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Sokaris
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 9:12 pm 
 

I think disappointment can shape the experience of an album and for sure I've been disappointed with these albums as they came (once again barring Halo of Blood which was a pleasant surprise... even so it's nowhere near as good as something like Hatebreeder). I've been a fan since Follow The Reaper was a fairly new album and I can recall seeing the video for In Your Face on Headbanger's Ball and just really disliking it. That was at a time when a lot of European bands were changing and marketing themselves towards a more mainstream American crowd. Hence my mentioning of In Flames and Arch Enemy; throw Soilwork in there as well.

It's easier to enjoy the albums now I suppose; the sting of disappointment is long gone and I'm realizing that even if there was a decline, the band didn't sell out or lose their edge necessarily. Bodom was pretty far out there and even with a micro-scene that basically existed to imitate them (Norther, Skyfire, Imperanon, etc) they're easily recognizable. Hell, Metal Archives has a long tradition of arguing over just what the fuck genre Children Of Bodom play, between fans and detractors alike. And it's fucking sad that that's gone so I think some of us taking another look since there's really not another Alexi Laiho out there.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:18 am 
 

Sokaris wrote:
Hell, Metal Archives has a long tradition of arguing over just what the fuck genre Children Of Bodom play, between fans and detractors alike. And it's fucking sad that that's gone so I think some of us taking another look since there's really not another Alexi Laiho out there.


Indeed! That's also why I never really felt resentment towards the band. Their switch in sound never came off as a sellout, but rather as something that happened organically for the band. And as I stated before, Are You Dead Yet? actually has a lot of solid rhythm guitars, and I feel that the thrash metal elements were well implemented on it. I did stop following CoB after Blooddrunk because I was disapointed, but I still have nothing but respect for the work of Laiho. There truly is nothing like Children of Bodom, and his legacy will live on.

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lordcatfish
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:31 am 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
Now of course, looking back from 2021, fans can cherry-pick through the discography and say there were still solid tracks and a few solid albums after the classic era, but for fans who loved the earlier records, it just wasn't enough.

I can only speak for myself, but this wasn't the case for me. As someone who got into the band with Follow the Reaper around 2000 / 2001, and has always held the first four albums on a pedestal, I can say that Blooddrunk is the only album that lost me. I do remember that Are You Dead Yet? felt different (I heard the title track on a sampler pre-release, and it just sounded weird) but I still loved it and played it as much as the classics. I dialled back in with Relentless Reckless Forever after Blooddrunk left me cold, and then Halo of Blood blew me away. I recall that it leaked before release, and I was sitting on the bus with it on my iPod in stunned silence - it was like they'd recaptured their old school spirit (as an aside, Alexi actually said once that he didn't understand why people loved this album so much, so seems he wasn't too keen on it).

Perhaps Blooddrunk had just prepared me for any further bumps in the road, and at that point I'd pretty much accepted they'd peaked with the early albums. I've always appreciated and enjoyed everything they'd done after 2008 though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:23 am 
 

I really need to give Bloodrunk and Relentless more attention. I've been a Bodom fan since Hatebreeder, but I'll admit, even I started losing interest during those mid-career albums. They just didn't have that flourish that the first few did. The thing is, I never considered them "bad", just forgettable. I think they got more shit than they deserved during that time.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:10 pm 
 

oxwah wrote:
I really need to give Bloodrunk and Relentless more attention. I've been a Bodom fan since Hatebreeder, but I'll admit, even I started losing interest during those mid-career albums. They just didn't have that flourish that the first few did. The thing is, I never considered them "bad", just forgettable. I think they got more shit than they deserved during that time.


It's really a testament to just how good the first albums were. People were holding them to a high standard, and when Blooddrunk came out, it really was a big let down for many. It's not an horrible album, but it's not good either, and it's not memorable.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:18 pm 
 

Sokaris wrote:
Hell, Metal Archives has a long tradition of arguing over just what the fuck genre Children Of Bodom play, between fans and detractors alike. And it's fucking sad that that's gone so I think some of us taking another look since there's really not another Alexi Laiho out there.


