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Aeosphorus
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:42 pm 
 

I am from Brazil and I grew up listening to this in the late 80s/early 90s. It's curious that this is a "sub-sub-genre" that kind of only existed here, and kind of moved on and rubbed into stuff like BEHERIT and BLASPHEMY, it seems.

Basically it is derivative, shitty, badly played, fourth rate death/thrash brazilians made inspired by the teutonic gods/trio, Sodom, Kreator and Destruction. Throw in some Scandi-core for sloppiness and good measure (Terveet Kadet, Anti-Cimex, Riistetyt, I am looking at you), quite a bit of Satan, sex, porn, naked girls and alcohol, and you have the brazilian late 80s extreme scene. That's what we lived.

Shit. It's weird we were worshipping this. I don't even find if particularly listeneble now. Total CRAP! I always thought - at the time - our bands were shitty and metallica was the real deal (which is the truth to this day, actually. Nobody can touch Metallica's first 4 albums). We all thought that. We could never touch Slayer ou Metallica. Many times we were embarassed of our bands, thinking of it. Of course I loved Sepultura and Sarcófago, but still, most bands like our MAYHEM and LOUCYFER were SUCH SHIT.

I hadn't gone back to listen to this crap in YEARS. I didn't even REMEMBER it was this bad!

Well, I will leave the bands here and leave it for you to judge. Are there more bands inspired by this crappy, buzzsaw, lustful and pornographic, spazztic, drunk and alcohol obsessed sound from hell? In a way, we were similar to the Scandinavians. Watching gore films, whore-shipping satan in a teenagerish way. I think we were more interested in sex and pornography because everything was so censored by the dicatatorship before. Maybe there is some relation we can stablish between this noisy insanity and Impaled Nazarene, I guess.

To me, this was a combination of our inepcy at playing, bad equipment, the fact that we were coming out of a military dictatorship and could not read proper english and studio manuals/equipment manuals at the time, an inhability to play riffs, amongst other elements that contribute to both creativity and a music disaster. Some of these bands are so bad it is ridiculous.

I cannot believe people made so much effort to record and distribute some of this stuff. And some of it I actually bought at the time, in vinyl! I loved it! It still strikes a deep emotional chord, I must admit. "emotional memory", I think they call it. Memories which are deeply embedded with the emotion you felt at the time, and are IMPRINTED with the cause for that emotion and that memory! ;) I lived, years listening to this! :) Impressive with how little we were satisfied. Jesus, I feel like taking a bath after listening to this old, old crap. It reminds me of being drunk and 15 years old, with my old PIONEER vinyl player, at my parents house :(

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:54 pm 
 

dude. I freakin' LOVE that music. Almost all of it!! Love the grim lo-fi production, and the angry primitive thrashy feel. Most of the modern stuff bands spew out nowadays seems so sterile by comparison. I've always had a soft spot for these kind of bands.

Heck, even the infamous "Exterminator" album is not without its own unique charm, despite the fact that it sounds like they had only been playing their instruments for a couple weeks, and had made up most of the songs virtually on the spot as they recorded them.

Vulcano's "Bloody Vengeance" LP is a classic fave of mine, as is Mutilator, MX, and of course... the first couple records by Sarcofago, Sepultura (yes they were good once, hard to believe eh?)

Some of those you posted I had not heard before though. That Insulter track...freaking AWESOME. It reminds me of Sarcofago, but even faster and more brutal if that's possible, for 1986, it was probably one of the most extreme, insane brutal metal bands in existence. That's why I like it; yeah Metallica, etc may have been more "quality" i.e. better musicians, production and all, but that's not the reason people enjoy bands like these... Thanks for sharing, they all kick ass of course.

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Aeosphorus
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:04 am 
 

Haha thanks! A lot, man! I'd buy you a beer if you were here! :) This listening session has been a blast from the past down here!

I am glad you enjoy it. At the time we had a different feel about it, you know? We actually thought we were competing with Slayer, Kreator, Metallica.... But we wanted to be more evil and extreme, you know? I think this was because of the dictatorship, the murders and the torture commited by the military. It was just a violent ZEITGEIST all the time, you know? For a few years, it was like that. And to like rock music, was to be really against the system, if you get what I mean. The Vulcano guys live about one hour from me. Nice guys, pioneering band for sure. But we knew we weren't very good.

