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Floodland
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:43 am 
 

shit I have found ultra heavy in my formative years, so many days ago, that had an immense impact on me, being dark, and both mental and physical burden on me; vile, brooding, hostile, otherworldly musical beasts I had trouble coping with:
Necrodeath's both debut and sophomore
My Dying Bride's super heavy and super dark 'As the flower withers'.
Sorrow's 'Hatred and Disgust'
Mortician's 'Chainsaw Dismemberment'
Slayer's 'Reign in blood'
Bolt Thrower's 'Realm of chaos'
Skin Chamber's 'Wound' (the best industrial metal album ever recorded)
Then we had Drogheda's self titled demo, Impetigo, Nausea etc.

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colin040
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:30 am 
 

Necrodictator wrote:
Dude, it clearly says "full-lengths" in the OP.


Reading comprehension skills... :lol:

I'm a bit hesitant with this one (as it might be more extreme than downright heavy), but what about Vulcano's Bloody Vengeance from 1986? Production aside, musically it becomes super fast at times and the title track certainly has a bit of an epic, yet heavy vibe to it. Thoughts?

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DecemberSoul
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:41 am 
 

"None so vile" is a weak follow-up to the far better debut; "B.M.F." has pretty cool blast beats that sound menacing whereas "N.S.V." has sloppy and slower ones.
The "Human" vs. "E.O.T.F." comparison...Death were only really pushing things in terms of extremity/heaviness with their debut, by the time of their third album they sounded lame, tame and stale compared to other death metal that was around. Neither did Death spawn the genre on their own, other bands made invaluable inputs too. Suffocation, on the other hand, have clearly become the more influential of the two - see amount of bands that sound closer to either them or Death.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:02 am 
 

DecemberSoul wrote:
Neither did Death spawn the genre on their own, other bands made invaluable inputs too. Suffocation, on the other hand, have clearly become the more influential of the two - see amount of bands that sound closer to either them or Death.


Most of your post is tryhard wankery, but this is an interesting point. Death probably got more people into death metal, I mean they were and are insanely huge as far as death metal listener bases go, but Suffocation spawned a fuck load more direct clones.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:03 am 
 

colin040 wrote:
I'm a bit hesitant with this one (as it might be more extreme than downright heavy), but what about Vulcano's Bloody Vengeance from 1986? Production aside, musically it becomes super fast at times and the title track certainly has a bit of an epic, yet heavy vibe to it. Thoughts?


If we'd exclude Repulsion than I think Cryptic Slaughter would take the cake. I think even today it sounds just like a bunch of noise even for some black metal people.

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Morn Of Solace
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:13 am 
 

lord_ghengis wrote:
DecemberSoul wrote:
Neither did Death spawn the genre on their own, other bands made invaluable inputs too. Suffocation, on the other hand, have clearly become the more influential of the two - see amount of bands that sound closer to either them or Death.


Most of your post is tryhard wankery, but this is an interesting point. Death probably got more people into death metal, I mean they were and are insanely huge as far as death metal listener bases go, but Suffocation spawned a fuck load more direct clones.


I usually don't judge on the basis of direct clones, but more on the overall influence. I think that if we put togheter the number of bands that where inspired by both the early era and by the gradual shift to prog in the later years even a hugely influential band like Suffocation can't stand a chance.

It's kinda like the Metallica effect: not that many bands try to exactly copy them, but their influence is vast and extends to multiple and diverse genres (Slayer, Gojira, Trivium, Dream Theater.. to name few big ones)

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camjr01
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:22 am 
 

I wonder if you all consider drone bands to be "the heaviest thing", heavier even than death metal? I was introduced to the genre by someone telling me just that- in which case the first Earth album needs to be taken into consideration for 1993.
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Lord Tempestuous wrote:
Death Metal Chronology:
Spoiler: show
1985