Well said! :metal:

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...and then Halo of Blood blew me away. I recall that it leaked before release, and I was sitting on the bus with it on my iPod in stunned silence - it was like they'd recaptured their old school spirit (as an aside, Alexi actually said once that he didn't understand why people loved this album so much, so seems he wasn't too keen on it).


Yeah, I remember reading a few interviews where Alexi talks negatively about the album. From what I remember, he loved many of the riffs that he wrote but he's not that fond of the arrangements and final structure of the songs. In my mind, it might have to do with the band having difficulties in the studio working together. I might be wrong, but after they fired Roope and released I Worship Chaos, Alexi was telling, in most interviews, that he felt a lot better about IWC on every aspect (composition, recording process, etc.)... It's funny since fans and critics' reactions have shown the opposite : IWC sound less focused and coherent as a whole :thumbsdown: , while HOC felt like a more inspired and energized band. :thumbsup:


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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:04 pm 
 

^ I never said that. Careful on how you quote posts.

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Ludorff
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:41 am 
 

Corrected.

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Lane
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:12 am 
 

Thinking about how CoB's music changed towards more simplistic... Touring, drinking, sleep depravation... Then "do another album guys!" from record label, then get songs ready ASAP, then recording, and back on the beginning of the cycle (as how I here describe it, not how it goes from start to finish at first). [Even though some classic songs were written in a few hours, like Megadeth's 'Peace Sells' and 'Paranoid' by Black Sabbath, I bet no-one can do absolutely corking albums under stress.]

So, I really didn't like the change in sound, but this happens with almost every band to me at some point. Alexi was a huge, huge talent, or more like a prodigy. There are so many guitarists that are technically great players, but not many can do what Alexi did (play like a prodigy and do vocals at the same time, plus take your audience).

Sad to see him go. He was a star, an inventor, a genius, no matter how you took his music and vocals.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:18 am 
 

I never understood the vocal minority on this site that fixates on a band's 1st, 2nd, and at most 3rd albums, and everything after that isn't good enough for them. And that just doesn't go just for COB, it's pretty much how discussions go about every band. Personally I don't listen to an album relative to another. An album in itself is either good or not. Of course one will compare it to the bands previous work, but the comparison in itself doesn't increase or decrease the quality of an album.

In the case of COB, Blooddrunk coincides with Alexi's wrist injury which seriously affected his playing and thus his composition. Not sure when the shoulder injury happened, but that also must have had an impact. I too have been listening more to Blooddrunk and RRF. They're not bad albums. They have plenty good songs on there. The productions is excellent and so is the sound. Both in a way give the fans what they've been asking for...more keyboards. The track order on both could have been better and it probably affects how one perceives the albums.

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Lord Diabolus
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Wrldeatr wrote:
I never understood the vocal minority on this site that fixates on a band's 1st, 2nd, and at most 3rd albums, and everything after that isn't good enough for them. And that just doesn't go just for COB, it's pretty much how discussions go about every band. Personally I don't listen to an album relative to another. An album in itself is either good or not. Of course one will compare it to the bands previous work, but the comparison in itself doesn't increase or decrease the quality of an album.


I've really tried to give those later albums a true chance to actually like them/get used to them. I am talking about spinning them multiple times, give it a few years rest on the shelf, and spin it few times again to see what I reall thought about it. I simply haven't enjoyed any material after Hate Crew Deathroll and I consider that very album where "old Cob" transitioned to "new Cob".

That being said, I still don't consider those newer albums bad in their own right: they are all testaments to Alexi's and rest of the band's musicianship and skill, but they are much different what COB used to be.

For me, Children of Bodom, especially Something Wild and Hatebreeder was something like "Power metal with harsh vocals and black metal influences" or "Power death metal/melodic death metal" and it was hard to put some strict genre definitions on that type of music. It was fresh, something totally anew and thinking how many Bodom copycats sprung up in those times it is also a testament how innovative band they were back in the day. I think that type of genre and music was quite uncharted territory (think of In Flames - Lunar Strains album for example) where the sound was not as chiseled and there were lots of folkish melodies, neoclassical melodies etc. But then again, it was just a fleeting moment in time. Similarily In Flames developed to something quite different and I simply cannot like their new material - at all.