The exterminador album is IN-FUCKING-SANE in it's lack of.... lack of everything, really. It's just a musical abortion of Brazilian and satanic latin america proportions. I love all of Sepultura man, I am really open minded. Sepultura are gods of a wide range of metal. I worship them almost as much as I worship metallica. And certainly as much as I worship DEATH and Morbid Angel. Some of my favorites. Absolute gods of American Death Metal. The best death metal there is, really, if people face the truth.

I will leave you with me playing my own version of shitty, fucked up, sloppy and horrible Brazilian porno-death-satan-thrash. The majority of lyrics are about satan, actually. Not much sex. This is my own old band, DEPRAVATOR. From when I was a kid. We have a full album recorded, but only released a demo... TO THE PRAVE. It was great to be in this shit scene! Hahaha. I am just impressed with how little we were happy with.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:18 am 
 

I am almost ashamed to show you this, but well. One of the first metal concerts in Brazil was KISS, in 1983. This was the first time I bought an album, CREATURES OF THE NIGHT, which I love to this day.

These are Kiss fans singing for a TV reporter at the time. You can see that they are making up the lyrics for "I Love it loud". The fact is that coming across information was such a rare thing, we were so happy to get anything. It is quite ridiculous, we invented lyrics for songs because we didn't speak english.... But we loved the music with such passion! You can see it in the video. For you guys it probably seems very ridiculous and backwards, an underdeveloped country with inadequate adaptations of your own creations. But, for us it was very important and it meant the world to get some information from abroad and learn about metal.

Kiss was really the start of it all for me. I was a very small boy, but painted my face like Gene Simmons (metal god) and started listening to metal. And this legendary (for us) concert was the moment many of these bands decided to adopt make up/what is now called corpse paint. Sepultura, Sarcófago, Holocausto being good examples! :) Kiss is one of the best bands there is, really. I saw them this year with Manowar and Judas Priest and it was one of the most metal days of my life. Kiss is fucking awesome! :bow:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:05 am 
 

This reminds me I had a dream last night of playing Vulcano's Bloody Vengeance.

But yeah, I love the early Sepultura stuff and Vulcano's debut is pretty cool as well, minus the production. :p I've heard some other bands of this era that were ok but just don't really care about.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:00 am 
 

The SexTrash "Sexual Carnage" album is a classic in my books, if you can find the Greyhaze version with the bonus tracks it is well worth the price!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:27 am 
 

I enjoy this stuff, theres a raw energy to it that can't really be recreated today. The scrappy playing, a producer with no idea how to handle the music (reverb on everything maybe?), some good stuff.

More echo-y vokillz!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:28 am 
 

I do love this genre and I love the gritty tone this music has. In my opinion, Brazil have some great bands from all metal sub-genres but I'm also a big fan of this angry Satanic/war/black/deathrash kinda thing.

If there's a band I could recommend, that would be Goatpenis. Yeah, if you could overlook that stupid band name, the music is great especially their 2010 release "Biochemterrorism". That's actually an amazing record in itself.

So yeah, consider me a fan of this genre. :D
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:24 am 
 

Super cool recollection man. Great to read a first-hand experience from an old fan.

The music itself I never really got into apart from some of the "nicer" stuff. I think most of it may be too abrasive for me.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:01 pm 
 

Technically quite a number of these bands were quite bad at making music (not random noise), but they had the raw energy and dedication. In some ways they were ahead of their time. For example Sepultura's Bestial Devastation was one of the darkest and aggressive releases of the time, rivalled only by hardcore punk and emerging grindcore. As far as I know Euronymos of Mayhem was really fond of Brazilian underground.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:08 pm 
 

Really enjoy that Expulser song. I think a couple of those songs actually have a charm about them, though a couple are definitely unlistenable nowadays. Really cool account from an old schooler from the Brazil scene, was great to read!