Death Strike- Fuckin’ Death 1/85

Death- Infernal Death 3/9/85

Possessed- Seven Churches 10/16/85

Sepultura- Bestial Devastation 12/85



1986

Death – Mutilation 4/86

Sepultura- Morbid Visions 11/10/86

Morbid Angel- Scream Forth Blasphemies 86

Repulsion- Slaughter of the Innocent 86

Xecutioner- Demo 1986 86



1987

Necrophagia- Season of the Dead 2/87

Necrovore- Divus De Mortuus 3/87

Carcass- Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment 4/4/87

Death- Scream Bloody Gore 5/25/87

Rigor Mortis- Decomposed 7/6/87

Merciless- Behind the Black Door 7/8/87

Sarcofago- I.N.R.I. 8/87

Amon- Feasting the Beast 8/87

Sepultura- Schizophrenia 10/30/87

Autopsy- 1987 Demo 12/1/87

Morbid Angel- Thy Kingdom Come 87

Necrodeath- Into the Macabre 87



1988

Massacra- Final Holocaust 2/88

Nihilist- Premature Autopsy 3/88

Atheist- Beyond 4/10/88

Bolt Thrower- In Battle There Is No Law! 6/12/88

Morgoth- Pits of Utumno 6/88

Mutilated- Psychodeath Lunatics 6/88

Immolation- ’88 Demo 7/5/88

Autopsy- Critical Madness 7/10/88

Carcass- Reek of Putrefaction 7/88

Death- Leprosy 11/16/88

Blood Spill- Demo 88



1989

Carnage- The Day Man Lost 1/89

Darkthrone- Thulcandra 3/89

Autopsy- Severed Survival 4/24/89

Morbid Angel- Altars of Madness 5/12/89

Repulsion- Horrified 5/29/89

Immolation- Immolation 6/4/89

Obituary- Slowly We Rot 6/14/89

Blood- Impulse to Destroy 8/4/89

Atheist- Piece of Time 8/30/89

Nihilist- Drowned 8/89

Paradise Lost- Frozen Illusion 8/89

Grave- Anatomia Corporis Humani 8/89

Sepultura- Beneath the Remains 9/5/89

Terrorizer- World Downfall 10/13/89

Bolt Thrower- Realm of Chaos 10/28/89

Carcass- Symphony of Sickness 11/4/89

Morgoth- Resurrection Absurd 11/27/89

Carnage- Infestation of Evil 11/89

Therion- Beyond the Darkest Veils of Inner Wickedness 11/89

Darkthrone- Cromlech 11/89

Pestilence- Consuming Impulse 12/25/89

Asphyx- Mutilating Process 12/89

Amon- Sacrificial 89

Nihilist- Only Shreds Remain 89

Entombed- But Life Goes On 89

Dismember- Last Blasphemies 89

Sempiternal Deathreign- The Spooky Gloom 89



1990

Paradise Lost- Lost Paradise 1/90

Cynic- Demo 1990 1/90

Massacra- Final Holocaust 2/7/90

Abhorrence- Vulgar Necrolatry 2/11/90

Death- Spiritual Healing 2/16/90

Carnage- Dark Recollections 2/90

Merciless- The Awakening 2/90

Sinister- Perpetual Damnation 3/17/90

Necrophobic- Slow Asphyxiation 3/90

Cancer- To the Gory End 5/15/90

Morgoth- The Eternal Fall 5/90

Entombed- Left Hand Path 6/4/90

Old Funeral- Abduction of Limbs 6/90

Napalm Death- Harmony Corruption 7/1/90

Deicide- Deicide 7/3/90

Abhorrence- Abhorrence 7/4/90

Suffocation- Reincremated 7/90

Cannibal Corpse- Eaten Back to Life 8/17/90

Disharmonic Orchestra- Expositionsprophylaxe 8/90

Incantation- Entrantment of Evil 8/90

Dismember- Reborn in Blasphemy 8/90

Grotesque- Incantation 8/90

Nocturnus- The Key 8/90

Obituary- Cause of Death 9/19/90

Atrocity- Hallucinations 10/15/90

Unholy- Demo 11.90 11/13/90

Vader- Morbid Reich 11/15/90

Cadaver- Hallucinating Anxiety 11/90

Master- Master 90

Obliveon- From This Day Forward 90

Winter- Into Darkness 90

Abomination- Abomination 90

Sadistic Intent- Impending Doom 90

Dr. Shrinker- The Eponym 90

Therion- Time Shall Tell 90

Cenotaph- Tenebrous Apparitions 90

Carbonized- No Canonization 90

Nuclear Death- Bride of Insect 90

My Dying Bride- Towards the Sinister 90



1991

Darkthrone- Soulside Journey 1/13/91

Sinister- Sinister 1/91

Therion- …Of Darkness 2/91

Autopsy- Retribution For the Dead 2/91

Cenotaph- The Eternal Disgrace 3/17/91

Asphyx- The Rack 4/13/91

Necrophobic- Unholy Prophecies 4/19/91

Autopsy- Mental Funeral 4/22/91

Malevolent Creation- The Ten Commandments 4/24/91

Unleashed- Where No Life Dwells 5/1/91

Suffocation- Human Waste 5/1/91

Dismember- Like An Ever Flowing Stream 5/29/91

Ripping Corpse- Dreaming With the Dead 6/1/91

Old Funeral- Devoured Carcass 6/17/91

Nuclear Death- Carrion For Worm 6/17/91

Bolt Thrower- Warmaster 7/1/91

Massacre- From Beyond 7/1/91

Morbid Angel- Blessed Are the Sick 7/5/91

Immolation- Dawn of Possession 7/19/91

Demilich- The Four Instructive Tales… of Decomposition 7/91

Grave- Into the Grave 8/1/91

Atheist- Unquestionable Presence 8/30/91

Morbid Angel- Abominations of Desolation 9/2/91

Pestilence- Testimony of the Ancients 9/6/91

Sorcery- Bloodchilling Tales 9/91

Septic Flesh- Temple of the Lost Race 9/91

Carcass- Necroticism – Descanting the Insalubrious 10/3/91

Suffocation- Effigy of the Forgotten 10/8/91

Gorguts- Considered Dead 10/8/91

Benediction- The Grand Leveller 10/10/91

Death- Human 10/22/91

Liers in Wait- Spiritually Uncontrolled Art 10/91

Thou Shalt Suffer- Into the Woods of Belial 10/91

General Surgery- Necrology 11/4/91

Entombed- Clandestine 11/12/91

Incantation- Deliverance of Horrific Prophecies 11/13/91

Sentenced- Shadows of the Past 11/91

Blasphereion- Rest in Peace 11/91

Deceased- Luck of the Corpse 12/91

Sororicide- The Entity 12/91

Massacra- Enjoy the Violence 91

Carbonized- For the Security 91

Revenant- Prophecies of a Dying World 91

Mortuary- Blackened Images 91

Master- On the Seventh Day God Created… Master 91

Gorefest- Mindloss 91

Demigod- Unholy Domain 91

At the Gates- Gardens of Grief 91

Cynic- Demo 1991 91

Cartilage- In Godly Flesh 91

Agonized- Gods… 91



1992

Therion- Beyond Sanctorum 1/92

Crematory- Denial 1/92

Pathologist- Putrefactive and Cadaverous Odes About Necroticism 1/92

Torchure- Beyond the Veil 2/25/92

Eternal Darkness- Doomed 2/92

Cradle of Filth- Orgiastic Pleasures Foul 2/92

Deicide- Legion 3/1/92

Autopsy- Fiend for Blood 3/92

Sentenced – Journey to Pohjola 3/92

Malevolent Creation- Retribution 4/1/92

Obituary- The End Complete 4/21/92

Timeghoul- Tumultuous Travelings 4/92

Unleashed- Shadows in the Deep 5/1/92

Incantation- Onward to Golgotha 5/5/92

Baphomet- The Dead Shall Inherit 5/5/92

Monstrosity- Imperial Doom 5/26/92

Cianide- The Dying Truth 6/2/92

Mercyless- Abject Offerings 6/2/92

Fleshcrawl- Descend into the Absurd 6/8/92

Séance- Fornever Laid to Rest 6/8/92

Asphyx- Crush the Cenotaph 6/20/92

Napalm Death- Utopia Banished 6/23/92

Asphyx- Last One on Earth 6/92

Cemetary- An Evil Shade of Grey 6/92

Massacra- Signs of the Decline 6/92

At the Gates- The Red in the Sky Is Ours 7/27/92

Bolt Thrower- The IVth Crusade 9/2/92

Hypocrisy- Penetralia 9/5/92

Atrocity- Todessehnsucht 9/22/92

Cannibal Corpse- Tomb of the Mutilated 9/22/92

Miasma- Changes 10/5/92

Autopsy- Acts of the Unspeakable 10/12/92

Gorefest- False 10/15/92

Accidental Suicide- Deceased 10/30/92

Cadaver- …in Pains 10/92

Amorphis- The Karelian Isthmus 11/1/92

Demigod- Slumber of Sullen Eyes 92

Sinister- Cross the Styx 92

Morpheus Descends- Ritual of Infinity 92

Vader- The Ultimate Incantation 92

Cenotaph- The Gloomy Reflection of Our Hidden Sorrows 92

Blood- Christbait 92

Necrophiliac- Chaopula – Citadel of Mirrors 92

Torturer- Oppressed By the Force 92

Afterlife- Surreality 92

Purtenance- Member of Immortal Damnation 92

Pentacrostic- The Pain Tears 92

Belial- Wisdom of Darkness 92

Cartilage- The Fragile Concept of Affection 92

Disembowelment- Dusk 92

Adramelech- Spring of Recovery 92

Magus- Ruminations of Debauchery 92

Absu- The Temples of Offal 92

Imprecation- Ceremony of the Nine Angles 92

Infester- Darkness Unveiled 92



1993

Absu- Barathrum: V.I.T.R.I.O.L. 1/1/93

Gorguts- The Erosion of Sanity 1/18/93

Crucifier- Unparalleled Majesty 1/93

Demilich- Nespithe 2/8/93

Unanimated- In the Forest of the Dreaming Dead 2/93

Disincarnate- Dreams of the Carrion Kind 3/23/93

Pestilence- Spheres 5/3/93

At the Gates- With Fear I Kiss the Burning Darkness 5/7/93

Depravity- Silence of the Centuries 5/9/93

Suffocation- Breeding the Spawn 5/18/93

Divine Eve- As the Angel’s Weep 5/93

Sentenced- North From Here 6/1/93

Morbid Angel- Covenant 6/22/93

Deteriorate- Rotting in Hell 6/93

Ceremonium- Nightfall in Heaven 6/93

Cryptopsy- Ungentle Exhumation 7/15/93

Graveside- Sinful Accession 7/93

Necrophobic- The Nocturnal Silence 8/2/93

Brutality- Screams of Anguish 9/28/93

Pathologist- Grinding Opus of Forensic Medical Problems 9/93

Mercyless- Coloured Funeral 10/9/93

Hypocrisy- Osculum Obscenum 10/12/93

Organic Infest- Penitence 10/12/93

Sinister- Diabolical Summoning 11/9/93

Kataklysm- The Mystical Gate of Reincarnation 11/30/93

Amorphis- Privilege of Evil 12/5/93

Dismember- Indecent and Obscene 12/7/93

God Macabre- The Winterlong 12/13/93

Rottrevore- Iniquitous 12/93

Blood- O Agios Pethane 93

Disembowelment- Transcendence into the Peripheral 93

Resurrection- Embalmed Existence 93

Eucharist- A Velvet Creation 93

Séance- Saltrubbed Eyes 93

Morgue- Eroded Thoughts 93

Creepmime- Shadows 93

Torchure- The Essence 93

Ceremony- Tyranny From Above 93

Pyrexia- Sermon of Mockery 93

Malediction- Chronicles of Dissention 93

Supuration- The Cube 93

Morta Skuld- Dying Remains 93

Necrony- Pathological Performances 93

Paramaecium- Exhumed of the Earth 93

Carbonized- Disharmonization 93

Unholy- From the Shadows 93

Crucifixion- Desert of Shattered Hopes 93

Utumno- Across the Horizon 93

Suffer- Global Warming 93

Belial- The Gods of the Pit pt. II (Paragon So Below) 93

Mythic- Mourning in the Winter Solstice 93

Rippikoulu- Musta seremonia 93

Imprecation- Sigil of Baphomet 93

Sororicide- Demo 1 93



1994

Betrayer- Calamity 1/27/94

Sadistic Intent- Resurrection 1/94

Incantation- Mortal Throne of Nazarene 3/11/94

Gutted- Bleed For Us to Live 3/29/94

Oppressor- Solstice of Oppression 4/9/94

Gorement- The Ending Quest 5/15/94

Fleshcrawl- Impurity 5/31/94

Napalm Death- Fear, Emptiness, Despair 5/31/94

Cianide- A Descent into Hell 7/12/94

Asphyx- Asphyx 7/16/94

Cenotaph- Riding Our Black Oceans 7/94

Ancient Rites- The Diabolic Serenades 11/1/94

Bolt Thrower- …for Victory 11/24/94

Cryptopsy- Blasphemy Made Flesh 11/25/94

Hetsheads- We Hail the Possessed… 11/94

Infester- To the Depths, in Degradation 94

Luciferion- Demonication (The Manifest) 94

Morpheus Descends- Chronicles of the Shadowed Ones 94

Septic Flesh- Mystic Places of Dawn 94

Uncanny- Splenium for Nyktophobia 94

Suffer- Structures 94

Timeghoul- Panoramic Twilight 94

Sapremia- Existence of Torture



1995

Immolation- Stepping on Angels… Before Dawn 1/95

Imprecation- Theurgia Goetia Summa 1/95

Deicide- Once Upon the Cross 4/17/95

Suffocation- Pierced From Within 5/1/95

Morbid Angel- Domination 5/9/95

Molested- Blod-Draum 5/13/95

Horgkomostropus- Lúgubre Resurrección 5/95

Adramelech- The Fall 6/11/95

Sinister- Hate 7/1/95

Incantation- Upon the Throne of Apocalypse 8/1/95

Deceased- The Blueprints for Madness 9/95

Drogheda- Pogromist 10/95

Vader- De Profundis 95

Ceremonium- Into the Autumn Shade 95

Maleficarum- Across the Heavens 95

Deeds of Flesh- Gradually Melted 95

Mortem- Demon Tales 95

Strangulation- Between Nothing and Eternity 95

Tempestas- Euphony of Contradictions 95





1996

Immolation- Here in After 2/13/96

Nyctophobic- War Criminal Views 2/96

Fleshcrawl- Bloodsoul 6/4/96

Adramelech- Psychostasia 6/22/96

Kataklysm- Temple of Knowledge 6/30/96

Cryptopsy- None So Vile 7/3/96

Monstrosity- Millennium 8/96

Angelcorpse- Hammer of Gods 8/96

Asphyx- Embrace the Death 11/19/96

Fallen Christ- Abduction Ritual 96

Crimson Relic- Purgatory’s Reign 96

Asgard- To a Golden Age 96

Grotesque – In the Embrace of Evil 96


Just a small point, but Bestial Devastation is one of those borderline ones like Seven Churches, while Schizophrenia and Beneath the Remains are solidly thrash to my ears.