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Wrldeatr wrote:
I never understood the vocal minority on this site that fixates on a band's 1st, 2nd, and at most 3rd albums, and everything after that isn't good enough for them. And that just doesn't go just for COB, it's pretty much how discussions go about every band. Personally I don't listen to an album relative to another. An album in itself is either good or not. Of course one will compare it to the bands previous work, but the comparison in itself doesn't increase or decrease the quality of an album.


Yeah, no. That's not true. I can name ten bands off the top of my head that do not fit this description (Bolt Thrower, Incantation, Sigh, Blood Red Throne, Baroness, Death, DragonForce, Cannibal Corpse, The Black Dahlia Murder, Kalmah), and there are tons more.

You're basically just assuming that people aren't being intellectually honest when engaging with later records from one or another band's discography and that these people aren't actually juding these albums fairly. Ironically you're making the same kind of judgement you are accusing us of doing instead of actually considering the possibility that we actually do not like these records for real. As much as I respect Alexi Laiho for his work, I think Blooddrunk is a mediocre (or completely forgettable album) at best. In my humble opinion, I think that if it would have been the first album of the band, they would have instantly faded away and never released a follow-up record.

You also can't expect people not to have expectations when an established band releases an album. The only reason you listen to the newest Iron Maiden album is because you know them, because you liked some of their previous albums, etc. It's completely naive to believe that fans should (or even could) approach the new album as if they had never heard any other Maiden album before or to expect them not to compare it to their other releases.

Wrldeatr wrote:
In the case of COB, Blooddrunk coincides with Alexi's wrist injury which seriously affected his playing and thus his composition. Not sure when the shoulder injury happened, but that also must have had an impact. I too have been listening more to Blooddrunk and RRF. They're not bad albums. They have plenty good songs on there. The productions is excellent and so is the sound. Both in a way give the fans what they've been asking for...more keyboards. The track order on both could have been better and it probably affects how one perceives the albums.


I mean, you can like these albums, but the general concensus is that they are not good. Not because people only like the first albums of a band for some obscure elitist conspiracy motives, but because they genuinely do not like these albums.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:09 pm 
 

Thanks for your permission to like Blooddrunk :wanker:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:40 pm 
 

SluseTheInventor wrote:
Thanks for your permission to like Blooddrunk :wanker:


Ironically, every single time I've seen this smiley used on this board it was following a post that contributed jack fucking shit to the discussion.

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HeavenDuff wrote:
SluseTheInventor wrote:
Thanks for your permission to like Blooddrunk :wanker:


Ironically, every single time I've seen this smiley used on this board it was following a post that contributed jack fucking shit to the discussion.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:00 am 
 

Say what you will but 'Banned from Heaven' is one of the band's best songs ever. The song carries such emotion in its leads - I cannot imagine a fan of the band—whatever the era of preference—not liking it!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:12 am 
 

Been cranking a lot of Fear the Reaper and Hatecrew the last week. Slamming shit. You can see the style start to change a bit but still pure Bodom. Going to give some of the later stuff a try, may grab Halo as its down at the local record store.

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LefterisK wrote:
Say what you will but 'Banned from Heaven' is one of the band's best songs ever. The song carries such emotion in its leads - I cannot imagine a fan of the band—whatever the era of preference—not liking it!



Personnally I remember really enjoying Hellhounds On My Trail when the album first came out. I'm listening to it right now and I still think it's a high point on the album. Again, I don't think Blooddrunk is an horrible album, I just think it's not really good. All the tracks have good sections, and to be honest, I could listen to the entire thing and still enjoy myself. CoB never hit the same lows as a band like In Flames. Even at their worst, CoB were still fun, although nowhere near as memorable as they were on their best material.

