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As was mentioned, there is obviously some crossover - just like South American fans or even the Mexican NSBM scene in Southern California

Bingewolf wrote:

As was mentioned, there is obviously some crossover - just like South American fans or even the Mexican NSBM scene in Southern California

Born and raised in SoCal here, and am well educated in the scene: you're either misinformed or full of shit, there is no "Mexican NSBM" here. If there was, it got stomped out a decade ago. Maggot Stomp and 20 Buck Spin are making the rounds around here apart from Church Of The 8th Day. Don't even try mentioning the Black Twilight Circle, it's all straight up Mexican deity worship.

This thread made me give Arghoslent a spin again and I don't remember Incorrigible Bigotry being this good. I know there was an album that bored the hell out of me though.

Bingewolf wrote:

As was mentioned, there is obviously some crossover - just like South American fans or even the Mexican NSBM scene in Southern California

What I like about Arghoslent past the riffs is composition too, the songs don't just feel like a disjointed riff salad, and vocals are used very well and not just barked randomly.

Kerpak wrote:

What I like about Arghoslent past the riffs is composition too, the songs don't just feel like a disjointed riff salad, and vocals are used very well and not just barked randomly.

What would you consider their best album? I have Incorrigible Bigotry laying around somewhere but never had the chance to listen to it.

Kerpak wrote:

What I like about Arghoslent past the riffs is composition too, the songs don't just feel like a disjointed riff salad, and vocals are used very well and not just barked randomly.

What would you consider their best album? I have Incorrigible Bigotry laying around somewhere but never had the chance to listen to it.

All 3 are contender for their best. The debut is the closest to both death metal and heavy metal depending which angle you look from. I think the 2nd album is the best place to start, but all three are worth checking out.

I know you're not talking to me, but I'll chime in anyway - can't speak for the rest of their discography but that album is very blasé and dull, really not worth your time and you haven't missed anything. It's very superficial, style over substance shit without much going for it - very unimpressive all around. Even the riffs people rave on and on about are really nothing special, in my opinion...

TheMysticWombat wrote:

I think a few "Odio Bronce Resistance" bands are from California too and those dudes are straight up nazis. They have a compilation called Frente Pagano Nacional Socialista Compilation O.N.S.P. and at least Maquahuitl and a few other projects are from there.

The BTC may not be NSBM but they have connections with fash bands and Operation Werewolf. Members of Odio Bronce play in BTC bands too.

Just here to comment on the fact that being a Nazi is the least metal thing ever. Being a pro-tyranny drone should get your metalhead card revoked (talking about the actual musicians here, for any listeners who might get their knickers all bunched up reading this). All political and moral issues aside, I have never stopped being amazed at the fact that some people don't get migraine-inducing cognitive dissonance at the notion of spouting this kind of stuff while playing music born from counter-culture, freedom of expression and rebellion. Few things can be further from being a goose-stepper than that.

It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Even if I didn't have a low opinion of Nazis as it is, it would make it very hard for me to respect this stuff, just on the basis of artistic merit.

The mexican NSBM scene is mostly anti-white, anti-judeo-christian, pro-mexica type of "nazism". They actually despise all things indo-european as far as I'm concerned (except the black metal part I guess...). The black twilight circle bands, naturally, have a strong ideological connection with this movement, even if they are not directly involved with it.

blackmantram wrote:

Yet if you go to El Chopo in Mexico City you'll find metalheads selling swastika flags and copies of Mein Kampf. I once even saw a dude in full SS uniform. There's a huge swath of that scene that either considers themselves part of the indo-european elite, or are just completely ignorant to what nazism actually is and thing it's a cool, edgy aesthetic they should adopt without understanding any of the implications.

Xlxlx wrote:

This is wildly off-topic, but while I agree with your statement in 99% of cases, I'm going to have to make a huge exception for Antestor, those guys were/are the real deal. Not only do they somehow make the lyrics fit with the music (unlike the goofy contrarian wankery of Horde), but they were also neck-deep in the chaos of the 90's scene in Scandinavia- Euronymous verbally expressed a wish to see all the members dead, but he himself was offed shortly after.

Xlxlx wrote:

Oh man, have you ever heard of Evroklidon? They were a Ukrainian band that somehow managed to fall into both camps: they started as an "unblack" metal band, then they became fucking Nazis and became an NSBM band, then "repented" and became Christians again. Utterly insane.

