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| Author: | Sweetie [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 12:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
M_o_T, I agree. In fact I think 90% of the "genres" in this thread sound ridiculous. If anything, they're just ways to describe the music, or styles of playing, not genres. To me, the genres are all just "heavy metal" and if anything, the main ones (example: thrash, death, etc.) are "sub-genres". |
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| Author: | teh_Foxx0rz [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
Well "genre" is usually just a catch-all way of saying "distinctive style of playing" or a shortening of "subgenre". It's not like they're all claimed to be completely separate things on the level of "rock" or "jazz". |
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| Author: | Azmodes [ Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
Master_Of_Thrash wrote: Kylesa's genre is labelled as "Progressive Psychedelic Sludge Metal". That sounds like something Aaron Turner would write in his list of "pretentious sub-genre names for my style of thinking man's metal". Either way, I think it sounds ridiculous. I agree that it's a bit of a mouthful, yet both "progressive" and "psychedelic" are simply descriptors in this case and can be attached to a variety of genres to refine them. It's not meant to be understood as some kind of canonical movement with exactly that phrasing. cf. "technical" or "atmospheric". I've added a slash to their genre to make that more clear. |
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| Author: | tomcat_ha [ Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
there are more psychedelic sludge bands than kylesa that arent called psychedelic sludge. |
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| Author: | MDL [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
Can some of you give me some bands or songs that can be representative of the genre "Thrashcore"? I only know Akhvan and Negative Creep, whose appear here, on MA. The other results don't appear in any website such as youtube. |
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| Author: | GTog [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
"Yiddish Folk Metal"? http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Dibbukim/3540327152 |
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| Author: | Yayattasa [ Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
MDL666 wrote: Can some of you give me some bands or songs that can be representative of the genre "Thrashcore"? I only know Akhvan and Negative Creep, whose appear here, on MA. The other results don't appear in any website such as youtube. Well, it's because the thrashcore bands in MA are mostly obscure (and that means a lot coming from such an underground style) as thrashcore is not metal. A simple google search will guide you through this hardcore subgenre. |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
GTog wrote: Yiddish (Jewish) folk music and [folk] metal. Pretty much anything in front of "folk" will be referring to the folk who the folk music is of. I'm not sure to what extent we'll be using that on the site, but Yiddish folk music is certainly an established thing. |
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| Author: | tomcat_ha [ Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:45 am ] |
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MDL666 wrote: Can some of you give me some bands or songs that can be representative of the genre "Thrashcore"? I only know Akhvan and Negative Creep, whose appear here, on MA. The other results don't appear in any website such as youtube. thrashcore essentially is not metal but is fast americanish styled hardcore punk. good examples: there is some more metallic stuff with thrashcore elements most notably prob cryptic slaughter. |
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| Author: | Purabid [ Fri Dec 04, 2015 5:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
Kylesa's latest album sounded like indie rock with some sludge influences to me. |
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| Author: | Master_Of_Thrash [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
Here's another one; Golden Resurrection's genre is "melodic neoclassical power metal". Power metal is already pretty melodic to begin with, so I don't understand why an added descriptor is needed. It's like saying "poppy teen pop". How about "neoclassical/power metal"? I honestly think that's a much more fitting label. Maybe I'm not understanding the purpose of these crazy labels. Out of curiosity, as mods, are you guys putting these extra words to give the person a better idea of what to expect from the music? Also, do you acknowledge the fact that these are not actual sub-genres of a metal sub-genre and that they are not elitist classifications? |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:28 pm ] |