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According to Finnish news sites (released as of today)

Alexi Laiho's giant surprise revealed after his death
https://www.is.fi/musiikki/art-2000007748027.html


Google translate with some relevant picks (with minor corrections by myself, the whole story is too long to paste here I think):
Iltasanomat wrote:
Alexi Laiho's giant surprise revealed after his death: The truth about "wedding photos" revealed - Alexi never divorced from his 1st wife

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Guitarist Alexi Laiho was married to American Kimberly Goss until his death

CHILDREN OF BODOM guitarist Alexi Laiho was not officially married to Australian Kelli Wright-Laiho , although she has appeared in public in the Finnish and international media as well as on social media.

The news of the continuation of the marriage, which took place 19 years ago until the death of Laiho, is surprising, as the guitarist has been in the public eye in recent years together with the Australian Kelli Wright-Laiho. Wright-Laiho has made it clear, among other things, through her social media updates, that she has been married to Alexi Laiho since 2017.

THE FINNISH Marriage Act says:

"Before the marriage, it must be ascertained that there are no obstacles to the marriage."

An obstacle to marriage is defined as, among other things, a previous, valid union.

“ No one is allowed to marry if his or her previous marriage is still valid. A person whose registered partnership is valid is also not allowed to enter into marriage. "

Thus, under Finnish law, Laiho could not marry Kelli Wright, as Laiho and Goss have not officially divorced.

The wedding photos published by Kelli Wright-Laiho on Instagram in December 2017 are therefore not images of an official marriage from the point of view of Finnish law.

Alexi Laiho has no subsequent divorce applications. The marriage was thus in force when Laiho died at the end of December.

Laiho's death was reported two weeks ago. The guitarist had long suffered from health problems.

we ASKED lawyer, deputy judge Hilkka Salmenkylä at a general level, how to deal with situations like this. According to Salmenkylä, under Finnish law, the first wife is a widow and the sole heir, if the couple has not been officially sentenced to divorce.

- If a first-degree divorce has been set in motion, it is essential whether or not some sort of division has been made at that stage. If a division has then been made, it has not lapsed, even if the divorce has lapsed. In that situation, the couple is considered to have a status comparable to the marriage condition, Salmenkylä says.

Salmenkylä emphasizes that the marriage condition does not remove the right to inherit.

- In principle, the marriage contract only affects where the inheritance tax is paid. The widow inherits if the deceased has no children or a will.

- First, a partition is made to see what the widow inherits. Let's add the funds of each and divide by two. Half of it is widowed under matrimonial law and half is widowed and pays inheritance tax.

ACCORDING TO PUBLIC tax information, Alexi Laiho earned well in the last years of her life with her music. In the past decade, his taxable income peaked in 2013, when the Bodom bowler earned an annual income of more than € 200,000. In the most recent completed taxation for 2019, Laiho's total earnings were EUR 89,683.


So it seems that Kimberly Goss as Laiho's first wife, and not Laiho's current/latest wife, is legally entitled to his legacy under the Finnish law and Kimberly is the sole heir-at-law to Alexi.

( Cannot help it, but somehow this whole deal reminds me of this song :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV0PzZxGzbM )

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That's really strange, why wouldn't they have been divorced after all that time?

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Sokaris
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Because divorce is a financial headache especially when there's something like a mortgage involved.
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I see.

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Lord Diabolus wrote:
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According to Finnish news sites (released as of today)

Alexi Laiho's giant surprise revealed after his death
https://www.is.fi/musiikki/art-2000007748027.html


Google translate with some relevant picks (with minor corrections by myself, the whole story is too long to paste here I think):
Iltasanomat wrote:
Alexi Laiho's giant surprise revealed after his death: The truth about "wedding photos" revealed - Alexi never divorced from his 1st wife

Story:
Guitarist Alexi Laiho was married to American Kimberly Goss until his death

CHILDREN OF BODOM guitarist Alexi Laiho was not officially married to Australian Kelli Wright-Laiho , although she has appeared in public in the Finnish and international media as well as on social media.

The news of the continuation of the marriage, which took place 19 years ago until the death of Laiho, is surprising, as the guitarist has been in the public eye in recent years together with the Australian Kelli Wright-Laiho. Wright-Laiho has made it clear, among other things, through her social media updates, that she has been married to Alexi Laiho since 2017.