Antestor I don't know much about, but honestly, considering how fucking crazy some people were in that particular scene, during that particular time period, I don't doubt they at least had some big cojones, going off what you're saying. I might check them out.

It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Even if I didn't have a low opinion of Nazis as it is, it would make it very hard for me to respect this stuff, just on the basis of artistic merit.

Xlxlx wrote:

even if this kind of music and the people who make it will probably be on the list of the undesired things in an actual regime

narsilianshard wrote:

blackmantram wrote:

Yeah, and the Black Twilight Circle played a show at the Operation Werewolf camp with another nazi black metal band, Baise ma hache. How can they be "anti-white" and play at a white supremacy show?

Odio Bronze also has a project called "Terror 88". They don't "despise all things indo-european", otherwise they woulnd't have a band that has a Heil Hitler in the name.

That's the same argument as "I cannot be a nazi because I have black friends" but pointing to the other side. How can, then, those Ulfheim Wov guys (whatever that is) and/pr baise ma hache be actual pro-white people when they're hanging out with mexicans?
Yeah, I know these guys are completely inconsistent. What I said about mexican NSBM scene being anti-white and stuff is based on their lyrics and promoted ideals (at least, the ones I've heard and know), but that doesn't mean they follow their own rules.
My point is, being extremely nit-picky with these things is kind of pointless, specially when the artists themselves don't even take it very seriously.

blackmantram wrote:

You never heard of Indian Waffen SS legion? And I'm not talking about Indian volunteers in the Wehrmacht, but proper Waffen SS.

Aldrahn333 wrote:

blackmantram wrote:

You never heard of Indian Waffen SS legion? And I'm not talking about Indian volunteers in the Wehrmacht, but proper Waffen SS.

Fascism is both opportunistic and ideologically incoherent. In Eastern Europe, Slavic people collaborated with the Nazis when they believed they were only going after Jews, causing a lot of confusion when the Nazis proved that they did, in fact, want to purge the continent of Poles, Ukrainians, and Russians as well.

Idk, sounds a lot like you're trying to muddle Nazism and make it a "gray issue", bro

You never heard of Indian Waffen SS legion? And I'm not talking about Indian volunteers in the Wehrmacht, but proper Waffen SS.

Idk, sounds a lot like you're trying to muddle Nazism and make it a "gray issue", bro

http://weltenfeind.com/arghoslent

The new album it titled "Resuscitation of the Revanchists"

"The recording of the new album, which had been delayed due to the global plague, the closing of our borders, and the stripping of our liberty, is finished. Expect nothing but the worst in due time. Album will be available when it shows up in our P.O. Box; official release dates are for nerds. And, in case you're stupid enough to even consider asking, the answer is "No!"."

Goatfangs wrote:

who gives a shit

lots of people, apparently. 5 page thread, hello.

Hopefully it's better than Kohanic Charmers, which--face it--was a bit of a letdown. Not BAD but 100% the worst GBK full length.

Author:	Maco097 [ Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:01 pm ]
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Really can't wait for this. Arghoslent is amazing and I'll make sure to grab a CD of the album.

Author:	TheMysticWombat [ Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:05 am ]
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Bingewolf wrote: As was mentioned, there is obviously some crossover - just like South American fans or even the Mexican NSBM scene in Southern California Born and raised in SoCal here, and am well educated in the scene: you're either misinformed or full of shit, there is no "Mexican NSBM" here. If there was, it got stomped out a decade ago. Maggot Stomp and 20 Buck Spin are making the rounds around here apart from Church Of The 8th Day. Don't even try mentioning the Black Twilight Circle, it's all straight up Mexican deity worship. This thread made me give Arghoslent a spin again and I don't remember Incorrigible Bigotry being this good. I know there was an album that bored the hell out of me though.

