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Frank Booth
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:41 pm 
 

Yeah, Disma probably has nothing to lose at this point - they don't tour, they barely play shows, and my guess is that most fests weren't willing to touch them for a while before this, so they just went "fuck it" and let Pillard come back. They aren't making any money doing this and they're totally fine with playing to forty dudes who all look like the thumb creatures from Spy Kids, and the 2011 hype train left a long time ago, so there's no point in trying to appease the broader death metal crowd.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:27 pm 
 

Frank Booth wrote:
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I almost forgot about Abhomine, Proselyte Parasite Plague absolutely rips


Guess Pete isn't even trying to hide it now that there's no possibility of any future Angelcorpse shows. Also, it's petty, but taking him seriously is SO much harder when you've seen him in person and realized he's barely 5'4" or some shit and has to look up to talk to you.

Abhomine fucking sucks, and I'm saying this as someone who loves Order From Chaos, Angelcorpse, and even Kerasphorus. That first album put me to sleep, and I'm not gonna even bother with the follow up. Angelcorpse was already on their way to implode because Pete and Gene didn't get along - apparently, Angelcorpse was playing shows in SE Asia without Gene, and they played a Seattle show without Pete. But no surprise, Pete seems to have problems with all his old bandmates.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:46 pm 
 

So I guess that's two career suicides in one month. First Jon Schaffer, now Disma.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:06 pm 
 

Given the support that Inquisition (and Hate Forest) received with the last album, I would say that nazi/pedo/whatever band has the chance to get some degree of success from the edgelords.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:14 pm 
 

There's a reason why all of Pete's projects fail and it's not hard to figure out what it is. My feeling is that the Pissgrave dudes saw what everyone else who has ever been in a band with him has seen - there's no chance he's NOT the common denominator there.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:29 pm 
 

Thought this was the DSBM band from Hong Kong and got sad for a hot second there. Glad to hear it's just some forgettable death metal shit I'll never listen to.
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Given the support that Inquisition (and Hate Forest) received with the last album, I would say that nazi/pedo/whatever band has the chance to get some degree of success from the edgelords.

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EldritchSun wrote:
Given the support that Inquisition (and Hate Forest) received with the last album, I would say that nazi/pedo/whatever band has the chance to get some degree of success from the edgelords.


I'd agree with that if Disma were on the same level in death metal as Inquisition were in black metal when the Dagon stuff came out. Inquisition were one of the biggest black metal bands in the entire world by the time shit went down. Disma, on the other hand, released one album a full decade ago, and whatever hype they had from that album has long since dissipated. Yeah, racists will still listen to them, but they aren't gonna be seemingly welcomed back with open arms by a decent chunk of their fanbase the way Inquisition has.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:44 pm 
 

Plenty of people I know who aren't CHUDs still jam Towards the Megalith, but they wouldn't dare touch Disma after Daryl and Shaun quit or as a live entity. It is a genuinely great album that holds up, and Ruinous exists to scratch the post-Disma itch with people who aren't trash (plus more of Shaun's fantastic drumming).

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and Ruinous exists to scratch the post-Disma itch with people who aren't trash (plus more of Shaun's fantastic drumming).


Goddamn, how was I unaware that there was a band made up of the best parts of Funebrarum that left.
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Frank Booth wrote:
Ruinous


this sounds really fucking good thanks for bringing this to my attention

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wraithlike wrote:
Frank Booth wrote:
Ruinous


this sounds really fucking good thanks for bringing this to my attention

Ditto, I’d never heard of Ruinous before and they’re great
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:44 am 
 

Ruinous had a lot to live up to with the caliber of the personnel involved, but yes, they are excellent and their full-length was far better than that last EP Disma did.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:47 am 
 

Will have to check Ruinous. Always dug Funebrarum. I never got into Disma although I was digging many other albums too much to want to dedicate much time to their big release when it dropped
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EldritchSun wrote:
Given the support that Inquisition (and Hate Forest) received with the last album, I would say that nazi/pedo/whatever band has the chance to get some degree of success from the edgelords.


Some scenes are, sadly, more tolerant to that kind of stuff. Black metal is one of them. Nihilism, individualism, mysanthropy, etc. are all themes that are very common in black metal, and while these themes do not necessarly translate in all of the listeners lives, some people have all of these deeply rooted in personnal ideologies and ideals. Some fans maybe truly do not give a shit that Inquisition is fronted by a pedo. Some probably do not approve, but do not care enough for it to translate into not supporting the band or not listening to it.

The death metal scene, however, is a little less intense about it's themes and far less tainted by extreme nihilistic ideologies or far-right ideologies. I'm not sure Disma will be able to fare very well in the future. The fact that they now have to play shitty underground fascist gigs to be on festivals speaks for itself.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:58 pm 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
EldritchSun wrote:
Given the support that Inquisition (and Hate Forest) received with the last album, I would say that nazi/pedo/whatever band has the chance to get some degree of success from the edgelords.