THE FINNISH Marriage Act says:

"Before the marriage, it must be ascertained that there are no obstacles to the marriage."

An obstacle to marriage is defined as, among other things, a previous, valid union.

“ No one is allowed to marry if his or her previous marriage is still valid. A person whose registered partnership is valid is also not allowed to enter into marriage. "

Thus, under Finnish law, Laiho could not marry Kelli Wright, as Laiho and Goss have not officially divorced.

The wedding photos published by Kelli Wright-Laiho on Instagram in December 2017 are therefore not images of an official marriage from the point of view of Finnish law.

Alexi Laiho has no subsequent divorce applications. The marriage was thus in force when Laiho died at the end of December.

Laiho's death was reported two weeks ago. The guitarist had long suffered from health problems.

we ASKED lawyer, deputy judge Hilkka Salmenkylä at a general level, how to deal with situations like this. According to Salmenkylä, under Finnish law, the first wife is a widow and the sole heir, if the couple has not been officially sentenced to divorce.

- If a first-degree divorce has been set in motion, it is essential whether or not some sort of division has been made at that stage. If a division has then been made, it has not lapsed, even if the divorce has lapsed. In that situation, the couple is considered to have a status comparable to the marriage condition, Salmenkylä says.

Salmenkylä emphasizes that the marriage condition does not remove the right to inherit.

- In principle, the marriage contract only affects where the inheritance tax is paid. The widow inherits if the deceased has no children or a will.

- First, a partition is made to see what the widow inherits. Let's add the funds of each and divide by two. Half of it is widowed under matrimonial law and half is widowed and pays inheritance tax.

ACCORDING TO PUBLIC tax information, Alexi Laiho earned well in the last years of her life with her music. In the past decade, his taxable income peaked in 2013, when the Bodom bowler earned an annual income of more than € 200,000. In the most recent completed taxation for 2019, Laiho's total earnings were EUR 89,683.


So it seems that Kimberly Goss as Laiho's first wife, and not Laiho's current/latest wife, is legally entitled to his legacy under the Finnish law and Kimberly is the sole heir-at-law to Alexi.

( Cannot help it, but somehow this whole deal reminds me of this song :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV0PzZxGzbM )


Not quite sure what you mean by his "legacy." if you mean Children of Bodom related things, he sold off all of his ownership to his former bandmates before his death. So in my view that makes them entited to his legacy, not his first wife.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:43 am 
 

And that's only if he didn't have a testament as well. But yeah Laiho owned 0% of the band's copyright at the end.

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DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:

Not quite sure what you mean by his "legacy." if you mean Children of Bodom related things, he sold off all of his ownership to his former bandmates before his death. So in my view that makes them entited to his legacy, not his first wife.


By his legacy, in the context of that post, I meant that Alexi Laiho's estimated networth hovered around 6 million dollars according to various sites (https://www.celebritynetworth.com/riche ... net-worth/)

I personally do not know how accurate that estimate is. Bodom/Alexi Laiho was one of the most succesful metal musicians from Finland and they sold huge amounts of records worldwide and they were also touring constantly. Apart from that I remember he was also a car enthusiast and possibly owned real estate here in Finland too. I believe his guitar equipment alone is also worth quite alot.

It says in the article it is unknown if Alexi had last will/testament. If not, this would mean that Kimberly Goss is the sole inheritor to such possible fortunes as the widow and legitimate last wife of his.

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Wow, what a nightmare for Kelli. Hopefully this wasn't some long-planned machiavellian plot and Kimberly just lets her have everything. I know it's not how the law works, but it's not right for someone you married for a couple years when you were basically kids to be your sole inheritor, unless you have that spelled out in your will.

