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VaeFUCKINGVictus
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:55 pm 
 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Batushka/comme ... um=ios_app

The true Batushka has suited up, boys and girls. Seems like Derph is far from laying down.

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AbdullahNA
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:31 am 
 

I have no idea which one is which anymore. Seen them live at Brutal Assault 2017 and it was epic. This year at Brutal Assault I couldn't continue watching them live, the music was garbage, and I've noticed plenty of people with Batushka T-shirts walk away from the set.

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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:48 am 
 

AbdullahNA wrote:
I have no idea which one is which anymore. Seen them live at Brutal Assault 2017 and it was epic. This year at Brutal Assault I couldn't continue watching them live, the music was garbage, and I've noticed plenty of people with Batushka T-shirts walk away from the set.

2017 Batushka live would've been the original line-up, with Bart on vocals, and Derph on guitars, playing songs written by Derph, as heard on the album Litourgiya. This year's Batushka would be the Bart's version, with hired guns playing all instruments, and the songs written by someone who was not a part of the original Batushka lineup.
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Vigintiseptem
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:19 am 
 

Bartushka is essentially* comparable to Venien's VON (yeah, remember that?) and the former will fizzle away just like the latter did after the initial hype and controversy.

*: talentless hacks riding the wave raised by others

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blackmantram
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:34 am 
 

AbdullahNA wrote:
I have no idea which one is which anymore. Seen them live at Brutal Assault 2017 and it was epic. This year at Brutal Assault I couldn't continue watching them live, the music was garbage, and I've noticed plenty of people with Batushka T-shirts walk away from the set.


Really??? This is why Bart is having success with his bullshit, either people are too stupid to realise or they just don't care.

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VaeFUCKINGVictus
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:20 pm 
 

From Faketushka's FB:

"Our sacristy is waiting for us...
We are currently preparing a special liturgy for the upcoming tours containing chants from our first and second albums, and special hymns that you will hear for the first time.
Be ready for the Communion of Death!"

Whelp, the fucker is going to do it. What a travesty.

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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:01 pm 
 

blackmantram wrote:
AbdullahNA wrote:
I have no idea which one is which anymore. Seen them live at Brutal Assault 2017 and it was epic. This year at Brutal Assault I couldn't continue watching them live, the music was garbage, and I've noticed plenty of people with Batushka T-shirts walk away from the set.


Really??? This is why Bart is having success with his bullshit, either people are too stupid to realise or they just don't care.

It's not stupidity, or even really ignorance. 99% of music fans don't know the first thing about the artists they listen to. That's incredibly normal. We're the weirdos who actually take the time to do deep dives into who is in what band and what the current news is. Why would anyone see the name Batushka on a bill and even think to question who the members are, especially since they're supposed to be anonymous anyway? Bartushka will probably continue to see massive success given that they own the trademark in the US and have the full support of one of the biggest metal labels in the world. Yes, it's a shame, but you can't blame the fans for that.
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schizoid
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:52 pm 
 

narsilianshard wrote:
blackmantram wrote:
AbdullahNA wrote:
I have no idea which one is which anymore. Seen them live at Brutal Assault 2017 and it was epic. This year at Brutal Assault I couldn't continue watching them live, the music was garbage, and I've noticed plenty of people with Batushka T-shirts walk away from the set.


Really??? This is why Bart is having success with his bullshit, either people are too stupid to realise or they just don't care.

It's not stupidity, or even really ignorance. 99% of music fans don't know the first thing about the artists they listen to. That's incredibly normal. We're the weirdos who actually take the time to do deep dives into who is in what band and what the current news is. Why would anyone see the name Batushka on a bill and even think to question who the members are, especially since they're supposed to be anonymous anyway? Bartushka will probably continue to see massive success given that they own the trademark in the US and have the full support of one of the biggest metal labels in the world. Yes, it's a shame, but you can't blame the fans for that.


I disagree. This is underground music we're talking about. It's not like people would hear the music on the radio/shopping at the mall/whatever and just decide they like it and buy a ticket for the show. To get into music like this does require some level of delving into, and with a simple Batushka google search it wont take long to come across all the nonsense that is going on.