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Aeosphorus
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:40 pm 
 

Thanks a lot for the appreciation, guys. Cheers!!! It's great to see that some people are actually interested in the misspent youth of some of us! hahaha! I thank you!!! :)

Really, what were we thinking?

There are some other cool bands which really made our day during that era. I can recommend a couple more which are fun. Come to think of it, it's really the most primitive form of death metal there is, played in the most savage way possible. Somewhere between Bathory, Venom, Metallica, Slayer, Sodom, Kreator, Hellhammer. Failing at being any of that, of course.

Some of it actually tries to start to go somewhere, but quickly it loses control over it's own satanic and alcohol infused brazilian insanity, and everything derails and disassembles into random unholy and perverted noise and blasphemy, One of the most hilarious and post modern by products of pop culture I have ever seen!

I think my own band was a fine example of random satanic chaos made by young people who haven't got a clue. Maybe that tradition also happened with bands like ABRUPTUM? Haha! perhaps!

In any case, you guys won't believe this. This is a CURRENT, 2015, not 1985, BRAZILIAN black/death/raw/I don't even know/satanic noise band, which has music, and images, which have to be SEEN TO BE BELIEVED.

Well, I guess someone has to keep up the tradition. They are from BH, the city of Sepultura and Cogumelo Records, and the majority of the bands mentioned above. Makes sense. It's UNBELIEVABLE. These kids are like a mirror of what we were in the late 80s. I have tears in my eyes:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:59 pm 
 

Impurity, from a little bit later, 1993. Still very badly recorded. It has a satanic charm to it, but the vocals, whispered in a somber and thick, false-growl, are monotonous. The guitars lack any brutality, and that's both charming and weak. The riffs are so repetitive (bathory started that) that it is both hypnotic and stupid, which I kind of love, and hate. It's like listening to a printer printing 200 pages of a thesis. And the riffs are incredibly generic. The production is incomprehensible for a record made in 1993, but hey, this is Brazil guys, and Brazil just after the dictatorship, like I mentioned, sucked:

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Cirrhosis, another classic. Wagner from Sarcófago played with them. A celebration of alcohol and metal. It is a bit better than Impurity, they just play better, and also the intro reminds me of the intro to horror films such as Halloween, Phantasm and so on. Actually, that nice dark, kind of "vincent price horror film" vibe permeates some riffs and some moments of this album. It kind of has some parallels with some of the stuff Autopsy and early DEATH did, but in a brazilian and sloppier way. That Dario Argento soundtrack feel. Pretty cool stuff, for such a bad band. The drumming is the difference, super fast, sloppy and with that touch of Brazilian insanity. They are still around, and have learnt to play a little better, for sure!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:09 pm 
 

Aeosphorus wrote:
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This is astounding.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:54 pm 
 

Aeosphorus

I completely understand what you say when you state about late 80's/early 90's Brazilian 'war metal' as being shitty, bad produced and a sign of inepcy. It is almost exactly what many people here in Colombia think about Medellin's "Ultra Metal" or "Metal Medallo" sound: a mish-mash of hardcore/thrash with a very, very extreme approach, recorded in whatever shitty studio they could afford, with bad equipment and recorded it under the supervision of people who had zero clue about how to record Metal.

However, as much as you despise it, you can see for yourself how those pieces of 'shitty music' get all the praise they receive. Hell, I'm not sure if obscure Colombian acts from the late 80's such as PARABELLUM, REENCARNACION, ASTAROTH, BLASFEMIA, PIROKINESIS or old MASACRE are as famous as the WARFARE NOISE compilations, SEXTRASH, HOLOCAUSTO, CHAKAL, VULCANO and other Brazilian gods, who were far ahead their time. The youth of their members was exactly what allowed them to take some risks and play with guts, venting all their aggression and frustration on their cheap instruments.

And some other South American bands from that era had certain impact on the undergroudn back then: Chile's Atomic Aggressor and Death Yell, or Peru's Mortem and Hadez, precisely because of their primitive approach.

