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PieDirsas
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:33 pm 
 

Hello everyone, this is my first topic here. Today I checked Fear Factory page here in the archives and I saw that the status has been changed to "disputed", is there any information on this? I really was hoping for the Monolith to be released, as I really loved Genexus and I was really curious where the next album could take us, but it seems like it will not happen in the near future.

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lordcatfish
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:27 pm 
 

Have a read around on the FF reddit page, you should get an idea of what seems to be going on. Some links below to start off.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FearFactory/comments/dciiqf/rip_ff/
https://www.reddit.com/r/FearFactory/comments/dd3wf7/ff_lawsuit_file/
https://www.reddit.com/r/FearFactory/comments/chfyn7/wheres_the_new_album/
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matras
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:22 am 
 

Who needs Fear Factory when you've got Conflict from Russia? FF-clone that's far better than the original thing.

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GrievousII
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:56 am 
 

Yeah...

I'd rather stick with the original myself.
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rexxz
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:41 am 
 

matras wrote:
Who needs Fear Factory when you've got Conflict from Russia? FF-clone that's far better than the original thing.


Sorry... not even close for me. Way more prefer Fear Factory over this band.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:57 am 
 

One of the Reddit comments noted that if they are really done this time, at least they went out on a high note with Genexus. I'd have to agree with that. Genexus was solid. Still, sad that this band has such a history of this.
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Bingewolf
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:26 am 
 

I am not a Fear Factory fan but I had seen some recent stories about Dino having major problems. I recall one of them being a divorce and I want to say the other thing I saw was financial in nature but it’s been a bit (and I don’t follow the band) so it slips my mind.

My point being that, all things considered, you have to feel bad for the guy. It seems like everything around him is imploding and, from meeting him a couple times over the years, he seemed like a total sweetheart.

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MorbidEngel
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:23 pm 
 

It all stems from Burton really not being able to get over things it seems. Seems they never recovered from how the band fragmented during and after Digimortal.
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ThStealthK
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:39 pm 
 

This is the year of the disputed bands ?
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GrievousII
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:49 pm 
 

You know...For years thought Fear Factory had a bigger following than they actually do...
and that possibly because I live in Australia...and the band has always been "over" here
to a large degree.

I've been listening to the band since Demanufacture & I've always thought they should
have been bigger...with a larger audience & more exposure...but perhaps that's just me
being a fanboy.

I do hope the current issues "plaguing" the band can be resolved...but if not...Genexus
was a great album to go out on.
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PieDirsas
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:06 am 
 

I do hope the current issues "plaguing" the band can be resolved...but if not...Genexus
was a great album to go out on.[/quote]
After reading those reddit posts, it seems like it's not possible anymore. It's really sad how things have turned out this way. Fear Factory is my favourite band, love all of their releases, yeah even Transgression, and Genexus was truly amazing, it felt like a true succesor to Demanufacture and Obsolete. Maybe someday the Monolith will be leaked on the web, hopefully :D

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rexxz
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:03 pm 
 

MorbidEngel wrote:
It all stems from Burton really not being able to get over things it seems. Seems they never recovered from how the band fragmented during and after Digimortal.



If you read any of the stuff about it on reddit you'd know it has absolutely nothing to do with that.
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MorbidEngel
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:10 pm 
 

To be fair, I hadn't.
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Paganbasque
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:37 am 
 

According to Dino´s comments and what other people imply the problem would be between him(and Burton maybe) and the ex-components Ramond and Christians. Its all about money and all the sh*t around layers.

I also understand that the new album was recorded long time ago, but it hasn´t been released due to these legal disputes. Burton even shared a album title and album artwork, though Dino said he knew nothing about a supposed new album.

Weird things, indeed. I hope they can solve them and return with another great album.

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ambientsorrow
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:40 pm 
 

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Pitiless Wanderer
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:15 pm 
 

Did anyone watch the Facebook Interview with Dino from a few weeks back? He said the album was written and legal issues were holding up its release, as we all knew to be true. But then he also said that he would "never play with those guys again"...? Was he referring to Christian, Raymond only, or Burt also??

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Deathstalker1985
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:13 pm 
 

I'm pretty sure he is talking about Christian and Raymond only. It seems pretty obvious to me since that is who they're currenty battling with legal issues. Also the fact that the last time all 4 last appeared together on an album was Digimortal, nearly 20 years ago.

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Pitiless Wanderer
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:29 pm 
 

ok. I didn't know the status of his relationship with Burton at this point.

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SculptedCold
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:49 am 
 

It's all such a huge shame. I preferred FF when Wolbers took over a lot of the songwriting over the more recent Cazares material. And no-one can replace Herrera. I was pretty fond of Archetype and the heavy songs from Transgression, especially following the dubious Digimortal and Cazares' departure. And then there is/was the truly awful Divine Heresy.... so i've been lukewarm on FF since the departure of Wolbers and Herrera/return of Dino.

and hearing about the young girls thing? Ew. I'm just glad I wasn't a contemporary fan of the guy, even if early FF albums are still dear to me.

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Pitiless Wanderer
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:26 am 
 

Interesting. I lost interest when Dino left and Wolbers took over.

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Lord_Jotun
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:04 pm 
 

As much as I hate saying this, considering how much this band meant to me when I was dipping my toes into more extreme metal (and how much I still love most of their records)... if this is it, it may be just as well.