Being worth $6M seems really high. They never reached the arena level, and according to Wikipedia never had any sort of serious record sales outside of Europe. I'm sure he had all sorts of sponsorships and advertising deals, but still, it's really hard to imagine him having that much in assets.
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All of these sites that estimate net worth are completely full of shit. They use an algorithm to analyze social media interactions and google search results (as in the amount of hits) to estimate a sort of "brand worth" and present it as fact to get hits and sell ad traffic. Some of the larger names may have salary or asset info if they have such info publicly and easily available tied into them but for a Finnish metal musician on a (I'm assuming) American celebrity gab rag to be properly researched seems extremely unlikely to me. Disregard these always, buzzfeed level clickbait trash.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:58 pm 
 

Yeah, I do agree such networth estimate is way off. It was simply the first results when typing "Alexi Laiho networth" to google search.

But what about 1 million dollars/euros? Not probably that far off for a guy who has been touring constantly since the 90s, Bodom itself has sold over 2 millions records worlwide according to wikipedia. Not to count Alexi's other bands, projects, merchandise, sponshorship deals, advertisment stuff etc.

The point being that most probably he did leave something behind compared to your average Joe and if he had no last will/testament it is highly absurd that it all goes to his ex-wife (that legally was not his ex) in the worst (best?) case scenario.


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Lord Diabolus wrote:
For me, Children of Bodom, especially Something Wild and Hatebreeder was something like "Power metal with harsh vocals and black metal influences" or "Power death metal/melodic death metal" and it was hard to put some strict genre definitions on that type of music. It was fresh, something totally anew and thinking how many Bodom copycats sprung up in those times it is also a testament how innovative band they were back in the day. I think that type of genre and music was quite uncharted territory (think of In Flames - Lunar Strains album for example) where the sound was not as chiseled and there were lots of folkish melodies, neoclassical melodies etc. But then again, it was just a fleeting moment in time. Similarily In Flames developed to something quite different and I simply cannot like their new material - at all.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:57 am 
 

Kim Goss has disclosed the cause of death, which will be a surprise to no one - "alcohol-induced degeneration of the liver and pancreas connective tissue. Furthermore, he had a cocktail of painkillers, opioids and insomnia medication in his system."

Full statement: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMBAd6qJT_S ... e=ig_embed
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This morning I received the final forensic report with the official cause of Alexi’s passing. As his legal widow, I am privy to this information. The certificate reads in Finnish, “Alkoholin aiheuttama maksan rasvarappeutuminen ja haiman sidekudostuminen”. The English translation is, “Alcohol-induced degeneration of the liver and pancreas connective tissue”. Furthermore, he had a cocktail of painkillers, opioids and insomnia medication in his system.

The loss of this extraordinarily talented and beautiful soul is a tragedy that was entirely preventable. He had so many good years left in him. Imagine all the amazing music we could still be getting if he had just accepted help. I plead with anyone who is struggling with alcoholism or any other substance abuse problem, to please seek support. You do not have to meet this same fate. If people are trying to help you, remember that they are doing it out of love and concern, so please do not push them away. Please do not surround yourself with enablers who promote your addictions. Let this be a cautionary tale that no one is invincible.

I do not want his death to be in vain. My hope is to eventually start a memorial foundation or charity in his native, Finland to help others struggling with these same demons. This needs to be an open conversation, not a source of shame. We are all human, we all suffer, but help is out there. If his story can save even ONE life, then something good can come out of this horrible loss we have all endured.

Rest in peace, beloved Wildchild
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:21 am 
 

Full respect to Alexi and everything he accomplished, but man, he must have really loved getting trashed to eventually die from it. I feel sick the next morning after two beers, let alone knocking it back like that every night. But no negative judgement, the guy was and is a metal legend. Kimberly wanting to start up a charity for people suffering the same problems is awesome, hopefully they get it up and running.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:03 am 
 

lordcatfish wrote:
Kim Goss has disclosed the cause of death, which will be a surprise to no one - "alcohol-induced degeneration of the liver and pancreas connective tissue. Furthermore, he had a cocktail of painkillers, opioids and insomnia medication in his system."

Full statement: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMBAd6qJT_S ... e=ig_embed
Spoiler: show
This morning I received the final forensic report with the official cause of Alexi’s passing. As his legal widow, I am privy to this information. The certificate reads in Finnish, “Alkoholin aiheuttama maksan rasvarappeutuminen ja haiman sidekudostuminen”. The English translation is, “Alcohol-induced degeneration of the liver and pancreas connective tissue”. Furthermore, he had a cocktail of painkillers, opioids and insomnia medication in his system.

