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Subrick
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:04 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
EDIT: Here's another. This song (and a couple others on this album, like the title track) is pure modern groove metal:

Youtube: show


The title track I'd wager is more than just modern groove metal; It's the closest Slipknot have ever come to straight up death metal, even with the shoutalong chorus and big breakdowns throughout the last part of the song.

Youtube: show
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Vigintiseptem
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:13 am 
 

Does this qualify as an [sic] metal song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6HRuhVh2CE (CMX: Väkivallan moottorit)

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Morn Of Solace
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:38 am 
 

Pooh's "L'aquila e il falco" is a total oddity: it's a song on the light side of metal, but the fact that it came out of nowhere in 2010 from a 60's italian pop "rock" (using the term veeeery loosely) band is baffling

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ironman8008
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:50 am 
 

Endarkening wrote:
How have I not heard this before? A thousand thanks for posting!

You are welcome. They are great band btw even besides this connection to metal.

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Subverter
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:15 am 
 

Vigintiseptem wrote:
Does this qualify as an [sic] metal song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6HRuhVh2CE (CMX: Väkivallan moottorit)


I don't know, but that artwork is 10/10.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:07 pm 
 

Praying Mantis

Underrated as hell...


Youtube: show


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BURlAL
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:53 pm 
 

This is a really subjective topic.....

A lot of 70s rock sounds like metal to me even tho the artists/bands arent overall. It also comes down to 'heavy' and 'metal' because there is a difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83f_oVMPv4E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83f_oVMPv4E

'Heavier' than Priest/Maiden IMO.

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MorbidEarth
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:07 pm 
 

Earthshine wrote:
King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard have been releasing some very thrash influenced stuff recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtTi_uyYynA

I'd love to hear them record some really slow doom, they could definitely pull it off. Some Black Metal tracks would be awesome too but I don't know if they are into that. Anything they attempt turns out unreal though.


Thank you for posting that. I’ve been trying to get into this band for years and I think this record will finally be the one that does it for me. They’ve also released two other songs from it and they’re also very good. I’m really looking forward to checking this album out when it’s released next month.

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Oxenkiller
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:22 pm 
 

Endarkening wrote:
ironman8008 wrote:
how the bloody hell noone mentioned THIS?? guys were doing Judas Priest sound way before Judas Priest themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-RTCRPMoaQ


How have I not heard this before? A thousand thanks for posting!


This song got me into Heathen (the San Francisco band) who covered it- and did an MTV video for it back in 1987.
It's a great song from a great band- and of course Heathen was a great band back then too (not sure if theyre still around or not.)

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thrashinbatman
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:49 pm 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
Endarkening wrote:
ironman8008 wrote:
how the bloody hell noone mentioned THIS?? guys were doing Judas Priest sound way before Judas Priest themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-RTCRPMoaQ


How have I not heard this before? A thousand thanks for posting!


This song got me into Heathen (the San Francisco band) who covered it- and did an MTV video for it back in 1987.
It's a great song from a great band- and of course Heathen was a great band back then too (not sure if theyre still around or not.)

Heathen are, and they're supposed to be releasing an album either this year or next.


I'm also really surprised they've never heard Set Me Free, given it's been covered by Saxon, Heathen, Stryper, Vince Neil, etc. etc.

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:46 am 
 

blackmantram wrote:
Obligatory mention to the thrash metal song by sum 41. (it is even mentioned in the rules). Just for the record.

Youtube: show


Sum 41 always have had metal sensibilities.

Remember the short bonus track Pain For Pleasure on All Killer No Filler?

Youtube: show

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Rocka_Rollas
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:21 am 
 

MegaMal wrote:
The Offspring - The Meaning of Life. Banging riffs.

Youtube: show


What exactly is metal about those riffs? Absolutely nothing to my ears.

It's just NYC hardcore punk-style chords.
Compare the Offspring song to some old HC band like Minor Threat
Youtube: show


There's nothing metal about either of these songs riffs



Then we could argue about this being a UK82 hardcore punk song instead, because it's also open chords:
Youtube: show


Actually this sounds a lot like Discharge:
Youtube: show




BUT... The Grave Digger song is obvsiouly a METAL Song while Discharge is hardcore punk.

The Offspring is a POP PUNK song, with some NYC hardcore punk influences. No metal.