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Wahn_nhaW
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:59 am 
 

We're all over the place now, which just goes to show how nebulous the concept of "heaviness" is.

Caspian, you listen to all those ultra dooooom maniacs, isn't there something there that is a contender for this thread? :D

EDIT: I know you said you didn't want just a doom metal list, but surely some select stuff belongs here?
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blackdiamond74
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:25 am 
 

Someone on the first page mentioned Monotheist, and to me, that reset the ledger of what "heaviness" is for me, however ambivalent that term is. From that 1st riff of Progeny thru Synagoga Satanae it pummels. And not like in a 1349 way - there's places to breathe. A song like A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh that doesn't include fast riffing or double bass still retains and permeates the overall mood and atmosphere of the record.

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colin040
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:36 am 
 

blackdiamond74 wrote:
Someone on the first page mentioned Monotheist, and to me, that reset the ledger of what "heaviness" is for me, however ambivalent that term is. From that 1st riff of Progeny thru Synagoga Satanae it pummels. And not like in a 1349 way - there's places to breathe. A song like A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh that doesn't include fast riffing or double bass still retains and permeates the overall mood and atmosphere of the record.


I really disagree here - the production adds a sense of heaviness to that album, sure, but the riffs themselves aren't all that impressively heavy at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 12:45 pm 
 

blackdiamond74 wrote:
Someone on the first page mentioned Monotheist, and to me, that reset the ledger of what "heaviness" is for me, however ambivalent that term is. From that 1st riff of Progeny thru Synagoga Satanae it pummels. And not like in a 1349 way - there's places to breathe. A song like A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh that doesn't include fast riffing or double bass still retains and permeates the overall mood and atmosphere of the record.


I agree with this. To me being heavy is almost the anthithesis of being fast. Generally heavy objects are slower and more pummeling while smaller objects are fast and chaotic in their movements. Does that go for any double bass drumming? Of course not but to me Dark Funeral isn't that heavy of a band while Celtic Frosts Monotheist is one of the heaviest records I know of. This is also why the self titled track from Black Sabbath is so heavy. Its not focused on speed but on slow and heavy riffing (of course picking up in the second part of the song though).

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blackdiamond74 wrote:
Someone on the first page mentioned Monotheist, and to me, that reset the ledger of what "heaviness" is for me, however ambivalent that term is. From that 1st riff of Progeny thru Synagoga Satanae it pummels. And not like in a 1349 way - there's places to breathe. A song like A Dying God Coming Into Human Flesh that doesn't include fast riffing or double bass still retains and permeates the overall mood and atmosphere of the record.


I did.

When an album is only or mostly fast as hell blasts and tremolo riffs, that tremendous speed displayed loses its heavy effect pretty fast. In an album like, say, Diabolis Interium, you listen the first couple of tracks and the rest is just more of the same. It stops being interesting or defiant to the ears.

See brutal death metal or slam; that shit can't be less truly heavy. It's mostly a monotonous gravity blast section followed by a slow breakdown. The blast is meaningless in terms of perceived aggression/heaviness. It gets so normalized and so fast that anything slower would actually sound better and more impactful.

That's why Tom G Warrior remains to be as one of the most important songwriters in extreme metal as a whole. Monotheist and now Triptykon are simply CRUSHING. The riffs are nothing complex, but they are effective as hell, mainly because the songs are just so fucking well written. The dynamics, the moods, the flow of the different intensities in each song hits you hard. It also helps that Tom got his production values right and his albums sound damn MONSTRUOUS.

Take Goetia, for example. It builds some atmosphere for the first minutes, then to goes all fast with double bass on an old school death metal pacing and when the chorus hits, it fucking CRUSHES. That's masterful songwriting right there.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:34 pm 
 