Author:	Gravetemplar [ Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:48 am ]
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TheMysticWombat wrote: Bingewolf wrote: As was mentioned, there is obviously some crossover - just like South American fans or even the Mexican NSBM scene in Southern California Born and raised in SoCal here, and am well educated in the scene: you're either misinformed or full of shit, there is no "Mexican NSBM" here. If there was, it got stomped out a decade ago. Maggot Stomp and 20 Buck Spin are making the rounds around here apart from Church Of The 8th Day. Don't even try mentioning the Black Twilight Circle, it's all straight up Mexican deity worship. This thread made me give Arghoslent a spin again and I don't remember Incorrigible Bigotry being this good. I know there was an album that bored the hell out of me though. I think a few "Odio Bronce Resistance" bands are from California too and those dudes are straight up nazis. They have a compilation called Frente Pagano Nacional Socialista Compilation O.N.S.P. and at least Maquahuitl and a few other projects are from there. The BTC may not be NSBM but they have connections with fash bands and Operation Werewolf. Members of Odio Bronce play in BTC bands too.

Author:	Kerpak [ Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:28 am ]
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This is really good news, I was waiting for that for a few years now since they mentioned working on it. Just saw that it's confirmed for 2020. House of Atreus have a couple tracks (Bastards on the Hillside and Madness of Ixion) that approach Arghoslent in quality while at the same time sounding unique to their own sound, but they're still not there yet. Hopefully with time they will solidify their style even more and craft more masterful riffs. Other bands that are sort of similar are Sacriphyx and Armoured Angel, but both mostly consist of much simpler riffs and ideas. Sacriphyx do execute the atmosphere/mood they went for perfectly though, but the lyrics are a bit amateurish. I think another mild comparison (might be stretching it) of heavy metal riffs coated in an extreme metal coat would be Samael - Ceremony of Opposites, but it is a much more midpaced album and again the riffs aren't as inventive. What I like about Arghoslent past the riffs is composition too, the songs don't just feel like a disjointed riff salad, and vocals are used very well and not just barked randomly. Some of the riffs on Hornets of the Pogrom are seemingly easy to play but when you look at them they look like they took a lot of inventiveness to think of, especially in the bigger scheme of a song.

Author:	Bingewolf [ Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:39 pm ]
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TheMysticWombat wrote: Bingewolf wrote: As was mentioned, there is obviously some crossover - just like South American fans or even the Mexican NSBM scene in Southern California Born and raised in SoCal here, and am well educated in the scene: you're either misinformed or full of shit, there is no "Mexican NSBM" here. If there was, it got stomped out a decade ago. Maggot Stomp and 20 Buck Spin are making the rounds around here apart from Church Of The 8th Day. Don't even try mentioning the Black Twilight Circle, it's all straight up Mexican deity worship. This thread made me give Arghoslent a spin again and I don't remember Incorrigible Bigotry being this good. I know there was an album that bored the hell out of me though. Ummm, Nokturnal Warfare would like to have a word with you pal. And yes, Black Twilight Circle does count too. Google "Aztec Nazis" and you will see that there are plenty of Mexican Nazi bands - and Asian Nazi bands too. And yes, many are based in SoCal. BHotL has ties. Volahn has ties. These are not hard things to connect. Just last year, Volahn/Nyog/Intolitarian played a show at the Wolves of Vinland compound. When you're talking about 20 Buck Spin and Church of the 8th Day, you are talking about legitimate mainstream metal organizations. Of course they aren't going to put on nazi bands but to act like that means there is not a well-known scene in SoCal is to be "misinformed or full of shit".

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Author:	~Guest 282118 [ Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:45 pm ]
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Just here to comment on the fact that being a Nazi is the least metal thing ever. Being a pro-tyranny drone should get your metalhead card revoked (talking about the actual musicians here, for any listeners who might get their knickers all bunched up reading this). All political and moral issues aside, I have never stopped being amazed at the fact that some people don't get migraine-inducing cognitive dissonance at the notion of spouting this kind of stuff while playing music born from counter-culture, freedom of expression and rebellion. Few things can be further from being a goose-stepper than that. It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Even if I didn't have a low opinion of Nazis as it is, it would make it very hard for me to respect this stuff, just on the basis of artistic merit.

Author:	Nothingface [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:50 am ]
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Kerpak wrote: What I like about Arghoslent past the riffs is composition too, the songs don't just feel like a disjointed riff salad, and vocals are used very well and not just barked randomly. What would you consider their best album? I have Incorrigible Bigotry laying around somewhere but never had the chance to listen to it.

