current the other day, and it's filled with metal riffs in every main song. I guess Interstellar Nexus downplays the metal riffing, but how can you listen to songs like Det Tomme Kalde Mørket and not think it's metal. The riffs are clearly rooted in 2nd wave black metal, as you said.

Also the only negative things about this album is I think the song Abyss Perihelion Transit is somewhat weak compared to the rest. Every other song is so evocative and beautiful, but this one sort of comes and goes. That aside I think this album is 10/10 easily, probably the best album I've listened to in a decade.

Was ironic,anyway Slipknot have more riffs than both last Dodheimsgard and Ruins of Beverast …
Dodheimsgard first album it’s a black metal later became experimental,jazz,proggy,etc (I like them but…)
Not ironic…

I’m a common and simple guy…
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:06 pm 
 

Lee Harrison wrote:
Was ironic,anyway Slipknot have more riffs than both last Dodheimsgard and Ruins of Beverast
Dodheimsgard first album it’s a black metal later became experimental,jazz,proggy,etc (I like them but…)
Not ironic…

I’m a common and simple guy…


Is this deliberately inflammatory?! :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:16 pm 
 

SanPeron wrote:
I don't think the common working man is a guy who spends a lot of time listening to atmospheric avant-garde black metal


Lee Harrison wrote:
Dodheimsgard first album it’s a black metal later became experimental,jazz,proggy,etc (I like them but…)
Not ironic…

I’m a common and simple guy…


:lol:

Lee Harrison's comedic timing is SO underrated!

And in other funnies, SanPeron stays calling out users of this board for hating on nu metal and metalcore while failing to recognize his own disdain for atmospheric avant-garde black metal and all the other "audio hipster guy" styles that don't fill arenas...and somehow manages to claim that metal hasn't made any great stylistic leaps forward and is therefore dying. :-D
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:33 pm 
 

lol at this entire page devolving into the exact argument I hoped it wouldn't. C'est la vie I suppose.

Lupone wrote:
Does anyone keeps track of the previous winners over the years?


I can actually give you all the previous charts:

2022
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  1. Blind Guardian - The God Machine: 7-3-8-4-5-3-3-2-1-3 = 502pts
  2. Immolation - Acts of God: 6-5-6-5-5-3-4-1-3-2 = 500pts
  3. Negative Plane - The Pact....: 6-6-2-0-4-3-9-0-4-3 = 417pts
  4. Sumerlands - Dreamkiller: 8-5-1-2-3-2-1-0-6-2 = 395pts
  5. Voivod - Synchro Anarchy: 4-10-2-2-1-1-1-2-3-0 = 372pts
  6. White Ward - False Light: 5-4-3-2-4-3-1-4-1-1 = 355pts
  7. Sigh - Shiki: 5-4-4-3-1-4-2-0-1-2 = 351pts
  8. Blut Aus Nord - Disharmonium - Undreamable Abysses: 3-2-3-6-3-0-2-4-3-7 = 299pts
  9. Messa - Close: 3-5-2-4-1-3-2-0-0-4 = 293pts
  10. Autonoesis - Moon of Foul Magics: 4-2-4-2-4-2-2-0-0-1 = 289pts


2021
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  1. The Ruins Of Beverast - The Thule Grimoires: 416pts
  2. Spectral Wound - A Diabolic Thirst: 390pts
  3. Iron Maiden - Senjutsu: 388pts
  4. Stormkeep - Tales of Othertime: 336pts
  5. Hooded Menace - The Tritonous Bell:330pts
  6. Carcass - Torn Arteries: 315pts
  7. Helloween - Helloween: 302pts
  8. Archspire - Bleed the Future: 284pts
  9. Pharaoh - The Powers That Be: 272pts
  10. Suffering Hour - The Cyclic Reckoning: 243pts


2020
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  1. Ulcerate - Stare Into Death and Be Still: 526pts
  2. Havukruunu - Uinuos syömein sota: 473pts
  3. Eternal Champion - Ravening Iron: 437pts
  4. Wytch Hazel - III: Pentecost: 381pts
  5. Oranssi Pazuzu - Mestarin Kynsi: 220pts
  6. Akhlys - Melinoë: 209pts
  7. Unleash the Archers - Abyss: 197pts
  8. Paradise Lost - Obsidian: 190pts
  9. Cirith Ungol – Forever Black: 178pts
  10. Vader - Solitude in Madness: 177pts


