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Smalley
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:52 pm 
 

inhumanist wrote:
What's so extreme about Venom's music? Apart from production, lyrics and vocals that is.

That... isn't enough?
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lord_ghengis
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:17 am 
 

I'm assuming he'd suggest riffing and actual musical intensity.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:30 am 
 

I love Bathory more than Venom, but Venom is definitely the more influential band.

I also think Napalm Death should have been on there over say, Enslaved or Carcass. Especially since Napalm Death has a bit more universal appeal (emphasis on a bit).

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:05 am 
 

Carcass at least is arguable over ND.

ND started grind, but Carcass kickstarted goregrind (which, for better or worse, is a fully developed thing that can't solely be lumped under traditional grindcore) and had a fair bit more bleed back into trad grind and DM than ND had to goregrind. Plus the whole melodeath thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:51 am 
 

Melodeath should be a black mark on any bands list of influences.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:06 am 
 

Eh, despite its nods to traditional metal, mid-period Kreator, etc, I don't think that Carcass really had anything to do with the Gothenberg and soundalike bands.

And I already answered the question about venom and their greater musical intensity when compared with, say, Motorhead.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:33 am 
 

I think its nice that Dunn wants to do all his stuff, but he's not really the one to do it.

He comes off as one that never scraped much out of metal. The first thing I saw from him was his power metal episode, and damn, it seems nearly impossible to me that a guy with preferences like him (90% sure he's one that listens to clean vocals mostly, except the high skimming bands like he listed here) hadn't heard of power metal. He's been out of the scene too long, and was never really in it as far as I can tell.

That, and I want at least one thing relating to metal history or whatever bringing up doom/stoner/sludge. If they do bring it up, its usually thrown in with extreme metal, which I've never been sure about. I never really thought that doom fit into extreme, but a lot of people seem to disagree.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:03 am 
 

The gothenburg sound was already developing, at least Dark Tranquillity was around before Heartwork was released. Now, that album helped to spawn the worst aspect of the melodic death metal, just like Slaughter of the Soul did a bit later.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:35 pm 
 

If more melodeath sounded like Heartwork it wouldn't be such a lame genre most of the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:06 pm 
 

Zero_Nowhere wrote:
Carcass at least is arguable over ND.

ND started grind, but Carcass kickstarted goregrind (which, for better or worse, is a fully developed thing that can't solely be lumped under traditional grindcore) and had a fair bit more bleed back into trad grind and DM than ND had to goregrind. Plus the whole melodeath thing.


Well technically Repulsion started grind (and goregrind for that matter). But because of the punk-runk infusion of social issues, as well as their changing of styles throughout the years Napalm Death should get the nod over Carcass. If this list was expanded to 10 I would totally put Carcass on a list of most influential but with just 5?

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