Some scenes are, sadly, more tolerant to that kind of stuff. Black metal is one of them. Nihilism, individualism, mysanthropy, etc. are all themes that are very common in black metal, and while these themes do not necessarly translate in all of the listeners lives, some people have all of these deeply rooted in personnal ideologies and ideals. Some fans maybe truly do not give a shit that Inquisition is fronted by a pedo. Some probably do not approve, but do not care enough for it to translate into not supporting the band or not listening to it.

The death metal scene, however, is a little less intense about it's themes and far less tainted by extreme nihilistic ideologies or far-right ideologies. I'm not sure Disma will be able to fare very well in the future. The fact that they now have to play shitty underground fascist gigs to be on festivals speaks for itself.


i figured the logical endpoint of true nihilism would be suicide, not nazism. And individualism is just completely incompatible with fascism. And are you truly a misanthrope if you 'love the white race'?

I think the reality is that these people are just backwards fucking idiot swamp people. And I guess some people just don't care if that's who they're supporting. I think that shit's really gotta change.

ideally there would be no nazi festival lmao

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:10 pm 
 

Yeah, but you know that no more than thirty people are going to show up to it, and that's on the high end. Disma is a flash in the pan thanks mostly to their terrible choices as people and as a band and Abhomine has no drawing power because Pete is nothing without Gene and can't keep a band together.

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wraithlike wrote:
i figured the logical endpoint of true nihilism would be suicide, not nazism. And individualism is just completely incompatible with fascism. And are you truly a misanthrope if you 'love the white race'?

I think the reality is that these people are just backwards fucking idiot swamp people. And I guess some people just don't care if that's who they're supporting. I think that shit's really gotta change.

ideally there would be no nazi festival lmao


I should have gone are little more in depth in my last post, namely by listing a few more themes that are common with black metal. As you know, the right wing ideologies have been around since the infancy of the genre, and even more so with the birth of the second wave, especially in Norway. Without going in more depth as to why that is, it still makes sense that genres that originated with strong influences from fascism and satanism would end up with a fanbase that follow these ideals in one way or another. As for Fascism and individualism being incompatible, I have to disagree. Sure there is a strong sense of the community within fascist ideologies, but nazism, for instance, has a very strong cult of the individual and excellency and merit for indidivuals. Even if nazism puts the Nation as the center of it's core ideology, it's very much hierarchical and values the individual a lot. In black metal, individualism comes from Satanism for than fascism anyway.

As for nihilism, I don't know what to tell you... If "true nihilists" all killed themselves (or maybe they already did ? Haha) than nihilism wouldn't exist. I'm just saying you have to not give a fuck about humans, be a selfish dick, an immoral person or whatever to think it's fine to support a pedophile...

And yes, of course, there's shitty people everywhere. You have crappy people defending rappers, indie, folk and other musicians of doing shitty stuff all the time. All I meant is that some scenes are more accepting of some behaviors than others.

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HeavenDuff wrote:
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i figured the logical endpoint of true nihilism would be suicide, not nazism. And individualism is just completely incompatible with fascism. And are you truly a misanthrope if you 'love the white race'?

I think the reality is that these people are just backwards fucking idiot swamp people. And I guess some people just don't care if that's who they're supporting. I think that shit's really gotta change.

ideally there would be no nazi festival lmao


I should have gone are little more in depth in my last post, namely by listing a few more themes that are common with black metal. As you know, the right wing ideologies have been around since the infancy of the genre, and even more so with the birth of the second wave, especially in Norway. Without going in more depth as to why that is, it still makes sense that genres that originated with strong influences from fascism and satanism would end up with a fanbase that follow these ideals in one way or another. As for Fascism and individualism being incompatible, I have to disagree. Sure there is a strong sense of the community within fascist ideologies, but nazism, for instance, has a very strong cult of the individual and excellency and merit for indidivuals. Even if nazism puts the Nation as the center of it's core ideology, it's very much hierarchical and values the individual a lot. In black metal, individualism comes from Satanism for than fascism anyway.

As for nihilism, I don't know what to tell you... If "true nihilists" all killed themselves (or maybe they already did ? Haha) than nihilism wouldn't exist. I'm just saying you have to not give a fuck about humans, be a selfish dick, an immoral person or whatever to think it's fine to support a pedophile...

And yes, of course, there's shitty people everywhere. You have crappy people defending rappers, indie, folk and other musicians of doing shitty stuff all the time. All I meant is that some scenes are more accepting of some behaviors than others.


I think of the discrepancy between fascism and individualism is in that fascism is totalitarian. Maybe we're operating on different definitions of individualism here, because I feel like a cult of personality doesn't really embrace that notion of individualism either (especially not the sort of satanist individualism).