2019
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  1. Blood Incantation – Hidden History of the Human Race: 525pts
  2. Idle Hands – Mana: 333pts
  3. Atlantean Kodex – The Course of Empire: 270pts
  4. Misþyrming – Algleymi: 229pts
  5. Obsequiae – The Palms of Sorrowed Kings: 228pts
  6. Traveler – Traveler: 227pts
  7. Crypt Sermon – The Ruins of Fading Light: 214pts
  8. Deathspell Omega – The Furnaces of Palingenesia: 203pts
  9. Tomb Mold – Planetary Clairvoyance: 172pts
  10. Cult of Luna – A Dawn to Fear: 170pts


2018
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  1. Visigoth – Conqueror's Oath = 293pts
  2. Amorphis – Queen of Time = 292pts
  3. Solstice – White Horse Hill = 245pts
  4. Satan – Cruel Magic = 244pts
  5. Voivod – The Wake = 243pts
  6. Varathron – Patriarchs of Evil = 214pts
  7. Primordial – Exile Amongst the Ruins = 191pts
  8. Judas Priest – Firepower = 179pts
  9. Horrendous – Idol = 168pts
  10. Chapel of Disease - …and as We Have Seen the Storm... = 163pts


2017
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  1. Power Trip - Nightmare Logic = 368pts
  2. Immolation - Atonement = 258pts
  3. The Ruins of Beverast - Exuvia = 249pts
  4. Satan's Hallow - Satan's Hallow = 222pts
  5. Spectral Voice - Eroded Corridors of Unbeing = 196pts
  6. Bell Witch - Mirror Reaper = 165pts
  7. Elder - Reflections of a Falling World = 164pts
  8. Nokturnal Mortum - Verity = 160pts
  9. Malokarpatan - Nordkarpatenland = 159pts
  10. Dying Fetus - Wrong One to Fuck With = 158pts


2016
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  1. Vektor - Terminal Redux = 411pts
  2. Deathspell Omega - The Synarchy of Molten Bones = 231pts
  3. Blood Incantation - Starspawn = 230pts
  4. Avantasia - Ghostlights = 201pts
  5. Sumerlands - Sumerlands = 197pts
  6. Eternal Champion - The Armor of Ire = 157pts
  7. Ulcerate - Shrines of Paralysis = 137pts
  8. Mithras - On Strange Loops = 137pts
  9. Moonsorrow - Jumalten Aika = 132pts
  10. Inquisition - Bloodshed Across the Empyrean Altar Beyond the Celestial Zenith = 130pts


EDIT: lol the spoilers won't open for whatever reason but I'm far too lazy to troubleshoot why. Plus the links to the threads themselves work so whatever, quote this post if you're super curious.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:43 pm 
 

Yeah, the spoilers didn't work for me, either, but the links did. That's a cool little trip down memory lane. Lots of amazing albums every single year.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:44 pm 
 

Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
Lee Harrison's comedic timing is SO underrated!

And in other funnies, SanPeron stays calling out users of this board for hating on nu metal and metalcore while failing to recognize his own disdain for atmospheric avant-garde black metal and all the other "audio hipster guy" styles that don't fill arenas...and somehow manages to claim that metal hasn't made any great stylistic leaps forward and is therefore dying. :-D


I will quote my friend Lee Harrison for this :lol:

Lee Harrison wrote:
Was ironic,anyway Slipknot have more riffs than both last Dodheimsgard and Ruins of Beverast …
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:04 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
EDIT: lol the spoilers won't open for whatever reason but I'm far too lazy to troubleshoot why.