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I have never heard that band, but I imagine with a description like that, it sounds like Yngwie with gratuitous layering of harmonies on everything. Harmonized vocals, guitars, keyboards. I bet it doesn't sound like a band playing, it sounds like two bands playing with everything harmonized. If it doesn't sound like fairies playing Yngwie covers, then the genre could be minimized. If they don't sound like fairies, then "melodic" could probably be removed. If they don't sound like Yngwie, then "neoclassical" could be removed. I'm just going to guess that it sounds like fairies playing Yngwie covers, though. If it doesn't sound like that, then yeah, I guess the genre could be changed, but I'd guess the melodic and neoclassical differentiate it greatly from a band like Omen. Master_Of_Thrash wrote: Also, do you acknowledge the fact that these are not actual sub-genres of a metal sub-genre and that they are not elitist classifications? This isn't a strict taxonomy, it's a text box that we type some words in. Sometimes there's a few descriptors. |
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| Author: | MDL [ Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
I understood about the thrashcore genre in bands such as Siege and SOB, but how about some which are on the Archives, such as Akhvan and Negative Creep? They don't sound like the other bands that I referred, are they some kind of "-core side of thrash metal" or just actually a different and modern thrashcore?: |
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| Author: | Yayattasa [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:38 pm ] |
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That's totally not thrashcore. Some people call crossover and even hardcore thrashcore sometimes (it's an old thing, from the beginnings of the genre), but that's also not that. Maybe the band switched genres during their career? |
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| Author: | Azmodes [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
It gets used for all kinds of punk/-core/metal mixtures, very inconsistent. When it comes to labelling stuff on the site, we try to only apply it to the faster-than-hardcore-yet-not-quite-powerviolence/grind kind of thing. Naturally, it doesn't come up very often. I've changed the genre for Akhvan to simply "Metalcore". |
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| Author: | tomcat_ha [ Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:34 pm ] |
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thrashcore is a consistent thing but mostly people who listen to the actual genre are the only ones who know it. but that song is absolutely not thrashcore. |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:31 am ] |
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Is "Awful Indonesia Metal" a valid genre? I hear a lot of stuff that could be this style, and it seems to share an unhealthy relationship with keyboards. Some of it sounds like Judas Priest clones being defiled by awful AOR keyboards and ballads, and some of it sounds like someone heard Cradle of Filth and third-rate melodeath in the late 90s and played it through a Line 6 into a legacy Soundblaster with MIDI drums. I ask because every band from Indonesia that isn't "Awful Indonesia Brutaldeathmetal/gorecore" seems to be of this style. |
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| Author: | MDL [ Fri Dec 18, 2015 10:04 am ] |
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Another thing: Is RAC (rock against communism) and actual genre, with a musical structure that differ it from another music styles, or just a thing such as "more a scene than a genre"? |
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| Author: | Hykez [ Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
MDL666 wrote: Another thing: Is RAC (rock against communism) and actual genre, with a musical structure that differ it from another music styles, or just a thing such as "more a scene than a genre"? More a political view than a scene of such. Most bands in this particular label are pretty different in terms of sounding and origin, so I guess it's not really a scene. Nowdays it's mostly just a term used by nazi-facist hardcore bands who doesn't want to be related to those terms and often prefer to use labels like "nationalism" and stuff. |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
RAC, as used on this site, refers to a style of rock/punk that is somewhat synonymous with a certain scene. It is also referred to as "rechtsrock" in German. The style itself is a mix of hard rock and punk/hardcore/oi. It tends to have a heavy metal influence. The bands on this site are, of course, the ones that have released a predominantly metal album. Musically, it tends to be upbeat rock with a hard edge - there are usually gruff vocals mixed with chanted/sung choruses. There are often prominent melodies which can be folky and/or triumphant. The songs generally have a focus on a triumphant sound, manifested through ballads, chanted choruses, and the folky melodies. Landser - hardcore punk with gruff vocals contrasted with anthemic chants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewtvru8tAZ0 Honor - RAC/heavy metal with prominent melodies and somewhat harsh singing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDN7Y7tkS8o The non-metal stuff like later Skrewdriver and much of Honor's stuff has a propensity for terrible ballads with really awful, gritty vocals. So, basically, most RAC is trying to do something like this, even though it is absolutely terrible. (Skrewdriver - some awful