It is funny, though, how many of those involved in bands from that era now despite and scorn their recordings, some of them actually trying to distance themselves as much as they can, while many many more worship the very form of music their creators are trying to avoid.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:07 pm 
 

This is one of the few sub-sub-subgenres that sounds good in its shittiness. The bog production, sloppy playing that's always way too fast for the musicians' abilities, the amateur approach to visuals and whatnot, chord progressions that betray a complete ignorance of musical convention, etc... the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I grew up listening to older Sepultura so I get a nostalgic feel for bands that play with this particular style, even if I only heard them last week. Anyway, here's my contribution to the thread:

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INRI is one of the most insane, beautiful albums ever recorded. I'm still blown away by it every single time.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:35 am 
 

Holy crap! The animation of that Echoes video - South Park deathblack metal?
I quite enjoyed the song though.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:30 am 
 

As someone with no familiarity with this movement aside from Sepultura, I have no contributions to make but I will say that these bands are entertaining as hell. Holocausto and Necromancer actually sound legitimately decent but the others manage to be pretty hilarious.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:29 pm 
 

I don't listen to these bands but I appreciate the spirit of what they were doing at the time and what they were trying to say.

However, I think one of the unintended legacies/influences it has left (though it is not alone in this) is making people think that you don't have to put in effort or skill into your music and can just wing everything and say that its raw/kvlt/bestial when it's actually just full of shit. "Why are you dissing my crappy playing, Sarcofago were no virtuosos themselves!" Right, and your band isn't Sarcofago either.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:56 pm 
 

oooh sweet Satan. I hope this thread lasts forever.

great reading the perspective of someone who was there virtually from the beginning. I love this particular approach to raw and out of control metal. I think i reached my limit with the Exterminator album though. The Holocausto debut is just on the edge of falling apart but it rules...but the exterminator is just a little too much on the clueless side. :lol:

Bloody Vengeance is my favourite from this particualr niche I think. I even love the production to death. also dig the hell out of the Mutilator debut, and of course the usual Sarcofago etc.

Not sure if they really fit into this category as they seem to play their instruments quite well, but The mist was a good band as well. At least on their first two albums.

That Impurity is quite captivating actually. Thanks for reminding me that I need to check taht album out.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:38 pm 
 

I wouldnt be so critical OP. I think you are right on the money with them inspiring Beherit and Blasphemy, etc. Technical skill and playing is way overrated in metal. Its all about the passion and the Brazilian bands had this in spades. What about Mystifier? I know they were more black metal. but I still lump them in with the others. Mystifier is a fucking amazing band.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:57 pm 
 

Tezcat, thanks for your contribution and cool comments! I much agree with you!

I don't really despise it! It was a part of my youth and a very important one! As you can see I even played it. I just think it is very clear why some of the stuff didn't work that well! Haha. But that's ok because it was also a time of creativity, everyone was trying to make death/thrash and create their own way of doing it. It was really cool and the whole genre of extreme metal seemed new, with so many sub-genres coming by.

Having said that, I consider myself quite demanding with my metal. I write about metal, and I've been listening to it to so many years! I don't want to let my nostalgia or my love and identification with my past, the days of my youth and the musical and visual elements that shaped me as a kid interfere with my judgement of music. I love my memories of it. I guess I could have been a more popular kid/teen if I wasn't listening to this stuff, but in life we all make choices and choose what kind of experiences and people we will have around us and we get knowledge from that, I don't regret anything, nor I think that there is no value at all in this. Otherwise, like I said, I wouldn't be sharing the stories with like minded people here isn't it? :)

However, I know, I am aware that these are very young kids, in precarious situations and that this is far below what is the real quality of extreme music. Of course it is, like many people here have mentioned, charming in its own way. That's why I made a thread isn't it? But I don't let that blind me to the obvious faults, the immaturity and the camp/cheesy aspect of many of these! Nostalgia tinted-satanic sunglasses shouldn't color my judgement of the good, and the bad, of the past. I don't like making idealizations of things. ;)