And yeah with nihilism I don't think anyone truly is nihilistic, that's just a cheap excuse to be a piece of shit. It's all farcical. Even a fascist affirms some kinds of values, backwards as they may be.

also I may have phrased that post a little poorly, I didn't mean to come off like I was attacking you or anything because it's very clear you're not condoning any of it and just trying to explain the heart of these ideologies and their relations to BM. I just think nazi black metallers are full of shit is all I'm saying.

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imo this craig pillard bloke sounds like a right cunt
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I havent really followed this guy's career at all; I remember him being the guy from Incantation way back when, but that's about all I really remember about him. Based on what I've learned since; yeah, the guy's an ass, and Disma does sound vaguely like early Incantation, but I sure as heck ain't gonna buy any of their stuff.

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That first album was a ripper but if he is spouting that stupid NS stuff.. yeah pass from me, I'll listen to it but I mean come on dude, are you really going to preach destructive shit like that and think its ok. Come on, get real.

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What a fuckin shitshow. I found Helmkamp's original facebook rant which is just embarrasing.

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andersbang wrote:
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Must have missed that, got a link?


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What a fuckin shitshow. I found Helmkamp's original facebook rant which is just embarrasing.


I unfriended Helmkamp on Facebook. Never meet your heroes (not really my hero but ahhhh you know what I mean, musicians you “respect”?).
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To me nihilism has always been a socialist philosophy but maybe thinking nothing matters including myself thus im not more important than others is not very standard in nihilism.

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So anyone see the brand new Facebook post about the festival they’re playing? They’ve doubled down on dumb and are railing against “cancel culture” by cancelling people who complain? Lol. These fucking boobs. I’m out.

https://www.facebook.com/100050575835731/posts/302972158065310/?d=n
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cultofkraken wrote:
So anyone see the brand new Facebook post about the festival they’re playing? They’ve doubled down on dumb and are railing against “cancel culture” by cancelling people who complain? Lol. These fucking boobs. I’m out.

https://www.facebook.com/100050575835731/posts/302972158065310/?d=n

How can they be so dumb? I still don't understand why they fired Craig when they all obviously think the same.

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Wow this band is retarded now.

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Gravetemplar wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
So anyone see the brand new Facebook post about the festival they’re playing? They’ve doubled down on dumb and are railing against “cancel culture” by cancelling people who complain? Lol. These fucking boobs. I’m out.

https://www.facebook.com/100050575835731/posts/302972158065310/?d=n

How can they be so dumb? I still don't understand why they fired Craig when they all obviously think the same.


I guess they decided to go all in on the dumbassery when they hired him back. It’s their own Simple Jack.
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Like that fest is even worth cancelling, no more than maybe thirty people will show up anyways. Disma is the only band on there with any sort of drawing power, and even then, their time passed LONG ago.

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cultofkraken wrote:
So anyone see the brand new Facebook post about the festival they’re playing? They’ve doubled down on dumb and are railing against “cancel culture” by cancelling people who complain? Lol. These fucking boobs. I’m out.

https://www.facebook.com/100050575835731/posts/302972158065310/?d=n


*Necrovore* is on that bill???? What, they seriously reform and play their first gig in over 30 years at this dumpsterfire of a fest? Seriously?

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FLIPPITYFLOOP wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
So anyone see the brand new Facebook post about the festival they’re playing? They’ve doubled down on dumb and are railing against “cancel culture” by cancelling people who complain? Lol. These fucking boobs. I’m out.

https://www.facebook.com/100050575835731/posts/302972158065310/?d=n


*Necrovore* is on that bill???? What, they seriously reform and play their first gig in over 30 years at this dumpsterfire of a fest? Seriously?


Yeah it’s a headscratcher.
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Droneführer :lol: :lol:
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FLIPPITYFLOOP wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
So anyone see the brand new Facebook post about the festival they’re playing? They’ve doubled down on dumb and are railing against “cancel culture” by cancelling people who complain? Lol. These fucking boobs. I’m out.

https://www.facebook.com/100050575835731/posts/302972158065310/?d=n


*Necrovore* is on that bill???? What, they seriously reform and play their first gig in over 30 years at this dumpsterfire of a fest? Seriously?


It's not really Necrovore. It's one dude who played bass with them for a few months, never recorded anything, but got himself a bunch of scabs and started pretending to be them.
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holy fuck that facebook thread is just embarrassing.

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And in the tradition of right wing manchildren who complain about "muh cancel culture", Disma have restricted comments on their post to keep any negative comments out.
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Did they cancelled cancel cancel culture? Shocked.

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Did they block me for making fun of them or have they deleted their FB page?
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lord_ghengis wrote:
Did they block me for making fun of them or have they deleted their FB page?


I can’t see it either so they either blocked us both or deleted the page.
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Had you posted? I made a gag about it being less embarrassing if they just shat their pants on stage so I kinda deserved it lol.
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