2022 is working. To fix them just put closing bold tags before the spoilers and start new bold tags inside the spoiler like you've got for 2022.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 10:09 pm 
 

kycitaenj wrote:
Kinda disappointed by the lack of doom this year, or maybe I just wasn't looking in the right places. If anyone has recs please share :) (my actual most listened this year were Shape of Despair, Mourning Beloveth, Immensity, etc)

1. Aprilmist - Homesick (81%)
2. Enisum - Forgotten Mountains (74%)
3= Voidhaven - Lithic (88%)
3= This White Mountain - Icons of the Melancholy (84%)
5. October Tide - The Cancer Pledge (84%)
6. Austere - Corrosion of Hearts (80%)
7. Hinayana - Shatter and Fall (83%)
8. None - Inevitable (89%)
9. Soulless - The Supreme Resurgence (80%)
10. Morwinyon - Wastelands (77%)

I haven't listened to much doom this year either, but I can recommend The Evil - Seven Acts To Apocalypse, with Sarcofago's famous Wagner Antichrist on guitars, pretty good album.
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Lee Harrison wrote:
Was ironic,anyway Slipknot have more riffs than both last Dodheimsgard and Ruins of Beverast …
Dodheimsgard first album it’s a black metal later became experimental,jazz,proggy,etc (I like them but…)
Not ironic…

I’m a common and simple guy…


:lol: I fucking like this guy.

CrushedRevelation wrote:
Lee Harrison wrote:
New Dodheimsgard is great but isn’t a metal album….

If were to win we have to change the name The Metal Archives in The Experimental Archives(never forget that Ruin of Beverast won poll time ago)


It's as Norwegian BM as it gets. Absolutely no question. And The Ruins of Beverast are completely metal?! :scratch: confusing post indeed...

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Ghost of Christmas Last wrote:
Fusing black metal with other genres produces some of the best albums out there, and the northern hemisphere is no stranger to this craft, but to my ears Dodheimsgard is not quite there yet. Maybe if they distil it further then they're on to something. Sampled the album just now - I could enjoy it once or twice but that's about it. The external elements often feel tacked on and the vocals are too much upfront even though they do want us to focus on the music and whatnot. They are definitely on to something, just wish they would meld the disparate elements more thoroughly.


Interesting, to me it sounds perfectly melded and synthesized together as if by alchemy almost. Just a seamless blend - that's what I like so much about it.


100% with Emp on this one. We are hearing different albums perhaps? With this album they have distilled it further to brew something a little more linear, seamless and melded together so perfectly that it come across as one whole entity, rather than a collection of songs on the same album. The vocals themselves are just one of the many highlights throughout... but personal opinion is just that eh?


Yeah - 666 International, while an entertaining work, really did feel like the harsh metal was just haphazardly thrown in with weird jazz sections and shit. The change and evolution up to this new album is so clear and they are doing great things.
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Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
SanPeron wrote:
I don't think the common working man is a guy who spends a lot of time listening to atmospheric avant-garde black metal

:lol:

Lee Harrison's comedic timing is SO underrated!

And in other funnies, SanPeron stays calling out users of this board for hating on nu metal and metalcore while failing to recognize his own disdain for atmospheric avant-garde black metal and all the other "audio hipster guy" styles that don't fill arenas...and somehow manages to claim that metal hasn't made any great stylistic leaps forward and is therefore dying. :-D


Guy is all over the place in his criticism. Criticising Autopsy for not progressing while in another thread criticising bands like Nithing for progressing too much. Seriously pick a lane.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:00 pm 
 

cultofkraken wrote:
Guy is all over the place in his criticism. Criticising Autopsy for not progressing while in another thread criticising bands like Nithing for progressing too much. Seriously pick a lane.


That Autopsy album is just boring, I tried it a couple more times, but it isn't my thing, and Nithing is kind of a meme band man, he is possibly the most chaotic and noisiest one-man band in existence, and that has to be worth something at least.
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SanPeron wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
Guy is all over the place in his criticism. Criticising Autopsy for not progressing while in another thread criticising bands like Nithing for progressing too much. Seriously pick a lane.


That Autopsy album is just boring, I tried it a couple more times, but it isn't my thing, and Nithing is kind of a meme band man, he is possibly the most chaotic and noisiest one-man band in existence, and that has to be worth something at least.


Guy we can all read what you wrote. You literally said “death metal has progressed past Autopsy” in that thread, then simultaneously in the other you bemoaned the progression of current bands. Like we can literally see what you said…. Your arguments are contradictory which is why we continue to scratch our heads when you tippity tap your opinions onto this forum.
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