It was Max Cavalera who started it, really. Before him, the Minas Gerais bands were not as heavy. Max was frequently tape trading and writing letters to foreign bands, and he helped change the Minas Gerais scene from heavy metal to death, black and thrash. His influence cannot be underestimated. Without his focus on extreme metal, the Minas bands wouldn't have gone from Overdose (heavy metal) to all the others I posted above! No Sepultura? No Sarcófago and no Cogumelo records! The label that led it all! :)

Here is a fun photo that kinds of capture the spirit of the times. Max and Anton Reisenegger, of Chile's PENTAGRAM. This was taken when Anton came to Max's house in BH to record a Pentagram album (never happened I think). I think it captures well the spirit of the times as well as the type of life metalheads in Brasil (and everywhere) lived like at the time: many posters on the wall and kind of a family, relaxed environment, hahaha:

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Come to think of it. It was very common at that time to buy new records and have huge listening sessions with friends over at one's house. We would spend afternoons taping each other metal records, so everyone had a copy of what someone else bought. Imported records were so expensive, we had to each buy different records so everyone could have a little of everything. So it was very common to have friends over and playing/recording metal nonstop. I remember doing that with new releases by Napalm Death, Kreator, Sepultura, Morbid Angel, Nocturnus, Iron Maiden's FEAR OF THE DARK and many others. Metal and non-metal stuff. This picture captures that era and kind of ritual of hanging out well!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:57 pm 
 

This is the EXTERMINATOR album, which was mentioned above. Impressive that full grown men (?) decided to commit this to vinyl:

Please notice the lyrics. As deep and as filled with sense as the music: ;)

Hitler, Himmler, Mengele and Belzebu
Turn you up my slaves in the Hell

Now you loock at the dream
You don't can believe
It's a nightmare, oh well

People speak a lot about VULCANO because they released a black/death album in 1985 (the first south american black metal album, some say, nowadays. Sepultura's first album is from 1985 too, though.) but really, for me, the epitome of their brutality mixed with lack of knowledge, transforming ignorance into unholy noise, is the now classic ANTHROPOPHAGY. Not only because the record is insane noise metal made with a lot of conviction about one's own lack of ability, and not less because the name of the record is about cannibalism, but because the name of the album is A WORD THAT DOESN'T EXIST IN ENGLISH.

Oh, the days before the internet! We couldn't check on google, and some were just too lazy to go get a dictionary to be sure! I think that the fact that there WAS no net, and we were more isolated, also made scenes more unique. We just had less references and models to copy, and had to make do with what was around and through guess-work and local adaptations and creations. And that applies to riffs, clothes, recording techniques, and album titles!!!! ;) :metal: :hail:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:10 pm 
 

I don't think these were "Full grown men," really, I suspect many of these guys were just kids, 16, 17 years old maybe. I have a feeling this was true of the Exterminator guys- you look at some of the band photos and they all look like teenagers. I still get a kick out of that album though, just because it truly is SOOOO FREAKIN' bad. Some of the other bands at least have enough talent that you can appreciate the rawness and energy of it, even though the musicianship isn't all that accomplished there is, at least, some semblance of musicianship. Exterminator doesn't even have any musical ability at all, not even by amateur standards.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:44 pm 
 

Yes I agree, they were kids. But the label! I meant the label that put EXTERMINATOR out. They were actually a "normal" label. Not even a rock one. What were those people thinking? ;)

It seems the singer, Thom Stock, had his family deported from Poland by the nazis during the war, they moved to Brazil and he was born there. This certainly influenced the nazi themes of some songs of Exterminator. He is a doctor now.

Another band which shares similarities with the Brazilian bands is Sweden's WAR, by Tägtgren. They do benefit from much better production!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:30 pm 
 

Another blast straight from the past for you guys here!

This photo is almost "ground zero" for extreme metal in Brazil. Members of Sepultura, Sarcófago and Mutilator together, in February 1985. This is after Sepultura was already playing live, since 1984 they were already very active, and leading the way for the other bands, which were forming around them. As you guys can see Max stands in the middle, in a Satanicteen version of the last supper, extreme metal, brazilian style! ;)

Please notice a small, 14 year old IGOR CAVALERA there to the left, holding the metal banner :np: :np: looking like a small imp!!! :-D


Mark, completely agree with Mystifier. They play the same brand of unholy brazilian evilness!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:28 am 
 

I don't think Mystifier were terrible musicians though, even on their debut. there seem to have been some weird recording quirks and what I might call a lack of polish in some areas, but even the debut has interesting nuances in the playing, some reasonably accomplished tapping solos, etc...