Author:	true_death [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:25 am ]
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Nothingface wrote: Kerpak wrote: What I like about Arghoslent past the riffs is composition too, the songs don't just feel like a disjointed riff salad, and vocals are used very well and not just barked randomly. What would you consider their best album? I have Incorrigible Bigotry laying around somewhere but never had the chance to listen to it. I know you're not talking to me, but I'll chime in anyway - can't speak for the rest of their discography but that album is very blasé and dull, really not worth your time and you haven't missed anything. It's very superficial, style over substance shit without much going for it - very unimpressive all around. Even the riffs people rave on and on about are really nothing special, in my opinion...

Author:	Kerpak [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:57 am ]
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Nothingface wrote: Kerpak wrote: What I like about Arghoslent past the riffs is composition too, the songs don't just feel like a disjointed riff salad, and vocals are used very well and not just barked randomly. What would you consider their best album? I have Incorrigible Bigotry laying around somewhere but never had the chance to listen to it. All 3 are contender for their best. The debut is the closest to both death metal and heavy metal depending which angle you look from. I think the 2nd album is the best place to start, but all three are worth checking out. I disagree with it being style over substance, songs are carefully crafted with every element taken into consideration including the vocals, this applies to all albums but moreso the latter 2. The third one is more "simple" from the perspective of playing those riffs yourself but the riffs are very inventive, and everything is cohesive. I think people who criticize their musicality either don't enjoy this style of more consonant ('melodic') metal or are just being dishonest for obvious reasons (including going as far as lying to themselves to justify disliking the band), you can see the mental gymnastics at play in this thread.

Author:	jugchord07 [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:44 am ]
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The debut is probably my favorite but I'm always a sucker for debuts. Hornets is amazing imo though as well and probably the best album to jam first. All of their releases are top tier for me though

Author:	Nothingface [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:55 am ]
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Kerpak wrote: All 3 are contender for their best. The debut is the closest to both death metal and heavy metal depending which angle you look from. I think the 2nd album is the best place to start, but all three are worth checking out. I appreciate the rundown. If I knew they were going to be banned from every platform, I would have probably picked up their other two albums from Bandcamp as well. true_death wrote: I know you're not talking to me, but I'll chime in anyway - can't speak for the rest of their discography but that album is very blasé and dull, really not worth your time and you haven't missed anything. It's very superficial, style over substance shit without much going for it - very unimpressive all around. Even the riffs people rave on and on about are really nothing special, in my opinion... No worries, both point of views are appreciated.

Author:	blackmantram [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:41 pm ]
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Gravetemplar wrote: TheMysticWombat wrote: I think a few "Odio Bronce Resistance" bands are from California too and those dudes are straight up nazis. They have a compilation called Frente Pagano Nacional Socialista Compilation O.N.S.P. and at least Maquahuitl and a few other projects are from there. The BTC may not be NSBM but they have connections with fash bands and Operation Werewolf. Members of Odio Bronce play in BTC bands too. The mexican NSBM scene is mostly anti-white, anti-judeo-christian, pro-mexica type of "nazism". They actually despise all things indo-european as far as I'm concerned (except the black metal part I guess...). The black twilight circle bands, naturally, have a strong ideological connection with this movement, even if they are not directly involved with it.

Author:	Substantia_Nigrae [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:46 pm ]
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Xlxlx wrote: Just here to comment on the fact that being a Nazi is the least metal thing ever. Being a pro-tyranny drone should get your metalhead card revoked (talking about the actual musicians here, for any listeners who might get their knickers all bunched up reading this). All political and moral issues aside, I have never stopped being amazed at the fact that some people don't get migraine-inducing cognitive dissonance at the notion of spouting this kind of stuff while playing music born from counter-culture, freedom of expression and rebellion. Few things can be further from being a goose-stepper than that. It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Even if I didn't have a low opinion of Nazis as it is, it would make it very hard for me to respect this stuff, just on the basis of artistic merit. Well said...

Author:	narsilianshard [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:02 pm ]
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blackmantram wrote: The mexican NSBM scene is mostly anti-white, anti-judeo-christian, pro-mexica type of "nazism". They actually despise all things indo-european as far as I'm concerned (except the black metal part I guess...). The black twilight circle bands, naturally, have a strong ideological connection with this movement, even if they are not directly involved with it. Yet if you go to El Chopo in Mexico City you'll find metalheads selling swastika flags and copies of Mein Kampf. I once even saw a dude in full SS uniform. There's a huge swath of that scene that either considers themselves part of the indo-european elite, or are just completely ignorant to what nazism actually is and thing it's a cool, edgy aesthetic they should adopt without understanding any of the implications.