Lord Tempestuous wrote:
Death Metal Chronology:
Spoiler: show
1985

Death Strike- Fuckin’ Death 1/85

Death- Infernal Death 3/9/85

Possessed- Seven Churches 10/16/85

Sepultura- Bestial Devastation 12/85



1986

Death – Mutilation 4/86

Sepultura- Morbid Visions 11/10/86

Morbid Angel- Scream Forth Blasphemies 86

Repulsion- Slaughter of the Innocent 86

Xecutioner- Demo 1986 86



1987

Necrophagia- Season of the Dead 2/87

Necrovore- Divus De Mortuus 3/87

Carcass- Flesh Ripping Sonic Torment 4/4/87

Death- Scream Bloody Gore 5/25/87

Rigor Mortis- Decomposed 7/6/87

Merciless- Behind the Black Door 7/8/87

Sarcofago- I.N.R.I. 8/87

Amon- Feasting the Beast 8/87

Sepultura- Schizophrenia 10/30/87

Autopsy- 1987 Demo 12/1/87

Morbid Angel- Thy Kingdom Come 87

Necrodeath- Into the Macabre 87



1988

Massacra- Final Holocaust 2/88

Nihilist- Premature Autopsy 3/88

Atheist- Beyond 4/10/88

Bolt Thrower- In Battle There Is No Law! 6/12/88

Morgoth- Pits of Utumno 6/88

Mutilated- Psychodeath Lunatics 6/88

Immolation- ’88 Demo 7/5/88

Autopsy- Critical Madness 7/10/88

Carcass- Reek of Putrefaction 7/88

Death- Leprosy 11/16/88

Blood Spill- Demo 88



1989

Carnage- The Day Man Lost 1/89

Darkthrone- Thulcandra 3/89

Autopsy- Severed Survival 4/24/89

Morbid Angel- Altars of Madness 5/12/89

Repulsion- Horrified 5/29/89

Immolation- Immolation 6/4/89

Obituary- Slowly We Rot 6/14/89

Blood- Impulse to Destroy 8/4/89

Atheist- Piece of Time 8/30/89

Nihilist- Drowned 8/89

Paradise Lost- Frozen Illusion 8/89

Grave- Anatomia Corporis Humani 8/89

Sepultura- Beneath the Remains 9/5/89

Terrorizer- World Downfall 10/13/89

Bolt Thrower- Realm of Chaos 10/28/89

Carcass- Symphony of Sickness 11/4/89

Morgoth- Resurrection Absurd 11/27/89

Carnage- Infestation of Evil 11/89

Therion- Beyond the Darkest Veils of Inner Wickedness 11/89

Darkthrone- Cromlech 11/89

Pestilence- Consuming Impulse 12/25/89

Asphyx- Mutilating Process 12/89

Amon- Sacrificial 89

Nihilist- Only Shreds Remain 89

Entombed- But Life Goes On 89

Dismember- Last Blasphemies 89

Sempiternal Deathreign- The Spooky Gloom 89



1990

Paradise Lost- Lost Paradise 1/90

Cynic- Demo 1990 1/90

Massacra- Final Holocaust 2/7/90

Abhorrence- Vulgar Necrolatry 2/11/90

Death- Spiritual Healing 2/16/90

Carnage- Dark Recollections 2/90

Merciless- The Awakening 2/90

Sinister- Perpetual Damnation 3/17/90

Necrophobic- Slow Asphyxiation 3/90

Cancer- To the Gory End 5/15/90

Morgoth- The Eternal Fall 5/90

Entombed- Left Hand Path 6/4/90

Old Funeral- Abduction of Limbs 6/90

Napalm Death- Harmony Corruption 7/1/90

Deicide- Deicide 7/3/90

Abhorrence- Abhorrence 7/4/90

Suffocation- Reincremated 7/90

Cannibal Corpse- Eaten Back to Life 8/17/90

Disharmonic Orchestra- Expositionsprophylaxe 8/90

Incantation- Entrantment of Evil 8/90

Dismember- Reborn in Blasphemy 8/90

Grotesque- Incantation 8/90

Nocturnus- The Key 8/90

Obituary- Cause of Death 9/19/90

Atrocity- Hallucinations 10/15/90

Unholy- Demo 11.90 11/13/90

Vader- Morbid Reich 11/15/90

Cadaver- Hallucinating Anxiety 11/90

Master- Master 90

Obliveon- From This Day Forward 90

Winter- Into Darkness 90

Abomination- Abomination 90

Sadistic Intent- Impending Doom 90

Dr. Shrinker- The Eponym 90

Therion- Time Shall Tell 90

Cenotaph- Tenebrous Apparitions 90

Carbonized- No Canonization 90

Nuclear Death- Bride of Insect 90

My Dying Bride- Towards the Sinister 90



1991

Darkthrone- Soulside Journey 1/13/91

Sinister- Sinister 1/91

Therion- …Of Darkness 2/91

Autopsy- Retribution For the Dead 2/91

Cenotaph- The Eternal Disgrace 3/17/91

Asphyx- The Rack 4/13/91

Necrophobic- Unholy Prophecies 4/19/91

Autopsy- Mental Funeral 4/22/91

Malevolent Creation- The Ten Commandments 4/24/91

Unleashed- Where No Life Dwells 5/1/91

Suffocation- Human Waste 5/1/91

Dismember- Like An Ever Flowing Stream 5/29/91

Ripping Corpse- Dreaming With the Dead 6/1/91

Old Funeral- Devoured Carcass 6/17/91

Nuclear Death- Carrion For Worm 6/17/91

Bolt Thrower- Warmaster 7/1/91

Massacre- From Beyond 7/1/91

Morbid Angel- Blessed Are the Sick 7/5/91

Immolation- Dawn of Possession 7/19/91

Demilich- The Four Instructive Tales… of Decomposition 7/91

Grave- Into the Grave 8/1/91

Atheist- Unquestionable Presence 8/30/91

Morbid Angel- Abominations of Desolation 9/2/91

Pestilence- Testimony of the Ancients 9/6/91

Sorcery- Bloodchilling Tales 9/91

Septic Flesh- Temple of the Lost Race 9/91

Carcass- Necroticism – Descanting the Insalubrious 10/3/91

Suffocation- Effigy of the Forgotten 10/8/91

Gorguts- Considered Dead 10/8/91

Benediction- The Grand Leveller 10/10/91

Death- Human 10/22/91

Liers in Wait- Spiritually Uncontrolled Art 10/91

Thou Shalt Suffer- Into the Woods of Belial 10/91

General Surgery- Necrology 11/4/91

Entombed- Clandestine 11/12/91

Incantation- Deliverance of Horrific Prophecies 11/13/91

Sentenced- Shadows of the Past 11/91

Blasphereion- Rest in Peace 11/91

Deceased- Luck of the Corpse 12/91

Sororicide- The Entity 12/91

Massacra- Enjoy the Violence 91

Carbonized- For the Security 91

Revenant- Prophecies of a Dying World 91

Mortuary- Blackened Images 91

Master- On the Seventh Day God Created… Master 91

Gorefest- Mindloss 91

Demigod- Unholy Domain 91

At the Gates- Gardens of Grief 91

Cynic- Demo 1991 91

Cartilage- In Godly Flesh 91

Agonized- Gods… 91



1992

Therion- Beyond Sanctorum 1/92

Crematory- Denial 1/92

Pathologist- Putrefactive and Cadaverous Odes About Necroticism 1/92

Torchure- Beyond the Veil 2/25/92

Eternal Darkness- Doomed 2/92

Cradle of Filth- Orgiastic Pleasures Foul 2/92

Deicide- Legion 3/1/92

Autopsy- Fiend for Blood 3/92

Sentenced – Journey to Pohjola 3/92

Malevolent Creation- Retribution 4/1/92

Obituary- The End Complete 4/21/92

Timeghoul- Tumultuous Travelings 4/92

Unleashed- Shadows in the Deep 5/1/92

Incantation- Onward to Golgotha 5/5/92

Baphomet- The Dead Shall Inherit 5/5/92

Monstrosity- Imperial Doom 5/26/92

Cianide- The Dying Truth 6/2/92

Mercyless- Abject Offerings 6/2/92

Fleshcrawl- Descend into the Absurd 6/8/92

Séance- Fornever Laid to Rest 6/8/92

Asphyx- Crush the Cenotaph 6/20/92

Napalm Death- Utopia Banished 6/23/92

Asphyx- Last One on Earth 6/92

Cemetary- An Evil Shade of Grey 6/92

Massacra- Signs of the Decline 6/92

At the Gates- The Red in the Sky Is Ours 7/27/92

Bolt Thrower- The IVth Crusade 9/2/92

Hypocrisy- Penetralia 9/5/92

Atrocity- Todessehnsucht 9/22/92

Cannibal Corpse- Tomb of the Mutilated 9/22/92

Miasma- Changes 10/5/92

Autopsy- Acts of the Unspeakable 10/12/92

Gorefest- False 10/15/92

Accidental Suicide- Deceased 10/30/92

Cadaver- …in Pains 10/92

Amorphis- The Karelian Isthmus 11/1/92

Demigod- Slumber of Sullen Eyes 92

Sinister- Cross the Styx 92

Morpheus Descends- Ritual of Infinity 92

Vader- The Ultimate Incantation 92

Cenotaph- The Gloomy Reflection of Our Hidden Sorrows 92

Blood- Christbait 92

Necrophiliac- Chaopula – Citadel of Mirrors 92

Torturer- Oppressed By the Force 92

Afterlife- Surreality 92

Purtenance- Member of Immortal Damnation 92

Pentacrostic- The Pain Tears 92

Belial- Wisdom of Darkness 92

Cartilage- The Fragile Concept of Affection 92

Disembowelment- Dusk 92

Adramelech- Spring of Recovery 92

Magus- Ruminations of Debauchery 92

Absu- The Temples of Offal 92

Imprecation- Ceremony of the Nine Angles 92

Infester- Darkness Unveiled 92



1993

Absu- Barathrum: V.I.T.R.I.O.L. 1/1/93

Gorguts- The Erosion of Sanity 1/18/93

Crucifier- Unparalleled Majesty 1/93

Demilich- Nespithe 2/8/93

Unanimated- In the Forest of the Dreaming Dead 2/93

Disincarnate- Dreams of the Carrion Kind 3/23/93

Pestilence- Spheres 5/3/93

At the Gates- With Fear I Kiss the Burning Darkness 5/7/93

Depravity- Silence of the Centuries 5/9/93

Suffocation- Breeding the Spawn 5/18/93

Divine Eve- As the Angel’s Weep 5/93

Sentenced- North From Here 6/1/93

Morbid Angel- Covenant 6/22/93

Deteriorate- Rotting in Hell 6/93

Ceremonium- Nightfall in Heaven 6/93

Cryptopsy- Ungentle Exhumation 7/15/93

Graveside- Sinful Accession 7/93

Necrophobic- The Nocturnal Silence 8/2/93

Brutality- Screams of Anguish 9/28/93

Pathologist- Grinding Opus of Forensic Medical Problems 9/93

Mercyless- Coloured Funeral 10/9/93

Hypocrisy- Osculum Obscenum 10/12/93

Organic Infest- Penitence 10/12/93

Sinister- Diabolical Summoning 11/9/93

Kataklysm- The Mystical Gate of Reincarnation 11/30/93

Amorphis- Privilege of Evil 12/5/93

Dismember- Indecent and Obscene 12/7/93

God Macabre- The Winterlong 12/13/93

Rottrevore- Iniquitous 12/93

Blood- O Agios Pethane 93

Disembowelment- Transcendence into the Peripheral 93

Resurrection- Embalmed Existence 93

Eucharist- A Velvet Creation 93

Séance- Saltrubbed Eyes 93

Morgue- Eroded Thoughts 93

Creepmime- Shadows 93

Torchure- The Essence 93

Ceremony- Tyranny From Above 93

Pyrexia- Sermon of Mockery 93

Malediction- Chronicles of Dissention 93

Supuration- The Cube 93

Morta Skuld- Dying Remains 93

Necrony- Pathological Performances 93

Paramaecium- Exhumed of the Earth 93

Carbonized- Disharmonization 93

Unholy- From the Shadows 93

Crucifixion- Desert of Shattered Hopes 93

Utumno- Across the Horizon 93

Suffer- Global Warming 93

Belial- The Gods of the Pit pt. II (Paragon So Below) 93

Mythic- Mourning in the Winter Solstice 93

Rippikoulu- Musta seremonia 93

Imprecation- Sigil of Baphomet 93

Sororicide- Demo 1 93



1994

Betrayer- Calamity 1/27/94

Sadistic Intent- Resurrection 1/94

Incantation- Mortal Throne of Nazarene 3/11/94

Gutted- Bleed For Us to Live 3/29/94

Oppressor- Solstice of Oppression 4/9/94

Gorement- The Ending Quest 5/15/94

Fleshcrawl- Impurity 5/31/94

Napalm Death- Fear, Emptiness, Despair 5/31/94

Cianide- A Descent into Hell 7/12/94