ballad) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH9Rnob9z2M But really, the similarity in RAC comes from the very narrow scope of influences, as there's maybe half a dozen bands who any of them actually care about. Most of them are influences by Skrewdriver, either the early or later stuff. (Skrewdriver - When the Boat Comes In) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I28OYTJZvrs Aside from Skrewdriver, a few RAC bands like Landser and Honor were of note in the early-mid 90s. Bound for Glory were quite influential. On the metal side, you'll notice that nearly every band described as NSBM, Germanic black metal, or RAC/black metal band was influenced by early Absurd. This isn't really RAC, but the influence is there and this is a clear case in metal where nearly every band with any hint of following the ideology and style has a very clear, overt influence from this single band. You could easily stumble across a dozen covers of this while looking for similar bands. (Absurd - Der Sieg Ist Unser) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Pw_u-7lSY So, to answer the question, it's a scene that is very introverted and feeds off itself and a very, very narrow scope of influences, which is why it is pretty distinct. Oddly appropriate, isn't it? |
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| Author: | Opus [ Sat Dec 19, 2015 8:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [Stupid] genre question megathread (is x a real genre?) |
So is RAC synonymous with NS, or is it supposed to be a difference somehow? Zodijackyl wrote: (Skrewdriver - some awful ballad) Oh my, taking this to the worst songs thread. |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:06 am ] |
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Opus wrote: So is RAC synonymous with NS, or is it supposed to be a difference somehow? RAC is synonymous with white pride/power and usually espouses white nationalism and/or national socialism, despite the music itself being a very trans-national scene/network. As with the music, the politics tend to stem from a centralized source, and it is primarily pro-white above being ethnically nationalist. So yes, it is more or less synonymous with national socialism, primarily on the side of white nationalism, but not necessarily neo-nazism. There's a Hitler fetish present more often than not, though. |
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| Author: | hakarl [ Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:22 am ] |
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Yeah, I think RAC is more an umbrella of extreme right-wing beliefs, particularly nationalist christian conservative and vehemently anti-liberal. The 'against communism' comes from all the humanist and liberal aspects of socialism, and I'm sure that the irrelevance of race in socialism is one of the most important points they're against. |
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| Author: | laxskinn [ Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:44 am ] |
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Opus wrote: Zodijackyl wrote: (Skrewdriver - some awful ballad) Oh my, taking this to the worst songs thread. Haha, my first thought too when I heard that. And as always on youtube the people commenting thinks it's the greatest song ever. |
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| Author: | MDL [ Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:29 pm ] |
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And "Dark Rock", what's that, actually? there are some bands with that genre on MA, but without any sound samples. Do anyone knows how does it sounds like and some examples? |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:25 am ] |
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MDL666 wrote: And "Dark Rock", what's that, actually? there are some bands with that genre on MA, but without any sound samples. Do anyone knows how does it sounds like and some examples? When you see a vague term like that and can't find samples, it's probably something we would've changed if we had samples. There are three bands left with that tag, and... ugh... one of these is DSBM-turned-mallcore. OK, one band left with that tag now. Dark was generally used as a descriptor of atmosphere/mood. Rock is, well, rock. The term "rock" is used relative to metal on this site, of course. |
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| Author: | Auch [ Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:39 pm ] |
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Zodijackyl wrote: There are three bands left with that tag, and... ugh... one of these is DSBM-turned-mallcore. OK, one band left with that tag now. Which band is this? This description piqued my interest so I want to hear it. |
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| Author: | Zodijackyl [ Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:49 am ] |
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Auch wrote: Zodijackyl wrote: There are three bands left with that tag, and... ugh... one of these is DSBM-turned-mallcore. OK, one band left with that tag now. Which band is this? This description piqued my interest so I want to hear it. http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Havarax/97419 I checked the songs on the soundcloud account. 