Author:	cweed [ Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:03 pm ]
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I'd say fascism/totalitarianism/Nazism etc. is potentially as "evil" as it gets in terms of what humanity is capable of, especially considering the horrors of mass genocide, slavery, torture, nightmarish scientific experiments on unwilling participants, etc. It makes sense that people who want to create music that is as hateful, violent, misanthropic, etc. will use, say, Nazi symbolism and motifs since that's something that many people will see as the ultimate symbol of "true evil" (as opposed to like Satanism or something which is purely metaphysical). Plus, Nazism (or virulent nationalism in general) appeals to the national romanticism and primordial yearnings of so much black metal as well (especially any that are influenced by Burzum and the like).

Author:	Gravetemplar [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:42 pm ]
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narsilianshard wrote: blackmantram wrote: The mexican NSBM scene is mostly anti-white, anti-judeo-christian, pro-mexica type of "nazism". They actually despise all things indo-european as far as I'm concerned (except the black metal part I guess...). The black twilight circle bands, naturally, have a strong ideological connection with this movement, even if they are not directly involved with it. Yet if you go to El Chopo in Mexico City you'll find metalheads selling swastika flags and copies of Mein Kampf. I once even saw a dude in full SS uniform. There's a huge swath of that scene that either considers themselves part of the indo-european elite, or are just completely ignorant to what nazism actually is and thing it's a cool, edgy aesthetic they should adopt without understanding any of the implications. Yeah, and the Black Twilight Circle played a show at the Operation Werewolf camp with another nazi black metal band, Baise ma hache. How can they be "anti-white" and play at a white supremacy show? Odio Bronze also has a project called "Terror 88". They don't "despise all things indo-european", otherwise they woulnd't have a band that has a Heil Hitler in the name.

Author:	Inkshooter [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:38 pm ]
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Xlxlx wrote: It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Oh man, have you ever heard of Evroklidon? They were a Ukrainian band that somehow managed to fall into both camps: they started as an "unblack" metal band, then they became fucking Nazis and became an NSBM band, then "repented" and became Christians again. Utterly insane. This is wildly off-topic, but while I agree with your statement in 99% of cases, I'm going to have to make a huge exception for Antestor, those guys were/are the real deal. Not only do they somehow make the lyrics fit with the music (unlike the goofy contrarian wankery of Horde), but they were also neck-deep in the chaos of the 90's scene in Scandinavia- Euronymous verbally expressed a wish to see all the members dead, but he himself was offed shortly after.

Author:	Kerpak [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:12 pm ]
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Inkshooter wrote: Xlxlx wrote: This is wildly off-topic, but while I agree with your statement in 99% of cases, I'm going to have to make a huge exception for Antestor, those guys were/are the real deal. Not only do they somehow make the lyrics fit with the music (unlike the goofy contrarian wankery of Horde), but they were also neck-deep in the chaos of the 90's scene in Scandinavia- Euronymous verbally expressed a wish to see all the members dead, but he himself was offed shortly after. One could say it was divine intervention?

Author:	~Guest 282118 [ Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:11 pm ]
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Inkshooter wrote: Xlxlx wrote: It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Oh man, have you ever heard of Evroklidon? They were a Ukrainian band that somehow managed to fall into both camps: they started as an "unblack" metal band, then they became fucking Nazis and became an NSBM band, then "repented" and became Christians again. Utterly insane. That is... somehow not surprising. Fools will be fools, I guess. Antestor I don't know much about, but honestly, considering how fucking crazy some people were in that particular scene, during that particular time period, I don't doubt they at least had some big cojones, going off what you're saying. I might check them out.