Asphyx- Asphyx 7/16/94

Cenotaph- Riding Our Black Oceans 7/94

Ancient Rites- The Diabolic Serenades 11/1/94

Bolt Thrower- …for Victory 11/24/94

Cryptopsy- Blasphemy Made Flesh 11/25/94

Hetsheads- We Hail the Possessed… 11/94

Infester- To the Depths, in Degradation 94

Luciferion- Demonication (The Manifest) 94

Morpheus Descends- Chronicles of the Shadowed Ones 94

Septic Flesh- Mystic Places of Dawn 94

Uncanny- Splenium for Nyktophobia 94

Suffer- Structures 94

Timeghoul- Panoramic Twilight 94

Sapremia- Existence of Torture



1995

Immolation- Stepping on Angels… Before Dawn 1/95

Imprecation- Theurgia Goetia Summa 1/95

Deicide- Once Upon the Cross 4/17/95

Suffocation- Pierced From Within 5/1/95

Morbid Angel- Domination 5/9/95

Molested- Blod-Draum 5/13/95

Horgkomostropus- Lúgubre Resurrección 5/95

Adramelech- The Fall 6/11/95

Sinister- Hate 7/1/95

Incantation- Upon the Throne of Apocalypse 8/1/95

Deceased- The Blueprints for Madness 9/95

Drogheda- Pogromist 10/95

Vader- De Profundis 95

Ceremonium- Into the Autumn Shade 95

Maleficarum- Across the Heavens 95

Deeds of Flesh- Gradually Melted 95

Mortem- Demon Tales 95

Strangulation- Between Nothing and Eternity 95

Tempestas- Euphony of Contradictions 95





1996

Immolation- Here in After 2/13/96

Nyctophobic- War Criminal Views 2/96

Fleshcrawl- Bloodsoul 6/4/96

Adramelech- Psychostasia 6/22/96

Kataklysm- Temple of Knowledge 6/30/96

Cryptopsy- None So Vile 7/3/96

Monstrosity- Millennium 8/96

Angelcorpse- Hammer of Gods 8/96

Asphyx- Embrace the Death 11/19/96

Fallen Christ- Abduction Ritual 96

Crimson Relic- Purgatory’s Reign 96

Asgard- To a Golden Age 96

Grotesque – In the Embrace of Evil 96


Nice list, don't forget Terminal Death's "Faces of Death" demo though, easily the most 'death metal' thing to come out of Chicago in 1985.

Back to the original topic. I am surprised no-one has mentioned "Streetcleaner" (1989), which has that ultra-heavy hip-hop bass sound alongside monstrous guitars.
That album was clearly influenced by "Cop" by Swans (1984), which isn't metal but is almost certainly the heaviest album up until that point.

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Morn Of Solace wrote:
lord_ghengis wrote:
DecemberSoul wrote:
Neither did Death spawn the genre on their own, other bands made invaluable inputs too. Suffocation, on the other hand, have clearly become the more influential of the two - see amount of bands that sound closer to either them or Death.


Most of your post is tryhard wankery, but this is an interesting point. Death probably got more people into death metal, I mean they were and are insanely huge as far as death metal listener bases go, but Suffocation spawned a fuck load more direct clones.


I usually don't judge on the basis of direct clones, but more on the overall influence. I think that if we put togheter the number of bands that where inspired by both the early era and by the gradual shift to prog in the later years even a hugely influential band like Suffocation can't stand a chance.

It's kinda like the Metallica effect: not that many bands try to exactly copy them, but their influence is vast and extends to multiple and diverse genres (Slayer, Gojira, Trivium, Dream Theater.. to name few big ones)


Well yeah that's why I said it was an interesting point. I myself probably lean more towards the more direct "that riff is clearly based off Liege of Inveracity" being the more viable one, but a broader more widespread influence is certainly something valid.
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People saying Monotheist or Triptykon.. man. I like Tom G. But you spend 10 seconds on Enmity's Illuminations and it's immediately obvious which ones is heavier. This is a slightly less dumb version of the "miles davis was fucken HEAVY" argument. I don't think "heaviness" in and of itself is a sign of quality, btw; you can hate something and acknowledge that it's heavy.

Wahn_nhaW wrote:
We're all over the place now, which just goes to show how nebulous the concept of "heaviness" is.

Caspian, you listen to all those ultra dooooom maniacs, isn't there something there that is a contender for this thread? :D

EDIT: I know you said you didn't want just a doom metal list, but surely some select stuff belongs here?


Yeah I dunno man, I think doom is certainly very heavy but speed is an important part of the package. Anyone can crank out a slow chromatic riff on a guitar tuned to A and come away with something pretty heavy, but I don't think stuff like that has been boundary pushing for decades.
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caspian wrote:
Yeah I dunno man, I think doom is certainly very heavy but speed is an important part of the package. Anyone can crank out a slow chromatic riff on a guitar tuned to A and come away with something pretty heavy, but I don't think stuff like that has been boundary pushing for decades.


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I agree with the assessment that, by the 1990s, what constitutes "heavy" became very nebulous and arguably up to opinion due to the constant one-upmanship going on and pushing the boundaries of noise. Heck, for a while there I'd argue some of the heaviest bands weren't even metal bands (or at least traditionally seen as metal in their time) but in fact punk and noise rock bands.

After all, before Venom or Metallica, we had Discharge and the loads of d-beat that followed and influenced the bands to come.

And this is pretty slow and fat from '90, with levels of distortion normally only found in death metal bands of the time

I disagree with the idea that speed is intrinsic to heaviness. I agree it was necessary to push the boundaries of heaviness, but I've long held there are different tiers of heaviness. One side is based on speed and aggression, and the other on pure thickness and a wall of sound. It's hard to make a "thick" sounding speed/thrash/death metal song the same way you can with doom, sludge, stoner, or post-metal just because part of it comes from letting the distortion feed back into itself rather than chug or drive.

Likewise, it's damn near impossible to make a brutal chugging, tapping, gallopping, or chaotic doom metal song. Just using Electric Wizard as an example, I find "I, The Witchfinder" brutally heavy but also find the tempo-shift in "Son of Nothing" one of their heaviest moments just because it takes that massive wall of sound and speeds it up. The fact it's a tempo shift might also explain some of it. So much of the album is slow to crushingly slow, and then this section hits forward in a piece that's not any faster than a Stooges track but is such a shift that it really hits you.

Speaking of which, does Sabbath's brand of heaviness override, say, the Stooges? Several songs off Funhouse and Raw Power have a ridiculous amount of energy, aggression, and loudness to them that, even if the Bowie mix wasn't as over-the-top as the Iggy version, still made it ultra-heavy for its time.

For some aspects of heaviness it comes down to the very texture and timbre of the music, though for others that sense of aggression is important. I can't say which one overrides the other. Does weight or aggression make something heavy? You'd think the former would matter more for obvious reasons, but plenty of people absolutely do think that anything slower than 80 bpm is lightweight no matter how fuzzed up it is.

Slightly off topic: One reason why I don't listen to most modern rock (and by modern rock, I mean the commonly misperceived "genre" that is a combobulation of post-grunge, metalcore, and alternative metal) is because I despise the guitar tuning used in it all. Most commonly drop-D. Tuning lower to get a heavier sound is something that goes back to the earliest days of metal, yet the typical butt-rock guitar tuning that's infested the sound since the 90s comes off to me as unearned heaviness. Or maybe it was just oversaturation making me sick of it.

Conversely one thing I've been thinking about stems from Dick Dale and the Melvins (doesn't that sound like the zaniest mashup ever).

Dick Dale's "Misirlou" or "Nitro" have no distortion. Just pure surf rock riffing:



These are somewhat heavy for undistorted guitar-work, and "Misirlou" in particular must've melted faces in 1962, but something very interesting happens when you unplug a black metal song...



The evilest songs Dick Dale never wrote! I'm thinking of Bestial Warlust or Darkthrone played on an acoustic guitar.

And then look at the Melvins' "Shevil"

This is basically a doom or sludge metal song "unplugged". Imagine a Cathedral or Acid Bath or SunnO))) track without any distortion whatsoever. It's gone from face-melting Buzzo sludge to post-rock that borders on ASMR music.

Distortion is a very big factor into what makes something heavy, perhaps more than just raw speed, hence my claim that noise rock artists were at the forefront of some of the "heaviest" music for a while. Because otherwise, jazz artists could've been ridiculously heavy if they electrified their drumming.

On that note:

As I recently discovered, 60s garage rock was heavier than I could expected or anticipated, and I've been fascinated by British freakbeat music— a lot of it was bordering on proto-metal half a decade before metal was a thing, when guitar distortion itself was still a new innovation.



Was it the heaviest ever? Well some of these were songs that hit louder than anything. Similar to Cromagnon's "Caledonia" (which I've mentioned on the forums before)— it's clearly heavier than anything Sabbath made in the '70s in terms of raw sound, but it's literally the only song of that style on the album, so it doesn't really count.


