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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
WindMillSaw wrote: Can someone give me an example of Depressive Suicidal Doom Metal, if such thing can exist? I'm looking for something so heart-breaking that even A.Morbid would cry and this genre just HAS TO exist. Seems like more of a recommendation request than a genre question, but I'd guess you're looking for DSBM/funeral doom? Something like Nortt, or maybe Ethereal Shroud? Take a look around the "similar artists" from the former and you'll probably find what you're looking for |
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| Author: | narsilianshard [ Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
Spawned by a recent post, can someone explain to me why Moonsorrow is not considered Viking Metal? I don't consider Viking Metal a legit genre, but those that do tell me it's basically Epic Black Metal + Folk Influence + Viking/Norse Lyrics. In my mind that perfectly describes Moonsorrow. I know I shouldn't treat MA genre classifications as law--and I don't--but hey, I'm curious. |
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
I *do* consider them Viking. From my understanding they don't have the traditional lyrics which is what makes me see them as the perfect example of it being a semi "legit" genre, since musically, yeah I think they fit the description I base the term off. |
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
But by that note, my Viking definition is black/folk + power/heavy, I'm pretty sure MA don't use Viking at all though? |
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| Author: | Purabid [ Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
MA uses viking on many bands. Bathory, Enslaved, Borknagar, Windir, Vintersorg, Thyrfing to name a few. |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
narsilianshard wrote: Spawned by a recent post, can someone explain to me why Moonsorrow is not considered Viking Metal? I don't consider Viking Metal a legit genre, but those that do tell me it's basically Epic Black Metal + Folk Influence + Viking/Norse Lyrics. In my mind that perfectly describes Moonsorrow. I know I shouldn't treat MA genre classifications as law--and I don't--but hey, I'm curious. I don't know the band very well, but pagan/viking metal can be kind of redundant/vague/overlapping, the band considers themselves pagan metal, and there's already three genres there. Just a guess, I wouldn't want to talk about pagan viking black folk the wrong way. |
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| Author: | Southern Freeze [ Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:08 am ] |
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Cascadian bm can only be from cascadia right? or can it be cascadian bm if it has that 'cascadian' sound? |
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| Author: | Purabid [ Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:27 am ] |
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I guess it's a specific sound. Probably black metal with post-rock and lyrics concerning environmental issues. But I'm not sure though. I only know Wolves in the Throne Room and Skagos but I don't really like them much. |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:43 pm ] |
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I'd call it more of a vague sound than a specific sound, but I don't think anyone has ever been confused by calling something Gothenburg style, Norwegian style, or Cascadian style, regardless of where they're from. |
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:58 am ] |
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Yeah cascadian has enough of noticible sound that I'm happy enough to use it as a synonym big gay nature post black. On the Viking topic, I find it interesting that pagan came up, to me Viking is FAR better defined musically than pagan, which as far as I'm concerned is just vaguely woodsy atmoblack which isn't folky enough to be folk/black. |
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| Author: | tomcat_ha [ Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
the difference between folk/black and viking metal to me generally is how the folk elements are integrated. Pagan metal is something that often is just viking metal with more black metal and less norse lyrics. |
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| Author: | Southern Freeze [ Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:08 pm ] |
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lord_ghengis wrote: Yeah cascadian has enough of noticible sound that I'm happy enough to use it as a synonym big gay nature post black. gay? |
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| Author: | turtleguy [ Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:10 pm ] |
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is there such thing as nu black metal? |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:33 pm ] |
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turtleguy wrote: is there such thing as nu black metal? As much as early Slipknot is death metal. |
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| Author: | Nui el Emperador [ Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
Is Cyber Metal a real genre? I know that exist the tags Electronic/Industrial Metal as a way to describe that groups who use electronic elements with metal riffs, but... Cyber Metal? Is it a serious term or just another vague term that people to use to be cooler? For example, Neurotech. In M.A this band from Slovenia is "Symphonic Industrial Metal", of course with that, but then, in the summary of comments about the group we can see perfectly "Considered a pioneer of the Cyber Metal genre". Then, what´s the point? |
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| Author: | Yayattasa [ Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
I think when people say cyber they are usually narrowing down the industrial elements to EBM, aggrotech and electro-industrial. Though in a grind context, i.e. cybergrind, it's completely different territory. |
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| Author: | opethfan [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:40 pm ] |