The loss of this extraordinarily talented and beautiful soul is a tragedy that was entirely preventable. He had so many good years left in him. Imagine all the amazing music we could still be getting if he had just accepted help. I plead with anyone who is struggling with alcoholism or any other substance abuse problem, to please seek support. You do not have to meet this same fate. If people are trying to help you, remember that they are doing it out of love and concern, so please do not push them away. Please do not surround yourself with enablers who promote your addictions. Let this be a cautionary tale that no one is invincible.

I do not want his death to be in vain. My hope is to eventually start a memorial foundation or charity in his native, Finland to help others struggling with these same demons. This needs to be an open conversation, not a source of shame. We are all human, we all suffer, but help is out there. If his story can save even ONE life, then something good can come out of this horrible loss we have all endured.

Rest in peace, beloved Wildchild


Kim has been quite vocal around Laiho's death recently. These news came not long ago:

This is part of Kimberly Goss statement she released not long ago:

https://loudwire.com/alexi-laiho-ex-wif ... -gofundme/
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It has taken every bit of strength inside of me to try and stay classy, respectful and remain the lone adult in the room. Alexi would be horrified to see the circus and mockery that this Australian person has created out of his death. I am only human and there is only so much trauma, abuse and pure fucking evil that I can withstand and endure. I will not continue to allow her to disgrace his memory by manipulating his fans into donating money to fake GoFundMe campaigns or to have the world think they were a perfect, happy couple. Her 'grieving widow act' ends today.
She is nothing more than an attention starved leech who successfully preyed upon a man during the most vulnerable point in his life. A time when his girlfriend, dearest friends and closest allies were trying desperately to get him some much needed help. Help that he wasn’t willing to receive. This Australian person swooped in and became his biggest enabler of bad habits, highlighting through her Instagram account their 'glamorous, party hard rock n’ roll lifestyle.'
Anyone reading this who has ever had experience with addiction themselves or knows someone who has a substance abuse problem will understand how addictive personalities will gravitate toward people who enable that behavior. People who will not say no to them. Often times you’ll see this happen to celebrities / rock stars because everyone wants a piece of them. Unfortunately, there exists an element of depraved sub-humans who have no conscience or morals. They realize the only way they can get close is by enabling the addiction of that celebrity, consequences be damned. We’ve all seen this story play out before with other rock stars, famous comedians, actors, athletes, etc. Time to put down those rose-colored glasses and see the truth.
There were many wonderful people Alexi's his life right until his very last breath. People who loved him and truly tried their very best to help him. She was not one of them. He told me how she was pressuring him almost daily to divorce me and that he would keep her at bay by telling her that I refused to sign the divorce papers. Of course, now the truth has been revealed that in Finland the law states that you can divorce your spouse WITHOUT the signature of the other person. He could have divorced me at any time in the last decade+, without my consent or approval. The fact that he didn’t speaks volumes. As much as I care about Alexi, his unwillingness to be honest with her has created an unnecessary shitstorm of stress and chaos in many people’s lives. We all loved him, but he sadly had his demons.
This woman in Australia is desperate because she knows her plot failed. She spread false lies and accusations about me online, resulting in multiple threats to my inbox from fans that chose to believe her. Her last ditch effort at attention was to post pictures of the funeral that was held by his sister last week, with the Aussie named as the widow. I don’t care about that, but it’s the repulsive deception that sickens me to my very core. Let’s call this what it REALLY is. It was her way to do damage control for that disgusting GoFundMe campaign her friend set up to pay for Alexi's supposed 'funeral expenses.'

We all had a right to say goodbye to him and that opportunity was taken from us. I hope one day his sister will allow me to show her all the proof in my phone, from Alexi's own words regarding the truth about the Australian woman. A woman who made him think and feel that he was fat, weak and worthless. His words, not mine.