Author:	Vadara [ Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:17 am ]
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Xlxlx wrote: Just here to comment on the fact that being a Nazi is the least metal thing ever. Being a pro-tyranny drone should get your metalhead card revoked (talking about the actual musicians here, for any listeners who might get their knickers all bunched up reading this). All political and moral issues aside, I have never stopped being amazed at the fact that some people don't get migraine-inducing cognitive dissonance at the notion of spouting this kind of stuff while playing music born from counter-culture, freedom of expression and rebellion. Few things can be further from being a goose-stepper than that. It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Even if I didn't have a low opinion of Nazis as it is, it would make it very hard for me to respect this stuff, just on the basis of artistic merit. It goes for ANY Christian metal, really. The entire concept is fundamentally absurd. I have two super religious parents and while I've never tested it with my dad, my mom thinks all Christian metal/hardcore bands are secretly satanists trying to corrupt the god-fearing folk. Why even play metal if half of your fellow Christians think you're literally a satanic double-agent. Of course, they also have the same problem of promoting values literally antithetical to metal itself.

Author:	Subrick [ Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:07 am ]
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Xlxlx wrote: Antestor I don't know much about, but honestly, considering how fucking crazy some people were in that particular scene, during that particular time period, I don't doubt they at least had some big cojones, going off what you're saying. I might check them out. Antestor literally got death threats from Euronymous and his crew back in the early 90s simply for being a Christian band playing extreme metal music. They very well could have acted on those death threats since, as you said, they were all lunatics at that time. Musically, listen to The Forsaken and its companion EP Det tapte liv. The Forsaken is one of the finest black metal albums I've ever heard, and if you didn't read the lyrics or know about their Christianity, you most likely wouldn't even realize this was a religious band.

Author:	~Guest 334273 [ Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:03 am ]
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Xlxlx wrote: It's like those guys who play pro-Christian black metal. Sure, you can go ahead and do it, but I can't help thinking you're very confused and don't understand even the most basic cultural notions behind the art you make. Even if I didn't have a low opinion of Nazis as it is, it would make it very hard for me to respect this stuff, just on the basis of artistic merit. In the past i've frequented an italian forum that had a small but very active sub-community of "Unblack" metal fans: when i asked if they didn't feel the thematic clash berween metal a user responded me that they ideas of suffering (for sin, faith, isolation, hate against a fucked up world) are deeply rooted in the christian tradition, in particular the catholic one, and that those themes fit well into black metal. I don't really disagree with that A similar thing happens with ultra nationalist black metal: the themes of pride, strenght, hate and the controversy they bring fit into the usual metal themes, even if this kind of music and the people who make it will probably be on the list of the undesired things in an actual regime

Author:	Gravetemplar [ Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:11 am ]
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Morn Of Solace wrote: Xlxlx wrote: even if this kind of music and the people who make it will probably be on the list of the undesired things in an actual regime This is what really gets me, you have to be really dumb to believe under a fascist regime black metal would be allowed. My country has actually lived under a fascist dictatorship for many years and most rock music wasn't even allowed. There was a very strong censorship of music and of course anything with satanic imagery was forbidden. Here's an example to what they did to the cover of Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and this album was only allowed because the regime was already starting to crumble. Who Are You? wasn't allowed on the album.

Author:	blackmantram [ Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:33 pm ]
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Gravetemplar wrote: narsilianshard wrote: blackmantram wrote: The mexican NSBM scene is mostly anti-white, anti-judeo-christian, pro-mexica type of "nazism". They actually despise all things indo-european as far as I'm concerned (except the black metal part I guess...). The black twilight circle bands, naturally, have a strong ideological connection with this movement, even if they are not directly involved with it. Yet if you go to El Chopo in Mexico City you'll find metalheads selling swastika flags and copies of Mein Kampf. I once even saw a dude in full SS uniform. There's a huge swath of that scene that either considers themselves part of the indo-european elite, or are just completely ignorant to what nazism actually is and thing it's a cool, edgy aesthetic they should adopt without understanding any of the implications. Yeah, and the Black Twilight Circle played a show at the Operation Werewolf camp with another nazi black metal band, Baise ma hache. How can they be "anti-white" and play at a white supremacy show? Odio Bronze also has a project called "Terror 88". They don't "despise all things indo-european", otherwise they woulnd't have a band that has a Heil Hitler in the name. That's the same argument as "I cannot be a nazi because I have black friends" but pointing to the other side. How can, then, those Ulfheim Wov guys (whatever that is) and/pr baise ma hache be actual pro-white people when they're hanging out with mexicans? Yeah, I know these guys are completely inconsistent. What I said about mexican NSBM scene being anti-white and stuff is based on their lyrics and promoted ideals (at least, the ones I've heard and know), but that doesn't mean they follow their own rules. My point is, being extremely nit-picky with these things is kind of pointless, specially when the artists themselves don't even take it very seriously.