Amazing band though, for sure.
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PhilosophicalFrog
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:00 pm 
 

WHOA. HOW DID I MISS THIS. This thread is all I've been looking for. Vulcano's Bloody Vengeance is pretty much a staple in my metallic diet. I listen to that album about once a week, perfect for running and just thrashing about. Primal, intense, rad. Obviously, Mutilator is sweet, and that Warfare Noise is an amazing split with some of my jamz - mainly Chakal.

That "Dark Church" song was fucking amazing! There's a million awesome riffs, and the vocalist sounds like an angrier Pete Steele.
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Hykez
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:54 pm 
 

I thought I was the only brazilian that wasn't into this 80's Minas Gerais metal scene :lol: It's funny, 'cause the brazilian punk scene (the São Paulo scene in particular) of that same time was pretty crappy too and most people really love bands like Inocentes, Olho Seco and Fogo Cruzado, the same way that most brazilian metalheads hail to early Sarcófago and Holocausto.

In my opinion, it was a time when the desire to make heavy and loud music was bigger than the actual musicianship, the military regime was dying off in that time but it was still difficult to get instruments and learn how to play them. These bands are important because they were the first ones to do it in our country, but for me, they just layed the ground to a newer generation. For me, brazilian metal only got better in the early 90's/late 80's, when Sepultura started to make a more polished sound (a.k.a. when Andreas Kisser joined the band), when other bands like Krisiun and Mystifier released their debut and the 90's, etc.

This mid-80's to late 80's MG sound it's not something that I really enjoy, but I really respect it. Also, there's the Ruído das Minas documentary about the scene, great stuff.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:33 pm 
 

Hearing Exterminator for the first time right now thanks to this thread. I love them already. :)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:03 am 
 

I don't have anything meaningful to add to the discussion, but I just wanted to say that I'm glad somebody else is using the term "deathrash". I thought I was the only one!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:41 am 
 

FasterDisaster wrote:
I don't have anything meaningful to add to the discussion, but I just wanted to say that I'm glad somebody else is using the term "deathrash". I thought I was the only one!


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Foulchrist wrote:
FasterDisaster wrote:
I don't have anything meaningful to add to the discussion, but I just wanted to say that I'm glad somebody else is using the term "deathrash". I thought I was the only one!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:50 am 
 

Really? I could swear that deathrash was a pretty common term on the internet at least, haven't heard many people other than myself and maybe one or two of my friends use it in person though.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:30 pm 
 

Hyzek seems I owe you a beer now. Agree with lots of what you have said. Actually, people in this thread are very nice and I'd love to be listening to this shit with all of you and buying you guys beers. Haha.

I agree completely. I am from SP as well, and seriously, all these old bands like Olho Seco, Fogo Cruzado, the SUB compilation, they have cool sentimental value, but the music is too derivative and the musicians too inept. Specially in Brazilian punk I think. To be honest in general I don't like much Brazilian punk and metal, it should have developed better bands, you would think.

That documentary is good too. For people interested, this is a documentary which was made by some kids as their graduation work for their bachelor's degree. They decided to put it on youtube for everyone to see after they got their degrees, and it was quite well received by the metal underground. And it is pretty well done for something made by a bunch of early 20 year olds with basically no money. Unfortunately it doesn't have subtitles, but you can see old and new images of many of the bands mentioned here; Chakal, Sepultura, Mutilator, Sarcófago, Holocausto, Sextrash and others. Interesting stuff!

[youtube]https://youtu.be/8EEGZUz2jI0[/youtube]


Hykez wrote:
I thought I was the only brazilian that wasn't into this 80's Minas Gerais metal scene :lol: It's funny, 'cause the brazilian punk scene (the São Paulo scene in particular) of that same time was pretty crappy too and most people really love bands like Inocentes, Olho Seco and Fogo Cruzado, the same way that most brazilian metalheads hail to early Sarcófago and Holocausto.