Just wanted to make a point why the Offspring song has no place in this thread, that's all :lol:

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peterott
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:55 am 
 

New Light Choir

A good mixture of first Bathory, old Zemial, NWoBHM and some other outer Metal influences. Don't know why this band is not here:

Frost And Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-P-xtkUH0
Darkest Of Nights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYI_b265s-k
Firebird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbdRVzsIOdA
Psalm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKs7jvPMMg
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Crescent_Moon
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:21 am 
 

I never understood why this band can't be considered as metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de8Asalh4h4

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:29 am 
 

Crescent_Moon wrote:
I never understood why this band can't be considered as metal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de8Asalh4h4

This song sounds pretty heavily influenced by modern hardcore to me. There’s a couple metal riffs but I wouldn’t say they’re the bulk of the music here.
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Everflowingstream
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:36 am 
 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s-e82PK8wfM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CP3W3QmCQeU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skuSBWWmqrw

Funny how a band which played prototype Euro power metal aren't in but bands like the following are -

https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Fo ... 3540360008

I've got the Fortress cds and they are heavy rock at best. First world problems.

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Twisted_Psychology
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:39 am 
 

peterott wrote:
New Light Choir

A good mixture of first Bathory, old Zemial, NWoBHM and some other outer Metal influences. Don't know why this band is not here:

Frost And Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-P-xtkUH0
Darkest Of Nights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYI_b265s-k
Firebird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbdRVzsIOdA
Psalm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKs7jvPMMg


I remember wondering why they weren't on the Archives when I heard their most recent album but it's great stuff either way. I hadn't realized blackened protometal was a thing that I wanted.
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DeadKid
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:59 am 
 

1989 - Take My Hand (also on Spotify for those who can't access the YouTube). Album is mostly hard rock but this song sticks out.

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CannibalCorpse
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:05 pm 
 

blackmantram wrote:
Obligatory mention to the thrash metal song by sum 41. (it is even mentioned in the rules). Just for the record.

Youtube: show




Had almost forgotten this one. It's also a hundred times better than anything by bands like Muncipal Waste.

They were pretty good at this.
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Gravetemplar
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:17 pm 
 

Aluk Todolo have a black metal song. They are not in the archives.

https://youtu.be/ow1g4xd7gTM

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Endarkening
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:16 pm 
 

STARLIT "Ataraxis" is an ambient black metal album, very atmospheric, spacey, dreamy, hypnotic...
Perhaps it's the lack of vocals that make them (him) unworthy of joining MA, or maybe it's just too ambient? There's definitely some stuff on the album that's not metal, but some that I consider as such.
Anyway, judge for thyself. Great music regardless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg5OLKZldHM&t=13s

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:06 am 
 

Much of Protest the Hero's Scurrilous is pretty much flashy progressive metal bordering on tech-thrash, somewhere between Realm/Toxik and Spiral Architect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJuPs1bzSk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYjVknszUjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOYLMmvjGk4

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:16 pm 
 

"Extremities, dirt and various repressed emotions" by Killing Joke

More metal than many other albums deeprooted in the genre, this one contains blastbeats, grind parts, death metal, thrash metal within, a great listening extreme pleasure I highly recommend.

Killing Joke never been a metal band.
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KrigareTjovane
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:37 pm 
 

As far as The Bitter End by Sum 41 goes, the song itself is *really* nothing special on its own. At best it's decent filler thrash. HOWEVER...

Listening to it in the context of the whole album? It's pretty goddamn amazing. It's such a great contrast and it adds dimensional character that otherwise wouldn't be there. It's definitely a song that is strengthened by the full album experience. I've always loved Chuck though so perhaps I'm biased.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:05 am 
 

I_Crash_and_Burn wrote:
"Extremities, dirt and various repressed emotions" by Killing Joke

More metal than many other albums deeprooted in the genre, this one contains blastbeats, grind parts, death metal, thrash metal within, a great listening extreme pleasure I highly recommend.

Killing Joke never been a metal band.


Agreed. However, the "Pylon" album has plenty of very Metal moments, as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:13 pm 
 

peterott wrote:
New Light Choir

A good mixture of first Bathory, old Zemial, NWoBHM and some other outer Metal influences. Don't know why this band is not here:

Frost And Fire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba-P-xtkUH0
Darkest Of Nights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYI_b265s-k
Firebird: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbdRVzsIOdA
Psalm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyKs7jvPMMg



You, sir, just introduced me to my new favorite music. cheers.


MutantClannfear wrote:
This came to mind for me:

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KMFDM is rriddled with thrashy riffs, mostly to accompany a more straightforward Industrial/techno song, but sometimes, like Drug against War, they channel it alot more. WWIII is one of these. Pretty much a thrashy speedmetal song + Nice southern intro :P:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:56 pm 
 

jimbies wrote:
I_Crash_and_Burn wrote:
"Extremities, dirt and various repressed emotions" by Killing Joke

More metal than many other albums deeprooted in the genre, this one contains blastbeats, grind parts, death metal, thrash metal within, a great listening extreme pleasure I highly recommend.