Author:	true_death [ Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:33 am ]
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This is probably a bad place to admit this but my band actually played at Ulfheim in 2010 with In Death I Become, and I used to be friends with both Paul Waggener and Hjalti. I knew they were involved in this pathetic "asatru" bullshit but never even considered the whole "racist" angle at the time, at best I thought of them as typical black metal guys and at worst alcoholic Viking-wannabes...in retrospect there were plenty of warning signs I was too stupid to pick up on (another friend of mine who was involved with the WoV went all David Irving on me when I tried to tell him about my day trip to the Richmond, VA Holocaust Museum..needless to say we aren't friends anymore ). It wasn't until years after we fell out of touch that I started hearing whispers and rumors about their alleged "sketchiness", until eventually Hjalti did what he did (set fire to a historic black church) and the support he received from the other scum involved with their little pagan circlejerk displayed their true nature. From what I knew of them, it's equal parts hilarious and terrifying that they achieved any notoriety at all..............my god now that I've typed all this up I can't believe I'm actively admitting in a public forum to having an actual, real life connection to members of the WoV . I suddenly feel the need to donate to the SPLC...

Author:	Gravetemplar [ Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:39 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Arghoslent have announced the new album coming this year
blackmantram wrote: That's the same argument as "I cannot be a nazi because I have black friends" but pointing to the other side. How can, then, those Ulfheim Wov guys (whatever that is) and/pr baise ma hache be actual pro-white people when they're hanging out with mexicans? Yeah, I know these guys are completely inconsistent. What I said about mexican NSBM scene being anti-white and stuff is based on their lyrics and promoted ideals (at least, the ones I've heard and know), but that doesn't mean they follow their own rules. My point is, being extremely nit-picky with these things is kind of pointless, specially when the artists themselves don't even take it very seriously. My point was all these guys are completely inconsistent with their believes (it makes no sense to be a nazi and play black metal to begin with) and it isn't fair to say they are a "less dangerous, not really nazis because they are brown" cathegory. They are nazis, they identify as nazis and they play shows with nazi bands.

Author:	Aldrahn333 [ Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Arghoslent have announced the new album coming this year
blackmantram wrote: That's the same argument as "I cannot be a nazi because I have black friends" but pointing to the other side. How can, then, those Ulfheim Wov guys (whatever that is) and/pr baise ma hache be actual pro-white people when they're hanging out with mexicans? Yeah, I know these guys are completely inconsistent. What I said about mexican NSBM scene being anti-white and stuff is based on their lyrics and promoted ideals (at least, the ones I've heard and know), but that doesn't mean they follow their own rules. My point is, being extremely nit-picky with these things is kind of pointless, specially when the artists themselves don't even take it very seriously. You never heard of Indian Waffen SS legion? And I'm not talking about Indian volunteers in the Wehrmacht, but proper Waffen SS.

Author:	Inkshooter [ Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Arghoslent have announced the new album coming this year
Aldrahn333 wrote: blackmantram wrote: That's the same argument as "I cannot be a nazi because I have black friends" but pointing to the other side. How can, then, those Ulfheim Wov guys (whatever that is) and/pr baise ma hache be actual pro-white people when they're hanging out with mexicans? Yeah, I know these guys are completely inconsistent. What I said about mexican NSBM scene being anti-white and stuff is based on their lyrics and promoted ideals (at least, the ones I've heard and know), but that doesn't mean they follow their own rules. My point is, being extremely nit-picky with these things is kind of pointless, specially when the artists themselves don't even take it very seriously. You never heard of Indian Waffen SS legion? And I'm not talking about Indian volunteers in the Wehrmacht, but proper Waffen SS. Fascism is both opportunistic and ideologically incoherent. In Eastern Europe, Slavic people collaborated with the Nazis when they believed they were only going after Jews, causing a lot of confusion when the Nazis proved that they did, in fact, want to purge the continent of Poles, Ukrainians, and Russians as well.