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What about Doomgaze? I think some Jesu albums are a good example of it but i can't find anything similar |
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| Author: | __MULLIGANACEOUS__ [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:34 pm ] |
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| Author: | Purabid [ Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:11 pm ] |
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opethfan wrote: What about Doomgaze? I think some Jesu albums are a good example of it but i can't find anything similar This Will Destroy You probably coined the term. Nadja also plays drone with shoegaze even though they might not have a similar sound to Jesu. The term gloomgaze has also been used to describe bands like Nadja and The Angelic Process. True Widow calls there music stonegaze. Bands like King Woman and Mother Witch & Dead Water Ghosts have also been described as stonegaze. Its basically what the name suggests. Shoegaze bands are incorporating doom metal influences in their sound especially after the explosion of psychedelic doom metal. Its far from being a genre. Most of the bands that gets labeled as doomgaze or whatever are not even metal. But it may become more significant in the future who knows? |
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| Author: | tomcat_ha [ Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:18 pm ] |
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I doubt it, the shoegaze hype in the metal underground already seems well past its prime. |
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| Author: | The Red Snifit [ Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:18 am ] |
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Nui el Emperador wrote: Is Cyber Metal a real genre? I know that exist the tags Electronic/Industrial Metal as a way to describe that groups who use electronic elements with metal riffs, but... Cyber Metal? Is it a serious term or just another vague term that people to use to be cooler? For example, Neurotech. In M.A this band from Slovenia is "Symphonic Industrial Metal", of course with that, but then, in the summary of comments about the group we can see perfectly "Considered a pioneer of the Cyber Metal genre". Then, what´s the point? Yayattasa wrote: I think when people say cyber they are usually narrowing down the industrial elements to EBM, aggrotech and electro-industrial. Though in a grind context, i.e. cybergrind, it's completely different territory. My understanding is that Cyber Metal lacks the dance/groove elements found in standard industrial metal. Compare Fear Factory to Ministry. |
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| Author: | Diamhea [ Thu Oct 22, 2015 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
No, it isn't that. See my earlier post. |
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| Author: | Purabid [ Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
What is downtempo deathcore? |
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| Author: | MutantClannfear [ Mon Nov 02, 2015 5:45 pm ] |
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I've never heard the term, but it's probably used to describe really dumb, slow deathcore that flirts with beatdown hardcore a lot. Stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3x_fXxyA6U |
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| Author: | ShaolinLambKiller [ Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:14 pm ] |
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Mutant pretty much has it on the head. just imagine all the terrible breakdowns from your generic deathcore bands and just slow it down more. I have heard the term. it was taken from myspace when for genres you could list for your band. it was just on there when you are trying to use doom which they didn't have. |
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| Author: | Helvede [ Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:07 pm ] |
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ShaolinLambKiller wrote: Mutant pretty much has it on the head. just imagine all the terrible breakdowns from your generic deathcore bands and just slow it down more. I have heard the term. it was taken from myspace when for genres you could list for your band. it was just on there when you are trying to use doom which they didn't have. I belive that's how the term black metal/ambient was invented too. |
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| Author: | teh_Foxx0rz [ Mon Nov 09, 2015 2:37 pm ] |
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lord_ghengis wrote: On the Viking topic, I find it interesting that pagan came up, to me Viking is FAR better defined musically than pagan, which as far as I'm concerned is just vaguely woodsy atmoblack which isn't folky enough to be folk/black. My understanding of "pagan metal" is folk metal which has a lot of black metal influence, but as you say not enough to be defined as black metal; and not necessarily atmospheric or anything - things like (that Russian) Arkona or Butterfly Temple; possibly Cruachan too where they don't have that female singer (though I'm not particularly familiar with the stuff which doesn't). |
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:20 pm ] |
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Guess I'm more familiar with it getting applied to stuff like Wodensthrone, which to me never stood out as particularly outright folky. |
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| Author: | Back Stabbath [ Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:02 am ] |
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lord_ghengis wrote: I'm happy enough to use it as a synonym big gay nature post black. Bwahahahaha!!! Absolute gold! Especially after admitting liking Wodensthrone. They're so hot right now. I don't know what djent is, or why it's banned from MA, but I'd really like to know what blackgaze is musically speaking. |
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| Author: | iamntbatman [ Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:29 pm ] |
