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at the gaytes
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:38 pm 
 

https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/dea ... ree-chords

After reading this interview, I was curious if there was more examples of bands trying this. The most notable case I can think of is Venom's At War With Satan. Sarcofago released both Inri and Laws of the Scourge, the most unsophisticated album on thrash's history and a semi-progressive piece with a lot of complex riffing (but I think they gradually improved their skills between those albums, instead of making an attempt at progressiveness at an immature state)

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Unorthodox
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:53 pm 
 

Brain Drill. No matter how many sweeps you put into your song, if you cant write a good structured song, it will sound like total shit.
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droneriot
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:29 pm 
 

at the gaytes wrote:
The most notable case I can think of is Venom's At War With Satan.

Even more notable I think is that famous tennis player from Denmark who spent years writing songs that he couldn't play.
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gasmask_colostomy
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:21 am 
 

droneriot wrote:
Even more notable I think is that famous tennis player from Denmark who spent years writing songs that he couldn't play.

We don't need to be reminded yet again that Boris Becker founded Motorhead.

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Vigintiseptem
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:34 am 
 

This might be a "hot take" of sorts, but Celtic Frost on Into the Pandemonium. (Surely "avantgarde" can be fit into the topic?) I wouldn't use the term non-musically-gifted, but that album shows a lot of ideas and too little ability and perhaps maturity to realize those ideas, the result being an awkward hodgepodge of... stuff.

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colin040
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:49 am 
 

Paradise Lost's ''Living With Scars'' has some sophisticated riffs which you really wouldn't expect from a band - I wish they tried more of this stuff.

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schizoid
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:21 am 
 

colin040 wrote:
Paradise Lost's ''Living With Scars'' has some sophisticated riffs which you really wouldn't expect from a band - I wish they tried more of this stuff.


I think you've just suggested the opposite of what the OP was asking. Besides, Paradise Lost have never been shabby musicians.

Good song nonetheless.
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blackmantram
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:36 am 
 

I think the only example I've got that fits OPs description is Battles in the North. Demonaz writting riffs he could barely play, and Abbath's hilarious drumming when he was obviously not quite ready yet (Not sure he ever was). The result: One of the most sloppy yet unique and memorable black metal albums in history.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:39 am 
 

Drumming on Battles in the North is sped up by 13%. On Pure Holocaust the entire album is sped up by 13%.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:47 pm 
 

gasmask_colostomy wrote:
droneriot wrote:
Even more notable I think is that famous tennis player from Denmark who spent years writing songs that he couldn't play.

We don't need to be reminded yet again that Boris Becker founded Motorhead.

I missed the joke here. Some help please?!
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The Crimson King
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:26 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
gasmask_colostomy wrote:
droneriot wrote:
Even more notable I think is that famous tennis player from Denmark who spent years writing songs that he couldn't play.

We don't need to be reminded yet again that Boris Becker founded Motorhead.

I missed the joke here. Some help please?!


It's a Lars Ulrich reference (the Danish tennis player).

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Dichemstys
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:12 pm 
 

droneriot wrote:
Drumming on Battles in the North is sped up by 13%. On Pure Holocaust the entire album is sped up by 13%.

Is that true? Listening back to Battles in the North, the cymbals really do sound higher pitched.

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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:09 pm 
 

Oh, ok. Still don't get why Boris Becker was called upon the topic though. :D
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amelanchier
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:18 pm 
 

Vigintiseptem wrote:
This might be a "hot take" of sorts, but Celtic Frost on Into the Pandemonium. (Surely "avantgarde" can be fit into the topic?) I wouldn't use the term non-musically-gifted, but that album shows a lot of ideas and too little ability and perhaps maturity to realize those ideas, the result being an awkward hodgepodge of... stuff.


Totally agree.

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Oxenkiller
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:17 pm 
 

I never really got into that one either. If Celtic Frost had stuck to what they did best- the "To Mega Therion" type of early death/proto black/doom metal, then the third full length (second if you discount "Morbid Tales" as being a full length) would have been awesome- but they were clearly bored with playing that style, and so they were perhaps a bit overly ambitious with "Into the Pandemonium."

Stylistically "Into the Pandemonium" is all over the place: You have a bit of gothic rock a la Sisters of Mercy, a bit grungy pop (a la Cold Lake style, like "I wont Dance" for example) a bit weird techno-ish whatever you call it ("One and their Pride") and a couple tracks a bit like the earlier stuff, but just not as good. The album was probably influential to a lot of bands that came afterward, but the ones influenced by it were ironically better at it.

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