I didn't even mention how pure rhythm could be heavy— this is basically nü metal and djent's claim to fame— but I don't want to.

That was me rambling about distortion and the nature of heaviness.

The TLDR is that, after a certain point, you have to start discussing heaviness in fractured terms. Fast/aggressive heaviness, slow/thick heaviness, and rhythmic heaviness are three different beasts entirely.

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caspian wrote:
People saying Monotheist or Triptykon.. man. I like Tom G. But you spend 10 seconds on Enmity's Illuminations and it's immediately obvious which ones is heavier. This is a slightly less dumb version of the "miles davis was fucken HEAVY" argument. I don't think "heaviness" in and of itself is a sign of quality, btw; you can hate something and acknowledge that it's heavy.

Wahn_nhaW wrote:
We're all over the place now, which just goes to show how nebulous the concept of "heaviness" is.

Caspian, you listen to all those ultra dooooom maniacs, isn't there something there that is a contender for this thread? :D

EDIT: I know you said you didn't want just a doom metal list, but surely some select stuff belongs here?


Yeah I dunno man, I think doom is certainly very heavy but speed is an important part of the package. Anyone can crank out a slow chromatic riff on a guitar tuned to A and come away with something pretty heavy, but I don't think stuff like that has been boundary pushing for decades.


I could say that, I dunno, Incantation's Mortal Throne of Nazarene is absolutely far heaviest than that Enmity album in terms of sheer crushing heaviness, sonic power and atmosphere. That Enmity album is fucking boring btw. You hear a thin as shit snare going clac clac clac and some cacophonies which aren't even excuses for riffs under some of the most weak willed vocals ever with a terribly weak production. Is that guy doing those sad squals and farts even trying to portay some aggression and brutality? Peter Tägtgren's vocal delivery in Nightmares Made Flesh is far more brutal than that entire album. Compare the vocals of Illuminations with Eaten's chorus or the scream at the end of Soul Evisceration. Or Craig Pillard's growls on MTON. Even Daniel Corchado's growls are completely more menacing and brutal than that "brutal" style of farts.

That sort of "heaviness" is all style but zero substance. It has zero real weight, it's all about flashy gravity blasts (which are played with zero strength) and low farts with zero power behind them.

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Yuli Ban wrote:
These are somewhat heavy for undistorted guitar-work, and "Misirlou" in particular must've melted faces in 1962, but something very interesting happens when you unplug a black metal song...


you might enjoy this beautiful collection of music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SyqQYNH1BU :)
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In my view, the heaviness "arms race" functionally ends at some point, (somewhere during first half of the 90s I'd say) because by the mid-80s or so "as extreme as possible" is an aesthetic and a concept that's sought by many. Once that's been out there and an idea for 5-10 years, you've already got low growling and blast beasts and down-tuned uber crunch. As far as I can tell, there aren't really any serious innovations in heaviness since that, unless you want to consider the ultra-slow doom stuff heavier than old DM, which I personally don't.

I don't usually consider, say, death metal from 95-2000 much heavier, if at all than from say 90-95. You start to reach "peak heaviness" or something close I think by '89-91, where you've got stuff like Realm of Chaos and Epidemic of Violence released.

I think some of the trends in extreme metal after the early 90s actually >reduced< heaviness as the quest for some extra BPM or a gurglier gurgle resulted in a certain "flatness of sound" that is counterproductive. Iommi said something about "the light and the shade," how you need something to contrast the heavy with so it you can fully appreciate how heavy it is (in Iommi's case, this would explain stuff like the hippie sunshine jammin' in the middle of "Supernaut")

Of course, heaviness is ultimately a subjective concept that can never truly be objectively defined.

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AmIKevill wrote:
Of course, heaviness is ultimately a subjective concept that can never truly be objectively defined.

This is a good sum up. Also, heavier = more extreme? In that case there's stuff that mixes death metal and noise that is completely bonkers in terms of heaviness compared to the classic stuff. Or stuff like this.


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AmIKevill wrote:
I think some of the trends in extreme metal after the early 90s actually >reduced< heaviness as the quest for some extra BPM or a gurglier gurgle resulted in a certain "flatness of sound" that is counterproductive. Iommi said something about "the light and the shade," how you need something to contrast the heavy with so it you can fully appreciate how heavy it is (in Iommi's case, this would explain stuff like the hippie sunshine jammin' in the middle of "Supernaut")


Yep! Anything on its own usually looses its impact. It is only in contrast its real qualities are revealed. This is why blasting black metal often turns into sonic ambience rather than that feeling of hyper speed (nothing wrong with that but it doesn't feel fast). Same with much of doom where everything is so slow you just get accustomed to it and suddenly it doesn't feel heavy. Those that combine it however really taked all a riff has inside of it and the contrast makes it feel faster or heavier. The surroundings make the heaviness stand out.

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Ezadara wrote:

And no way is None So Vile the heaviest record of 1996. It's a phenomenal album, but Cryptopsy were never among the heavier BDM bands in the game. I'd point to Mortician's Hacked Up For Barbecue as a contender for 1996's heaviest full length release.

Guess that goes to show the subjectivity of “heaviness” (a topic beat to death on these boards) because not only would I say NSV is a significantly better album, I would also comfortably assert it is far heavier. Easily.
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I think that it’s the combination of everything. You listen to a song, not just one instrument. Your brain isn’t filtering out the vocals. And even if you can’t understand the lyrics, it’s exceedingly rare, that the whole package, together, doesn’t give you some idea what it’s really about.

Motörhead’s bass tone is to me, heavier than you get with most death metal bands, actually. This is, maybe too simple, but the bass is more of a lead instrument. It has the mids boosted, all the way, so it will cut through anything. Whereas, a lot of death metal bands have a relatively clean sounding bass. But this makes sense, because they have two guitars, that are saturating everything way more. And usually they have the drummers play pretty fast, which, whether by equipment setup or production, requires a thinner drum sound.

I think that Sarcófago’s INRI, and Napalm Death’s Scum have some heavy drums. But a lot of tech death bands make the drums sound less heavy. But overall, the music is still heavy.
Keep in mind, Power Trip used E standard, less bassy, than most butt rock bands, but it’s no contest, who’s heavier. Des Kensel, and Dave Lombardo rarely use blast beats. They like to play fast, but what takes them from being good drummers, to great ones, is their fills. Anyone, who can keep time, and play fast, can play fast. But not everyone is capable of soundingbarbaric.

I hate to use the “just play something with soul, man” cop out, but attitude is irreplaceable. A band that sits around, huffing spray paint and chugging four locos, and coming up with “brutal” porno/copro/gore stuff qualifies as extreme, but not heavy. Boring can’t be all that heavy. Bolt Thrower songs, about soldiers and civilians with PTSD, oppression, devastation, and a world where no one is coming to save you, and those that claim to care about you are probably trying to get your money, or sacrifice you in a “holy war,” and you continue to fight it, in some way, will always be heavier than anything any “misogynistical rectal slamectomy,” or attention seeking “depressive” edgelord band could ever come up with. It takes passion, blood and guts.

I know it when I hear it.

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AmIKevill wrote:
I think some of the trends in extreme metal after the early 90s actually >reduced< heaviness as the quest for some extra BPM or a gurglier gurgle resulted in a certain "flatness of sound" that is counterproductive. Iommi said something about "the light and the shade," how you need something to contrast the heavy with so it you can fully appreciate how heavy it is (in Iommi's case, this would explain stuff like the hippie sunshine jammin' in the middle of "Supernaut")

Of course, heaviness is ultimately a subjective concept that can never truly be objectively defined.


That's been my opinion for the longest time and I was too embarrassed to ever bring it up because I thought it was a doofy viewpoint, but I'm glad Iommi said it first. Some of the best speedy tracks are only so good because of the build-up with slower songs— even if those songs are also fairly fast, the real kickers sound downright chaotic in comparison. Works the same within a song as well. It's like a spring or an explosion. An explosion that keeps on going is pretty much just a particularly eruptive fire. It's the tension that really "makes" the good part. Conversely, having loads of mid-tempo or thrashing tracks surrounding a doomy song makes it that much more interesting. Though I can understand the appeal of making nothing but slow or fast tempo songs. If you're listening to Sabbath for the thrashing outro to Iron Man or Children of the Grave, it's probably a bummer to skip through Planet Caravan or even the slower tracks like the rest of Iron Man.

What was that Holocaust lyric? "Rock and roll far too slow, so the adrenaline just doesn't flow."