Unless of course its fans who are there for another band on the bill.
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Smoking_Gnu
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:51 am 
 

schizoid wrote:
I disagree. This is underground music we're talking about. It's not like people would hear the music on the radio/shopping at the mall/whatever and just decide they like it and buy a ticket for the show. To get into music like this does require some level of delving into, and with a simple Batushka google search it wont take long to come across all the nonsense that is going on.


There's still a level between delving into something underground, and actively pursuing news about and discussing it in detail. Can't speak for the experiences of other folks here, but I've been consistently surprised at certain metal shows I attended as to the number of people who really just knew the surface details of the bands they were there to see, or similar bands when they came up in discussion. In a lot of cases these days, even in "underground" music, people will just hear the name of a few bands, add some of their tracks to a spotify playlist and call it a day.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:34 am 
 

Even with underground music, casual culture is very much a thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:21 am 
 

Yeah people on these forums often get a sort of insulated sense of how nerdy the average person is about music. A lot of people just listen to the albums - even underground extreme music - without keeping up with the gossip shit. With the internet it's much easier to be a fan of this stuff than it used to be, too.
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wednesdaysixx
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:52 am 
 

It's comparable to the recent cliche about people who get Ramones shirts because they like a few songs and know if they hear them they'll enjoy it, versus the people who want to interrogate those people because they know every track listing, every release, can name every member etc.
Casual listening happens in every genre at every level. Personally, I've only recently listened to entire death metal albums end-to-end but still felt I had opinions on what bands I did or didn't like. We're (here on these forums) the ones who take the time, effort, finances to delve into bands, music, back catalogues, obscure videos etc to learn about things and keep up with news whilst many others would happily just listen to singles/greatest hits/the top youtube or Spotify results for a band.
Whilst I think quite strongly that Batushka with Krystof is better than Bart's, musically and visually I can see how people not following it could be confused and could end up watching a Batushka and not know who they're seeing. There's a reason confusion is brought up in lawsuits over band names.

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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:28 pm 
 

So fans of metal bands are that casual too? I thought that was a mainstream thing. Always learning I guess.
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narsilianshard
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 1:43 pm 
 

The top Batushka video on Youtube has 3 million plays. Batushka has 80,000 fans on Facebook. You'll find similar differentials for just about every band. So yeah, there is an unbelievably massive gap between fans who listen casually and those who actively follow the band in some capacity. Even in metal, doing anything beyond listening on Spotify or Youtube is not the norm.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:18 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
So fans of metal bands are that casual too? I thought that was a mainstream thing. Always learning I guess.


I'd guess that's a somewhat recent development, largely due to the development of the internet and then streaming services. Back in the tape trading and zine days most of the underground metal fanbase was probably very dedicated and informed, but the overall size of the fanbase was much smaller too.
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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:42 pm 
 

It's funny because I happen to have a friend that is a collector like myself and grew up with the 90s underground, but whenever we drive to a show he's always putting "singles" (read: loose songs and not entire albums) all the way. A guy who slaps a Last.fm/Spotify/Youtube combo on his phone, transmitted into his car stereo and then we go the entire time hopping songs. So I guess that it may indeed be a matter of availability and immediacy in this day and age. We're being constantly bombarded with more and more and more stuff to listen to in every online platform so it's hard to keep up. And he gets promos from labels so he's also constantly sending stuff for me to listen to, which more often than not is a matter of "heard a couple of songs, sounded nice, sent it to me". So there's no filter on if it's good or not, it's just more more more.

It's just a strange notion that some people would treat underground metal like mainstream pop when it comes to their listening habits. It's just, I don't know, weird I guess? I guess I'm getting old and the rest of the metal world is evolving into something I really don't relate to.
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wednesdaysixx
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:59 pm 
 