Author:	Sedition and Pockets [ Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:57 pm ]
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Incoherent for sure. The human capacity to compartmentalize all the contradictory messes of our actual lives to protect our self-image is nearly boundless. I spent a decade mired in bullshit far right politics, even though virtually all of my actual friends were non-white, women or queer (or all of the above). Even though I knew I was trans. I still couldn't separate myself from people who, had they known what was in my head, would cheerfully have killed me. Fascism is a potent poison.

Author:	Kerpak [ Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Arghoslent have announced the new album coming this year
Inkshooter wrote: Aldrahn333 wrote: blackmantram wrote: That's the same argument as "I cannot be a nazi because I have black friends" but pointing to the other side. How can, then, those Ulfheim Wov guys (whatever that is) and/pr baise ma hache be actual pro-white people when they're hanging out with mexicans? Yeah, I know these guys are completely inconsistent. What I said about mexican NSBM scene being anti-white and stuff is based on their lyrics and promoted ideals (at least, the ones I've heard and know), but that doesn't mean they follow their own rules. My point is, being extremely nit-picky with these things is kind of pointless, specially when the artists themselves don't even take it very seriously. You never heard of Indian Waffen SS legion? And I'm not talking about Indian volunteers in the Wehrmacht, but proper Waffen SS. Fascism is both opportunistic and ideologically incoherent. In Eastern Europe, Slavic people collaborated with the Nazis when they believed they were only going after Jews, causing a lot of confusion when the Nazis proved that they did, in fact, want to purge the continent of Poles, Ukrainians, and Russians as well. Segregationism and supremacism don't necessarily mean that you want to genocide all 'inferiors' or all others. In the case of the nazis it did mean that and they tricked their collaborators (do you know there was a fascist israeli/jew party that wanted to ally with the nazis? Lehi) but it is understandable why different nations can want to band together against a 'common enemy' (in that case communism/USSR/democracy). It really isn't much of a contradiction if genocide isn't one of your core beliefs. You're taking the easy way out of truly understanding your enemy by calling them misguided and contradictory, although in the case of random hooligans it's obvious they are.

Author:	Inkshooter [ Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Arghoslent have announced the new album coming this year
Idk, sounds a lot like you're trying to muddle Nazism and make it a "gray issue", bro

Author:	cweed [ Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:05 pm ]
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Inkshooter wrote: Idk, sounds a lot like you're trying to muddle Nazism and make it a "gray issue", bro Agreed.

Author:	droneriot [ Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:13 pm ]
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I see the "assuming motivations" train is still running at full steam. All I see from Kerpak's post is that he (?) is a forum newbie (apparently signed up 13 years ago but only active recently) who is trying to show off some history knowledge with awkward wording. But constructing the guy's (?) entire philosophy on life and the universe from a handful of forum posts is all cool, I guess.

Author:	Caspian88 [ Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:28 pm ]
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Aldrahn333 wrote: You never heard of Indian Waffen SS legion? And I'm not talking about Indian volunteers in the Wehrmacht, but proper Waffen SS. Until the spring of 1944, Jewish concentration camp inmates were forbidden from working in the armaments sector (concentration camp inmates were a key source of German slave labor throughout the war). This prohibition was lifted when the demand for labor outweighed the ideological goal of the Nazis to murder all of Europe's Jews. The men in charge of this change included Himmler, Speer, Erhard Milch, Karl Saur, Fritz Sauckel, Adolf Eichmann, and Hans Kammler - all dedicated Nazis and some of the most heinous criminals in world history (Kammler was in charge of the concentration and extermination camp system for the SS and was also involved in working tens of thousands of people to death building underground factories; Sauckel was the key slave acquirer for the Nazi economy; Eichmann managed the deportation of 500,000 people from Hungary in 1944, of whom about 75% died). The key point here is that Nazi Germany did sometimes subordinate its ideological aims of genocide or German supremacy when the need for labor (be it in armaments production or in uniform) was acute. That doesn't mean they changed their minds, just that they prioritized one goal above another for a time.

Author:	Kerpak [ Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:36 pm ]
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Inkshooter wrote: Idk, sounds a lot like you're trying to muddle Nazism and make it a "gray issue", bro Telling you not to underestimate your enemies is making it a gray issue? You are basically taking a legitimate discussion and flinging poop on it. You need to understand why things happen and why certain regimes rise to power, plugging your ears and just calling them contradictory idiots who make no sense doesn't help anything.