Killing Joke never been a metal band.


Agreed. However, the "Pylon" album has plenty of very Metal moments, as well.

The_Apex_of_Collapse wrote:
MutantClannfear wrote:
This came to mind for me:

Youtube: show


KMFDM is rriddled with thrashy riffs, mostly to accompany a more straightforward Industrial/techno song, but sometimes, like Drug against War, they channel it alot more. WWIII is one of these. Pretty much a thrashy speedmetal song + Nice southern intro :P:

Youtube: show

To be fair, there's a lot of metal that isn't included in the archives: some industrial metal, most nu metal, etc.

This song is clearly metal too (maybe even the whole album). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6QLzBSTUEg

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MutantClannfear
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:42 pm 
 

False. All bands that have a predominantly metal album that was validly released and distributed are already here.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:59 pm 
 

Quote:
As far as The Bitter End by Sum 41 goes, the song itself is *really* nothing special on its own. At best it's decent filler thrash. HOWEVER...

Listening to it in the context of the whole album? It's pretty goddamn amazing. It's such a great contrast and it adds dimensional character that otherwise wouldn't be there. It's definitely a song that is strengthened by the full album experience. I've always loved Chuck though so perhaps I'm biased.


Weirdly, the album they released just this week tried to go back in that direction for the first time since. No real full metal songs a la The Bitter End, but a bunch of Kirk Hammett-worship solos thrown in there at least.

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KrigareTjovane
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:05 pm 
 

Was just reminded of this song, and it's not really what the thread's for, but it's metal as fuck in a place you might not expect it to be.

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Vadara
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:37 pm 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
False. All bands that have a predominantly metal album that was validly released and distributed are already here.


There are countless random shitty bedroom BM bands and 70's-90's bands in general I can guarantee you aren't on here because they released like one demo or EP and vanished off the face of the earth. Nevermind that you guys have a specific definition of metal that intentionally excludes a bunch of at least metal-adjacent genres like djent and -core, even the ones which aren't predominantly hardcore, for better or for worse. I don't really care about that (I'm not interested in a "but [BAND] is metal!" pissing fight), but you guys aren't the ultimate arbiter of what counts as Metal, and you even admit as much yourselves.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:20 am 
 

Vadara wrote:
MutantClannfear wrote:
False. All bands that have a predominantly metal album that was validly released and distributed are already here.


Nevermind that you guys have a specific definition of metal that intentionally excludes a bunch of at least metal-adjacent genres like djent and -core, even the ones which aren't predominantly hardcore, for better or for worse. I don't really care about that (I'm not interested in a "but [BAND] is metal!" pissing fight), but you guys aren't the ultimate arbiter of what counts as Metal, and you even admit as much yourselves.

Pretty much this. I don't care that some bands aren't here for whatever reason but some of those bands are definitely metal.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:06 am 
 

My comment was tongue-in-cheek.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:36 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
My comment was tongue-in-cheek.

Ah, I'm sorry then. Irony is difficult to pick up sometimes when written.

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BURlAL
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:03 am 
 

MutantClannfear wrote:
False. All bands that have a predominantly metal album that was validly released and distributed are already here.


Its subjective...but you are wrong.

Just off the top of my head Alice Cooper in the 80s was clearly glam metal.

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Everflowingstream
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:25 am 
 

BURlAL wrote:
MutantClannfear wrote:
False. All bands that have a predominantly metal album that was validly released and distributed are already here.


Its subjective...but you are wrong.

Just off the top of my head Alice Cooper in the 80s was clearly glam metal.


Yes. Especially on RYFAY.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:55 am 
 

Youtube: show
I feel like screaming out my anger to those mods for not including this band.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:08 am 
 

nightbreaker33 wrote:
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I feel like screaming out my anger to those mods for not including this band.


I previously didn't give a shit for Europe, but you are correct, this is an outrage. Butt rockers like Def Leppard get included, and stuff like Mr. Bungle has about 30 seconds of metal in their actual discography that somehow qualifies them (yeah yeah, fuzzy "death metal" demos...) are included.

Start the petition.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:58 am 
 

Europe is awesome, but they don't really have an album that is metal enough throughout. Say what you want about Def leapard but their first album(s) was nwobhm enough to make it here, and I agree.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:13 pm 
 

Fuck sake guys it was an obvious joke and clearly not what the thread is for.

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