I think it depends on individuals, time available, finances. If people buy records they’re more inclined, it seems, to listen to albums. If people are short on time and/or money they’re more, seemingly, inclined towards singles or hopping across popular recommendations on the platform of choice. If they’ve got time they’ll look into bands, read interviews, follow them on social media, check out the documentaries. If they don’t, it’s just whatever happens to catch their eye and they may go years without hearing anything.
In my case, it’s a combination of in the last year or so I’ve entered a relationship with someone not into metal (she likes classic rock type stuff and pop) and I’ve got a stepdaughter, I’m also a uni student and work part time, so it’s easier for me to listen to a “New metal releases” playlist to get a gist of current events or some album I already know is child-friendly to play whilst I make breakfast than it is for me to carve out time to sit/lie and put an album on and really soak it in, taking notice of lyrics, drums, vocals, album art etc.
I think also, I’ve hit a point where I’m following so much music on here, Reddit, social media, email newsletters, that I physically can’t keep up with everything in terms of releases, lineup changes, tour dates etc.
But that’s just me, and I feel this thread is derailing so err... Krystof’s Batushka is an album I’ve listened to end to end and I really loved it and need to sit with it more. The original Batushka album I’ve listened to a handful of times and it’s really cool and I can see an obvious progression there.

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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:06 pm 
 

Valid points indeed. We're getting old and responsible, ha ha. But yeah, I won't derail the thread more.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:01 am 
 

Unbelievable... Faketushka now has a documentary in the works.

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lol jesus fucking christ this keeps getting more and more embarassing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:59 pm 
 

Nokturniis wrote:
Unbelievable... Faketushka now has a documentary in the works.

Made by the same guy who did the videoclip:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:18 am 
 

Nokturniis wrote:
Unbelievable... Faketushka now has a documentary in the works.



At this point I am 666% sure that Bart is trying to get as much ad revenue as possible from these fucking videos before he inevitably loses to the court and has to cough up money.

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Auch
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:26 pm 
 

Wow - a documentary? He's not even pretending that the anonymity is important to the band anymore, huh?

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GrayChild
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:17 am 
 

Image

No one needs your knock-off anymore, Bart.

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Ilwhyan
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:00 pm 
 

The best thing to do is not give that charade any attention or press. Right now it lives off the viral infamy that Bart's thievery has caused. If something from the Derph camp comes up, it's good to support that - if you like - and ignore the bullshit.
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GrayChild wrote:
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No one needs your knock-off anymore, Bart.


Let's hope he succeeds and this sells out super quick. :metal: :metal: :metal: :metal: :metal: :metal:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:02 am 
 

How does one casually start listening to black metal? I can't fathom this notion.

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https://batyushka.bandcamp.com/album/-

Looks like there's a new false Batushka in town.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:49 pm 
 

I'm down for that and haven't even listened to the album yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:45 am 
 

dystopia4 wrote:
https://batyushka.bandcamp.com/album/-

Looks like there's a new false Batushka in town.


This should get picked up by Metal Enterprises
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:50 pm 
 

So anyone here down to forming a 5th Batushka? I feel like there's space in the world for even MORE batushka!
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At least this band got the name right.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:07 pm 
 

"A true БАТЮШКА album by a band formed by the real orthodox priests from Russia. We are not some bunch of larping posers, but true christians."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 pm 
 

dystopia4 wrote:
https://batyushka.bandcamp.com/album/-

Looks like there's a new false Batushka in town.


This new band already has more albums than any of the past Babushkas! The others really gotta pick up the pace here! :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:58 pm 
 

schizoid wrote:


I disagree. This is underground music we're talking about. It's not like people would hear the music on the radio/shopping at the mall/whatever and just decide they like it and buy a ticket for the show. To get into music like this does require some level of delving into, and with a simple Batushka google search it wont take long to come across all the nonsense that is going on.


Unless of course its fans who are there for another band on the bill.



I've seen plenty of post's on facebook sharing songs from.the band or praising them, with no idea about the drama.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:42 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Not listening, I boycott everything that is against satatanism.


bro you just posted cringe bro you're gonna lose subscriber

CrippledLucifer wrote:
So anyone here down to forming a 5th Batushka? I feel like there's space in the world for even MORE batushka!


I'm down. Let's do it

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:08 pm 
 

Time to make a parody in the vein of Cannabis Corpse, Bakushka
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:20 pm 
 

The Batushka's are self-replicating at this point. Pretty soon they will envelope and devour the earth, then the solar system, followed by the galaxy, and eventually this universe. Given enough time, the Batushka's will consume this dimension, and then the mirror dimensions where Litourgiya never happened, and finally all of reality.
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