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| Author: | Festivus [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:05 pm ] |
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Is Stoner an actual Rock/Metal genre or is it more of a lyrical theme? I mean, from what I've seen thus far, most Stoner Metal bands seem to fall in the Doom Metal category... |
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| Author: | tomcat_ha [ Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:19 pm ] |
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stoner can mean a few things. There is the desert rock stuff thats basically heavier psychedelic/space rock. Classic example: Yawning Man There is stoner metal which takes the more psychedelic moments of black sabbath and sort of avoids the doomy parts. Classic example: Blues for the Red Sun by Kyuss. Stoner/doom is when there are actual plenty of full on doom elements present. Classic example: The Carnival Bizarre by Cathedral lastly there is Stoner sludge. This is the newest subform, it takes elements from newer bands such as Electric Wizard and has because it takes from sludge, hardcore elements. Classic example: Bongzilla |
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| Author: | Azmodes [ Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:03 am ] |
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It also gets misused a lot for any kind of psychedelic rock, retro rock/metal/Sabbath worship and any rock band singing about weed and stuff. |
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| Author: | Bach666 [ Wed Jan 13, 2016 10:44 am ] |
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What sort of band is Phantom, Venom UK (i dont know but look at this, are this really the same Venom? http://www.metalious.com/venom/envenom) and Sewer? No information on any of the metalsites of this bands and this particular 15th album of Venom named Envenomed. |
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| Author: | ~Guest 334273 [ Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:15 am ] |
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They are fairly crappy black metal bands from a guy who tried every absurd stunt to make seem as they were famous and influential: he wrote a book, wrote reviews giving them absurd scores on his site, created a fake compilation featuring bands like Mayhem,Immortal.. covering it's own songs, spammed around forums obnoxiously speaking about a "third wave" of black metal, invented by Phantom and Sewer.. so.. it's all a scam. And to be fair not a funny one like Caligulae Crucis! |
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| Author: | Bach666 [ Wed Jan 13, 2016 1:31 pm ] |
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Morn Of Solace wrote: They are fairly crappy black metal bands from a guy who tried every absurd stunt to make seem as they were famous and influential: he wrote a book, wrote reviews giving them absurd scores on his site, created a fake compilation featuring bands like Mayhem,Immortal.. covering it's own songs, spammed around forums obnoxiously speaking about a "third wave" of black metal, invented by Phantom and Sewer.. so.. it's all a scam. And to be fair not a funny one like Caligulae Crucis! Lol, a man with a lot of time then. |
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| Author: | GenerationDead [ Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:14 pm ] |
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I call any teenage shit that play black metal, blackcore, because shitty teenage death metal is deathcore but with even worse breakdowns. Not saying deathcore is death metal. |
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| Author: | Purabid [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:36 am ] |
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Wtf is trip metal? |
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| Author: | Azmodes [ Thu Feb 04, 2016 12:38 pm ] |
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Inexistent. |
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| Author: | Wrath6909 [ Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:54 am ] |
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GenerationDead wrote: I call any teenage shit that play black metal, blackcore, because shitty teenage death metal is deathcore but with even worse breakdowns. Not saying deathcore is death metal. Are you twelve? |
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| Author: | ~Guest 171512 [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:17 pm ] |
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Why do we call 'depressive/suicidal black metal' that, and not just 'depressive black metal'? Seems like the topic of suicide falls pretty neatly under the umbrella of depression, for the sake of genre tags, at least. I mean, are there really any bands that are strictly either depressive or suicidal black metal, thus necessitating a further specification when a band is both? That doesn't seem likely, but hell, this is metal we're talking about. |
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| Author: | Yayattasa [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:26 pm ] |
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Thiestru wrote: Why do we call 'depressive/suicidal black metal' that, and not just 'depressive black metal'? Seems like the topic of suicide falls pretty neatly under the umbrella of depression, for the sake of genre tags, at least. I mean, are there really any bands that are strictly either depressive or suicidal black metal, thus necessitating a further specification when a band is both? That doesn't seem likely, but hell, this is metal we're talking about. Many people do that actually. I also prefer it so I don't keep thinking BDSM when I read DSBM  EDIT: RYM for example calls it DBM mainly. And it has been called that since the inception of the genre there, seven years ago. You got me interested in the origins of the term though. |
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