In my opinion, it was a time when the desire to make heavy and loud music was bigger than the actual musicianship, the military regime was dying off in that time but it was still difficult to get instruments and learn how to play them. These bands are important because they were the first ones to do it in our country, but for me, they just layed the ground to a newer generation. For me, brazilian metal only got better in the early 90's/late 80's, when Sepultura started to make a more polished sound (a.k.a. when Andreas Kisser joined the band), when other bands like Krisiun and Mystifier released their debut and the 90's, etc.

This mid-80's to late 80's MG sound it's not something that I really enjoy, but I really respect it. Also, there's the Ruído das Minas documentary about the scene, great stuff.

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Hykez
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:38 pm 
 

Aeosphorus wrote:
Hyzek seems I owe you a beer now. Agree with lots of what you have said. Actually, people in this thread are very nice and I'd love to be listening to this shit with all of you and buying you guys beers. Haha.

I agree completely. I am from SP as well, and seriously, all these old bands like Olho Seco, Fogo Cruzado, the SUB compilation, they have cool sentimental value, but the music is too derivative and the musicians too inept. Specially in Brazilian punk I think. To be honest in general I don't like much Brazilian punk and metal, it should have developed better bands, you would think.

That documentary is good too. For people interested, this is a documentary which was made by some kids as their graduation work for their bachelor's degree. They decided to put it on youtube for everyone to see after they got their degrees, and it was quite well received by the metal underground. And it is pretty well done for something made by a bunch of early 20 year olds with basically no money. Unfortunately it doesn't have subtitles, but you can see old and new images of many of the bands mentioned here; Chakal, Sepultura, Mutilator, Sarcófago, Holocausto, Sextrash and others. Interesting stuff!


Wow, we're from the same town then haha, I don't drink but I accept a water bottle instead :lol: I think the punk scene did the same as the metal scene, it got better with time. The early melodic hardcore scene had awesome bands, the early straight edge movement aswell with bands like Sight For Sore Eyes and Personal Choice. It's a taste thing of course.

On the deathrash term, I've seen it only online, I still say "death thrash" like in death/thrash. But yeah, totally a thing, early Sarcófago, early Sepultura, even some american stuff like Rigor Mortis so yeah, no surprise there.

Also, not thrash or anything, but if you guys would care for it, Ratos de Porão's documentary it's subbed on YouTube, there's some Sepultura there as well and how the brazilian punk and metal scenes started to crossover back then. Ratos and Sepultura has always been considered "brother bands" here in Brazil, so maybe you guys can take some info from there.

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FasterDisaster
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:18 am 
 

SkullFracturingNightmare wrote:
Really? I could swear that deathrash was a pretty common term on the internet at least, haven't heard many people other than myself and maybe one or two of my friends use it in person though.

It was for a bit there, when talking about bands like Dew Scented and DeathChain and Torture Squad. But it's kinda dropped off the map.

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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:16 pm 
 

big fan of this style of music. Influenced by it myself to some extend when i write black metal.

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savagevelocithrash
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 5:09 pm 
 

Always loved that scene because sounds so wild and full of energy and fury, but it's not something that i can listen everyday, all the time, it's need certain mood to really get into it, specially the more chaotic recordings like "Campo De Exterminio" or the demo recordigs of Necrobutcher or Insulter. The same i can say about Colombian "ultra metal" bands, sometimes im totally into it, and sometimes don't.

Im mostly into old Chilean and Peruvian Death/Thrash bands because share the intensity of the Brazilian and Colombian bands but are far more musically structured and played much better. Granted, Sepultura and Sarcofago are some of my all times favorites, but i'll take Death Yell, Atomic Aggressor, Totten Korps, Massacre (the chilean one) Mortem, Hadez, Curriculum Mortis, etc. over any other brazilian band.

also, Exterminator is just crap, and its sad how a lot of guys trying real hard to like that "Total Extermination" record just to fit with the "true metal cultist" criteria. What a bunch of posers hehehe.

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