This also reflects how I feel many subgenres formed. In the primordial goop of acid rock, proto-metal, and first-wave metal, you had a few particularly heavy and speedy tracks here and there. Doom fans today absolutely adore Black Sabbath, War Pigs, Into the Void, Under the Sun, Snowblind, and whatnot and the general trend over the past decade has been to double down on Sabbath's doomy origins. However, back in the day, every Sabbath fan's favorite song was almost certainly Symptom of the Universe. The metalheads of the 70s and 80s wanted more "Paranoid," "Highway Star," "Gates of Babylon," "Kick Out The Jams," and "Communication Breakdown." When the second generation of metal music makers really started getting going, they were accelerated by punk rock as well as their love for those faster songs and the vanguard of the heavy thought to make the entire album nothing but those faster songs. And then we started seeing bands who wanted to outdo those earlier bands. This is where we got our Diamond Heads and Cirith Ungols and Iron Maidens and Anvils and whatnot. Even if you weren't aiming for speed, one-upmanship was still the name of the game. Hell if I recall, Accept literally made their modus operandi to be heavier than the Scorpions and bands that followed wanted to be heavier than Accept. Brian Tattler said that Diamond Head was basically a big exercise to make a riff heavier than the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath's outro riff.

If you listened to Ramones, the Buzzcocks, and Discharge but also knew how to play your instruments, of course the first thing you'd want to do is take d-beat and hardcore punk and push it as far as it could go. Motörhead was the heaviest shit ever and Overkill was crazy insane? Then let's outdo them! Venom were pure metallic chaos, but Metallica completely crushed even them until Slayer and Kreator followed up until Possessed, Bolt Thrower, and Necrophagia went even further than that.

It went from "find the heaviest, fastest, and gnarliest parts of your favorite band and make that your whole sound" to "find the heaviest, fastest, gnarliest parts of this band and make it sound weak in comparison."

By chance, the slow-tempo half of metal didn't have the best time in the 80s. Doom was still very traditional. Heavy for what it was, and occasionally crushingly so, but outdone for the most part by the fast-tempo vanguard and I'd say not until death-doom and sludge metal would it start leading the crest of "heaviest music." And as for sludge and noise, the only way to get even more underground was to listen to outsider street corner music or forever-lost Soviet rock. Maybe industrial metal was also showing off a new side of heaviness by the late 80s, but for the most part, the "old school" metal era had to give way to the 90s before we saw even the extreme metal underground get pushed to the limit by one-upmanship.

This reached a natural asymptote as others mentioned sometime in the 90s.

At least for fast-tempo music. For anything above 80 bpm, I'd say the asymptote of heaviness came sometime before or around 1995 and everything since has been more qualitative improvements to the musicality. As it's an asymptote rather than a true peak or plateau, we still got heavier music, but at nowhere near the same level of one-upping another that we saw from 1970-1995. Only when we start getting, I dunno, cyborg implants that allows us to experience brand new senses and start hearing something freaky like infrablack metal or turbo-physical death metal will we ever see any further jumps in heaviness.


On the other hand, for slow-tempo metal, I don't think that happened until the 2000s but really only because "slow-tempo metal" in the 80s during the Golden Age meant "hair metal love ballad" or "Black Sabbath"— if you weren't Trouble, you probably weren't pushing too many boundaries of heaviness if you were playing metal tracks under 60 bpm. If Dopethrone and Dopesmoker were released in the mid-to-late 80s and kicked off a rush of youths desperate to out-crush the next in raw droney-sludge, the whole frame of discussion for this thread would undoubtedly be different.

TLDR: the defining factors of what made something heavy shifted from following in the footsteps of your favorite band's fastest and heaviest songs to one-upping everyone else, and that reached an asymptote.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:33 pm 
 

Up to 1990

1970 - Black Sabbath - s/t , Randy Holden - Population II in second place, Sir Lord Baltimore - Kingdom Come in third place

1971 - Black Sabbath - Master of Reality, Flower Travellin' Band - Satori in second place, Budgie - s/t in third place

1972 - Black Sabbath - Vol 4 (for Under the Sun alone), Night Sun - Mournin' in second place

1973 - Buffalo - Volcanic Rock, Budgie - Never Turn Your Back on a Friend in second place

1976 - Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny

1977 - Judas Priest - Sin After Sin

1978 - Judas Priest - Stained Class

1979 - Motorhead - Overkill, Riot - Narnia in second place

1980 - Angel Witch - s/t and Diamond Head - Lightning to the Nations tied, Iron Maiden - s/t in second place

1981 - Venom - Welcome to Hell, Legend (Jersey) - s/t in second place

1982 - Venom - Black Metal, Tank - Filth Hounds of Hades in second place

1983 - Hellhammer - Satanic Rites and GISM - Detestation tied, Metallica - Kill 'Em All in second place

1984 - Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales and Bathory - s/t tied, Voivod - War and Pain in second place, Trouble - Psalm 9, Saint Vitus - s/t, and Warfare - Pure Filth in third place

1985 - Possessed - Seven Churches, S.O.D. - Speak English or Die in second place, Slayer - Hell Awaits, Carnivore - s/t, and Onslaught - Power from Hell in third place

1986 - Slayer - Reign in Blood and Kreator - Pleasure to Kill tied, Saint Vitus - Born Too Late in second place, Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted and Dark Angel - Darkness Descends in third place

1987 - Melvins - Gluey Porch Treatments, SLAB! - Descension and Napalm Death - Scum in second place, Sepultura - Schizophrenia and Death - Scream Bloody Gore in third place, Carnivore - Retaliation and Poison - Into the Abyss... in fourth place

1988 - Bolt Thrower - In Battle There is no Law!, Napalm Death - From Enslavement to Obliteration in second place, Incubus - Serpent Temptation and Death - Leprosy in third place, Hellbastard - Heading for Internal Darkness in fourth place

1989 - Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos and Godflesh - Streetcleaner tied, Saw Throat - Indestroy in second place, Autopsy - Severed Survival, Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness, Obituary - Slowly We Rot in third place, Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness and Sepultura - Beneath the Remains, and Terrorizer - World Downfall in fourth place

1990 - Winter - Into Darkness and Blasphemy - Fallen Angel of Doom tied, Carnage - Dark Recollections and Helmet - Strap it On in second place, Napalm Death - Harmony Corruption in third place, Obituary - Cause of Death, Demolition Hammer - Tortured Existence, and Rorschach - Remain Sedate in fourth place

I'm not including things such as Anti Cimex, Discharge, Rattus etc. because this is just a metal list. There's also industrial and experimental albums that frankly make most metal sound like the Care Bears intro, but those aren't relevant here.

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I'll provide a streamlined version since my post above is a bit of a clusterfuck and not very helpful.

Once again, up to 1990:

October 1969 - High Tide - Sea Shanties
February 1970 - Black Sabbath - s/t
Later 1970 - Randy Holden - Population II
April 1971 - Flower Travellin' Band - Satori
June 1971 - Budgie - s/t
July 1971 - Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
September 1972 - Black Sabbath - Vol 4
August 1973 – Buffalo – Volcanic Rock
1975 - (If Bedemon ever released anything, it would probably be here)
March 1976 – Judas Priest – Sad Wings of Destiny
April 1977 – Judas Priest – Sin After Sin
February 1978 – Judas Priest- Stained Class
March 1979 – Motorhead – Overkill
April 14 1980 – Iron Maiden – s/t
April 25 1980 – Black Sabbath – Heaven and Hell
April 29 1980 – Venom – Demon
October 1980 – Diamond Head – Lightning to the Nations
November 1980 – Motorhead – Ace of Spades
December 1980 – Angel Witch – s/t
February 2 1981 – Iron Maiden – Killers
February 4 1981 – Blitzkrieg – Buried Alive/Blitzkrieg
March 1981 – Mercyful Fate – Demo 1
June 1981 – Legend (jersey) – s/t
December 1981 – Venom – Welcome to Hell
(Sometime in 1981 – Witchfinder General - Burning a Sinner / Satan's Children)
July 1982 – Metallica – No Life ‘Till Leather
November 1982 – Venom – Black Metal
(Sometime in 1982 – Warning (Germany) – s/t)
July 1983 – Metallica – Kill ‘Em All
July 1983 – Hellhammer – Triumph of Death
December 1983 – Hellhammer – Satanic Rites
March 1984 – Hellhammer – Apocalyptic Raids
July 12 1984 – GISM – Detestation
August 1984 – Slayer – Haunting the Chapel
October 1984 – Bathory – s/t
February 1985 – Sodom – In the Sign of Evil
March 13 1985 – Bulldozer – The Day of Wrath
March 22 1985 – Slayer – Hell Awaits
May 1985 – Bathory – The Return…
August 1985 – SOD – Speak English or Die
October 1985 – Possessed – Seven Churches
(Sometime in 1985 – Death Strike – Fuckin’ Death)
May 1986 – Sodom – Obsessed by Cruelty
July 1986 – Cryptic Slaughter – Convicted
October 7 1986 – Slayer – Reign in Blood
October 21 1986 – Possessed – Beyond the Gates
November 1 1986 – Kreator – Pleasure to Kill
December 1986 – Poison – Into the Abyss…
May 25 1987 – Death – Scream Bloody Gore
June 1987 – Melvins – Gluey Porch Treatments
July 1987 – Napalm Death – Scum
August 1987 – Amon – Feeding the Beast
October 1987 - Sepultura – Schizophrenia
Nobember 1987 – SLAB! – Descension
December 1987 – Autopsy demo
(Sometime in 1987 – Slaughter – Strappado)
(Sometime in 1987 – Parabellum – Sacrilego)
March 1988 – Nihilist – Premature Autopsy
June 1988 – Bolt Thrower – In Battle There Is No Law!
June 1988 – Carcass – Reek of Putrefaction
July 1988 – Autopsy – Critical Madness
September 1988 – Napalm Death – From Enslavement to Obliteration
(Sometime in 1988 – Godflesh – s/t)
February 1889 – Lard – The Power of Lard
16 April 1989 - Xysma – Evisceration
August 1989 – Nihilist – Drowned
August 1989 – Napalm Death – Mentally Murdered
October 28 1989 – Bolt Thrower – Realm of Chaos
November 13 1989 – Godflesh – Streetcleaner
(Sometime in 1989 – Saw Throat – Indestroy)
March 1990 – Carnage – Dark Recollections
March 1990 – Helmet – Strap it On
July 1990 – Suffocation – Reincremated
July 1990 – Napalm Death – Harmony Corruption
August 1990 – Blasphemy – Fallen Angel of Doom
December 1990 – Convulse – Resuscitation of Evilness
December 1990 – Agathocles - If This Is Cruel What's Vivisection Then ?
(Sometime in 1990 – Winter – Into Darkness)
(Sometime in 1990 – Nuclear Death – Bride of Insect)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:12 pm 
 