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Is it that hard to figure out? It's black metal + shoegaze. Well, that's the etymology anyway; more often I see it applied to bands that sound like atmospheric black metal mixed with boring Explosions in the Sky-styled reverb-tremolo-crescendo post-rock than anything really to do with shoegaze. |
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| Author: | Back Stabbath [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:57 am ] |
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Thanks. I would have asked what shoegaze is (I thought it was a genre of music so heavy that all you can do is headbang while looking at your feet) but without knowing what Explosions in the Sky is a reference to I think I comprehend what you mean. |
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| Author: | hakarl [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:47 am ] |
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Shoegaze has its gems. Slowdive not only made an art of creating those melancholy, wistful soundscapes, but they wrote bloody great songs too. My Bloody Valentine is overrated crap that was probably revolutionary at the time, but sucks musically outside of a handful of raw, undeveloped ideas. |
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| Author: | tomcat_ha [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:10 pm ] |
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some shoegaze is obliteratingly heavy, some of it is just noisy pop. |
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| Author: | teh_Foxx0rz [ Wed Nov 18, 2015 8:20 pm ] |
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Back Stabbath wrote: I thought it was a genre of music so heavy that all you can do is headbang while looking at your feet I heard it's so named because the musicians have so many effects pedals that all they do all concert is stare at their feet, which also fits in with its general aesthetic of being "just a guy" dealing with his emotions or whatever. |
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| Author: | lord_ghengis [ Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:13 am ] |
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Back Stabbath wrote: Especially after admitting liking Wodensthrone. They're so hot right now. Never said I like them. In fact they're one of the most tediously lifeless and shitty things I've ever sat through, just pointing out what I've always heard pagan metal as describing, namely vaguely folksy nothing atmoblack which goes nowhere. |
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| Author: | Indecency [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 12:02 pm ] |
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Back Stabbath wrote: Thanks. I would have asked what shoegaze is (I thought it was a genre of music so heavy that all you can do is headbang while looking at your feet) but without knowing what Explosions in the Sky is a reference to I think I comprehend what you mean. Got its name because the music is so mellow and calm and slow, people just stare at their feet. Imagine playing really slow, ambient music and then just looking up and around at the crowd. It would kinda be weird. |
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| Author: | icantbeasked [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
From my other thread: I was wondering (since I can't seem to find just a chat listing genres and subgenres and subs of subs) if Slam Death Metal, Technical Brutal Death Metal are subgenres of Brutal Death Metal, or are they considered their own, and if their are any others? I can't be asked to keep searching, and the fact that genres seem to blend. |
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| Author: | GTog [ Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:27 pm ] |
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"Slam" as metal terminology has been around for 10 years or so, but I don't think it's a sub-genre. I think it's just a descriptor used by scene-oriented types that got tired of being mistaken for deathcore fans all the time. Out of the bands I've heard called "slam", I'm only familiar with Internal Suffering from Colombia. I don't get at all why they don't just call that "good" brutal death metal, as opposed to the chug-chug-reet-reet shitty brutal death metal, and call it a day. On the other topic, I would think that technical brutal death metal is an offshoot off technical death metal, rather than brutal death metal. Of course, you search around here for a minute and you'll find bands labelled "brutal technical" death metal too, so who knows. |
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| Author: | iamntbatman [ Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:15 am ] |
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Indecency wrote: Back Stabbath wrote: Thanks. I would have asked what shoegaze is (I thought it was a genre of music so heavy that all you can do is headbang while looking at your feet) but without knowing what Explosions in the Sky is a reference to I think I comprehend what you mean. Got its name because the music is so mellow and calm and slow, people just stare at their feet. Imagine playing really slow, ambient music and then just looking up and around at the crowd. It would kinda be weird. Yes, mellow, calm, slow stuff like this: teh_Foxx0rz was right about the effects pedal thing. Explosions in the Sky are archetypal post-rock, not shoegaze. Most bands that people who don't know what shoegaze or post-rock is call "blackgaze" sound like them mixed with atmospheric black metal, like I said. Here's some EitS for reference: |
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| Author: | Master_Of_Thrash [ Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:33 pm ] |
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Kylesa's genre is labelled as "Progressive Psychedelic Sludge Metal". That sounds like something Aaron Turner would write in his list of "pretentious sub-genre names for my style of thinking man's metal". Either way, I think it sounds ridiculous. |
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