Read More: Alexi Laiho's Ex-Wife: 'Illegal' Funeral Held + Fans 'Duped' | https://loudwire.com/alexi-laiho-ex-wif ... m=referral



I personally don't know what is the real situation. There is lots of "heated up" exchange, online drama going on between Laiho's ex-wife and Laiho's most current (not legal) wife and her friends who, in turn, accuse Kimberly of lying/distoring the view, Kimberly in turn accuses the current/latest/not-legal wife of enabling Laiho's destructive behavior in that statement above.

Some fitting Bodom music dedicated for all (black) widow(s):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0Kuvx4yE8

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:28 am 
 

Occam's Razor suggests that Alexi didn't sign the divorce papers out of general apathy rather than "like totally wanting to stay married to Kim despite, yanno, choosing to live on separate sides of the world and dating other people." Alexi lived in the moment.

To be honest, both of these ex-spouses sound like vultures fighting over his opulent corpse. I hope Alexi's whole estate goes to a mallcore rehabilitation facility. Or, like, an actual rehab facility.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:46 am 
 

Gunslinger21 wrote:
Full respect to Alexi and everything he accomplished, but man, he must have really loved getting trashed to eventually die from it.

It's called alcoholism and it's a disease.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:18 pm 
 

A lot of what Kim is saying sounds plausible enough - Alexi wasn't known for his self-control or commitment to healthy lifestyle habits, and while "svengali partner who eggs on a self-destructive famous person's worst traits" is a tired (and often misogynistic) trope, I don't doubt that most of COB and Alexi's inner circle in general tried many times to get him to stop destroying himself, and having an enabler who encouraged him to get fucked up all the time would definitely explain why Janne, Henkka, and Jaska finally decided to cut their losses. They probably saw something like this coming, wanted no part of it, and eventually realized that it was inevitable.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:41 pm 
 

Frank Booth wrote:
"svengali partner who eggs on a self-destructive famous person's worst traits" is a tired (and often misogynistic) trope,

Its misogynistic past is linked to the period when women literally could not work and therefore tried to marry wealthy men to ease the crushing boot of capital off their necks. These days men are just as likely, if not even more so, than women to be gold diggers, yet the sexist trope remains.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:05 pm 
 

The thing here is that the exact scenario that Goss is describing is something that anyone who has had someone with substance issues in their life will tell you is a common thing. You stage an intervention that seems to stick (and it goes without saying that Alexi saw at least one in his time), then someone (often a new partner, sometimes a friend) comes in and upends the whole thing. You and the rest of their close friends and associates express your concerns, but this person sharply rebukes you - "they just want to control you", "they're trying to make you be someone you're not", "they don't think of you as a person, just a problem to manage", and so on and so forth. Pretty soon, you realize that despite your best efforts, the train is very far off the tracks and you are long past the point of being able to change anything, and your only options are either cutting your losses and rescinding your support until they see the light on their own (or don't), or sticking around and becoming part of the problem because you also became an enabler. I'm not saying it is what happened, mind you, just that, based on the circumstances, it is extremely plausible.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:28 pm 
 

I've known multiple junkies and alcoholics and it almost never went well without near death experiences, or prison terms, and usually not even then. Though he must have been a real hard core drinker to drink himself to death at that age. Its a real shit show that leaves their loved ones deep in the wreckage they leave behind. A real tragedy.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:00 pm 
 

By all accounts, yeah, Alexi was a hardcore alcoholic. You don't vomit blood or break bones (his clavicle, I think? Something that most people would definitely notice) and not notice it if you're an occasional drinker. Odds are pretty good that in addition to opioids and downers, he probably also ripped lines before going onstage fairly often. It's totally possible to kill or cripple yourself from substance usage at 41 if your usage is extensive enough and you abuse your body in general, especially since he wasn't a big dude.

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I've had a couple friends who were told by doctors they were drinking themselves to death around that age, but they were bad enough that if they quit cold turkey that would possibly kill them as well. One has been in and out of prison, robbed banks, etc. The other is his brother. As far as I know both are still drinking, among other addictions, but are alive. I don't want contact with them anymore.

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