I really liked Genexus, but let's face it: Raymond and Christian are long gone, Dino seems to have his own problems to handle, and Burton's voice is wrecked. He was never the most precise or consistent vocalist on stage, I know, but any recordings from the Genexus tour are dreadful to hear.
On top of that, you've got the ongoing bitter feud between the two camps.

Maybe it's time to let it go. My heart doesn't want to say farewell, but my mind can't envisage anything good coming out of this.
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Pitiless Wanderer
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:05 pm 
 

I'd be ok if they called it quits but only after releasing the already finished album. It would be a shame for fans not to get that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:42 am 
 

SculptedCold wrote:
and hearing about the young girls thing?


The what?
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Pitiless Wanderer
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:17 am 
 

Yeah, I haven't heard about the young girls....? I know Dino used to brag about how much he loved watching porn...did he do something perverted?? Fuck I hope not.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:10 am 
 

Someone earlier in the thread knows someone who knows someone who knows something. I tend to discount such hearsay until there's something more concrete than just vague insinuations, people are way too quick these days to slander others. Sometimes it's true and serious (Weinstein, Cosby, etc.), but too many people have their reputations ruined over what turns out to be minor things, or sometimes nothing at all.

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matras
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:34 am 
 

I hadn't listened to them for a while and just checked out some post-2010 live stuff on youtube, and holy fuck Burton's vocals are shot.

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Gunslinger21
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:50 am 
 

Hey what is the best albums to listen to from FF?

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MorbidEngel
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:03 pm 
 

Depends on what you're looking for.

If you want their death metal material, go for Concrete if you want it heavier or Soul of a New Machine if you want it less heavy but faster.
If you want their later stuff, Demanufacture or Obsolete, depending on if you want it faster and a little less industrial, or not as fast but a bit more varied and more industrial.
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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:20 pm 
 

Or Mechanize if you want something similar in vibe to the 90s albums, but a little more modern in production style.

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Pitiless Wanderer
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:31 pm 
 

It actually doesn't depend. Demanufacture is the best FF record, hands down and by a large margin.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:04 pm 
 

Cheers to that. It almost single-handedly brought me into extreme metal.

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lordcatfish
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:31 pm 
 

I'd give Obsolete the edge over Demanufacture. Both amazing albums though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:29 pm 
 

Just watched some recent (last 5 years) live videos and damn...you guys weren't kidding, Burton's voice is gone. He can't do anything anymore, the scream is completely fried and he can't stay in key to save his life - his voice is constantly squeaking and cracking. He can't even pull off the opening "HUH!!!" for Replica, it sounds like he awkwardly sneezed or something :lol:. Really pathetic and sad to watch, especially because he was one of my first vocal influences. I guess age gets to everyone eventually, though at the same time he's younger than John Tardy, Glen Benton, David Vincent, Piotr Wiwczarek, and Chris Reifert all of whom have been doing it longer and are holding up fine. I wonder if it's improper technique or just not taking care of your voice that's contributed to his decline?
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Substantia_Nigrae
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:50 pm 
 

Does anybody like the electronic remixes? I thought 'Fear is the mind killer' and 'Re-manufacture' were both brilliant and I have enjoyed both immensely even to a greater degree than the actual albums they were the remixes of.
Anyways, Obsolete had been the last album of theirs I purchased and listened to, after which I lost interest.

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SculptedCold
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:53 am 
 

Pitiless Wanderer wrote:
It actually doesn't depend. Demanufacture is the best FF record, hands down and by a large margin.


Nah. Obsolete. Hands down. More varied. More inventive. Less repetitive. A through narrative. Better bonus tracks.

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MorbidEngel
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:46 am 
 

Both are probably their finest post-Soul of a New Machine works. Obsolete isn't as heavy/fast as Demanufacture though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:19 am 
 

Substantia_Nigrae wrote:
Does anybody like the electronic remixes? I thought 'Fear is the mind killer' and 'Re-manufacture' were both brilliant and I have enjoyed both immensely even to a greater degree than the actual albums they were the remixes of.


I haven't listened to them in a long time, but I remember thinking they were just ok, FitMK being the better of the two. I prefer going to actual electro-industrial music, Front Line Assembly, for example, since Rhys Fulber from them has worked a lot with FF.

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Lord_Jotun
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:32 pm 
 

I'd heard that Burton actually injured his vocal cords, does anyone know anything more about it? That would certainly explain the catastrophic deterioration... I mean, everybody ages, and he's never been in the Ronnie James Dio league, but I was shocked by what I heard when I sampled some recent live videos. On the chorus on Body Hammer he doesn't even get close to the right notes, it's appalling :(
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matras
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:49 pm 
 

Yeah he injured his voice. But as a vocalist you can come back from that. Thing is that the voice is an instrument you have to take care of even when not touring, and it's pretty clear that his problems comes from not doing that, and perhaps combined with a self injuring technique.

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LithoJazzoSphere
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:18 pm 
 

Let's be honest though, even in his "prime" he was never a great clean vocalist. He may have helped originate the growled verses/clean choruses dynamic, but like Rob Flynn, he's always struggled live, and it's just with the help of studio magic, multiple takes and such that he's sounded acceptable on their albums.

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