This is great, but please add Siege's "DropDead" (1984) and Terminal Death's "Faces of Death" (1985).

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GISM wins, as toughest, and biggest edgelords. There are no interviews, with any of them, ever. If you tried to interview them, saying you liked their music, and wanted to give them free publicity, they would fight you, on the streets of Tokyo. They shot flamethrowers at the audience! They were shooting guns, loaded with blanks, over the heads of the audience(look up their 80s videos), in Japan, where it isn’t legal to own guns. The guitarist had a Kiss/glam outfit, like he was daring punk elitists to fight him. They would’ve made more albums, if they hadn’t been in prison(like when the vocalist attacked a normie, with a flamethrower, on the Tokyo subway, for the crime of staring at him.). They were like thug “beat down” hardcore, except actually good music(and inspired Integrity, who inspired that genre, except the beat down bands don’t know what songwriting is).

Euronymous posed, by caring about publicity enough to do interviews. So much for “satanic elitism(to be fair, pretty much anyone is tougher than the second wave black circle, who didn’t even get locked up in real prisons, for a real amount of time.)” how can you be true cult, if you do interviews? If you do one, it’d better in something like Martin Ain’s black room.

But on a serious note. Some people’s lists seem to be conflating “most heavy,” with “most good.” When they’re at similar levels of heaviness, it’s not really a difference that can be measured.

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Hexenmacht46290 wrote:
GISM wins, as toughest, and biggest edgelords. There are no interviews, with any of them, ever. If you tried to interview them, saying you liked their music, and wanted to give them free publicity, they would fight you, on the streets of Tokyo. They shot flamethrowers at the audience! They were shooting guns, loaded with blanks, over the heads of the audience(look up their 80s videos), in Japan, where it isn’t legal to own guns. The guitarist had a Kiss/glam outfit, like he was daring punk elitists to fight him. They would’ve made more albums, if they hadn’t been in prison(like when the vocalist attacked a normie, with a flamethrower, on the Tokyo subway, for the crime of staring at him.). They were like thug “beat down” hardcore, except actually good music(and inspired Integrity, who inspired that genre, except the beat down bands don’t know what songwriting is).

Euronymous posed, by caring about publicity enough to do interviews. So much for “satanic elitism(to be fair, pretty much anyone is tougher than the second wave black circle, who didn’t even get locked up in real prisons, for a real amount of time.)” how can you be true cult, if you do interviews? If you do one, it’d better in something like Martin Ain’s black room.

But on a serious note. Some people’s lists seem to be conflating “most heavy,” with “most good.” When they’re at similar levels of heaviness, it’s not really a difference that can be measured.

I've always wondered how many of the rumours were true. According to some of them Sakevi is yakuza.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:54 pm 
 

Hexenmacht46290 wrote:
GISM wins, as toughest, and biggest edgelords. There are no interviews, with any of them, ever. If you tried to interview them, saying you liked their music, and wanted to give them free publicity, they would fight you, on the streets of Tokyo. They shot flamethrowers at the audience! They were shooting guns, loaded with blanks, over the heads of the audience(look up their 80s videos), in Japan, where it isn’t legal to own guns. The guitarist had a Kiss/glam outfit, like he was daring punk elitists to fight him. They would’ve made more albums, if they hadn’t been in prison(like when the vocalist attacked a normie, with a flamethrower, on the Tokyo subway, for the crime of staring at him.). They were like thug “beat down” hardcore, except actually good music(and inspired Integrity, who inspired that genre, except the beat down bands don’t know what songwriting is).

Euronymous posed, by caring about publicity enough to do interviews. So much for “satanic elitism(to be fair, pretty much anyone is tougher than the second wave black circle, who didn’t even get locked up in real prisons, for a real amount of time.)” how can you be true cult, if you do interviews? If you do one, it’d better in something like Martin Ain’s black room.

But on a serious note. Some people’s lists seem to be conflating “most heavy,” with “most good.” When they’re at similar levels of heaviness, it’s not really a difference that can be measured.


Whilst I definitely agree with the fact that heaviness is quite difficult to discern at similar levels, I hope you don't think my list is me picking out the "most good". Most of the definitive eighties and 1990 DM albums don't even appear in my list because there was consistently heavier stuff out there. I was trying to go for what was the heaviest at the moment. If it was me picking out my favourites or something, then Sepultura's Beneath the Remains and similar would be on there and the progression wouldn't make sense.

And yeah, GISM was insane, especially for the time, leagues more than anyone out there. Euronymous was just an annoying twat. If he was still alive now he'd be the sort of guy to feature in a YT video filmed at Mcdonald's trying to start a fight and then subsequently knocked out in about 6 seconds.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 pm 
 

Wasn’t trying to single anyone out. I guess I meant that, the idea of it being just one dimension, more heavy, or less heavy, doesn’t work. We can compare most things, as more, or less heavy. But I think that being the heaviest you can be, is something that can be achieved in many ways. There are many ways to do it, and I’m glad for the variety, it is the spice of life.

But to achieve it at all, and not be just some joke, hiding behind how extreme it is, and actually feel heavy, it takes passion. It takes authenticity. It’s no coincidence, that a lot of bands lose their heaviness, as they no longer have youthful energy, get more successful, and less filled with anguish, hatred, sadness, anger, and other strong emotions, or have lineup changes, and no longer have good chemistry.

If someone tried to make “the heaviest album ever” by numbers, it wouldn’t work, it would never have convincing aggression.

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It's hard to say how this will work exactly. The 70s and 80s are easy because of the lack of variety in heavy metal (in fact, I'd even argue that punk rock/hardcore punk was heavier than most mainstream metal bands at the time, aside from the thrash bands). By the 90s however, we have all these extreme metal varieties that it's hard to deicide (pun intended) which one is the sole heaviest, because some of them go unrealistically out of bounds.

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chuggingpus wrote:
1956 - Lightnin Hopkins - Sky Hop
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CCI4dFciWiE

1966 - Music Machine - Turn On The Music Machine

Take the guitar distortion of the Kinks, add the creepy organ of Question Mark and the Mysterians and the punk attack of the Seeds. Negative lyrics, caveman guitar, and hard hitting drumming. To me this is heavy.

1967 - Art - Supernatural Fairy Tales

Pre- Spooky Tooth Band. This album was an influence on Black Sabbath and hits some real heavy points.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e_2hdtSNEpE Not an album, but heaviest song of 1967 right here

1968 - 1968 - Iron Butterfly - In A Gadda Da Vida

Nuff said

1969 - Andromeda - s/t

Pre Atomic Rooster. There’s a lot of candidates for this year but this is where I’ve settled

1970 - to me it’s a tie between Black Sabbath and In Rock

1971 - Master Of Reality

1972 - Night Sun - Mournin’

German Deep Purple on overdrive


Hey man, I'm confused, are Art and the "The Riders of the Mark" different bands?

I'd never heard of either, but it seems like they both released albums in 1967, and I guess Art was the pre-Spooky Tooth band and not the link you pasted?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:09 pm 
 

It should also be stressed that if we're just talking about "heaviest music ever," it's not like metal alone fills that role. Considering metal itself came out of blues and acid rock and coexisted with punk and noise rock, those kinds of albums are going to be heavy for their time as well.

Like, this came out in 1958. Imagine how crushing this was compared to everything else, when many rock and rollers were starting to go the crooner route.


And this was from 1976.

Sad Wings of Destiny sounds lightweight in comparison but Sin After Sin's "Dissident Aggressor" is an atomic bomb in comparison, exemplifying early on of the coming divide between heaviness as aggression vs. heaviness as distortion.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:12 pm 
 

^^^^^^

On that note, I'd honestly say that Screamin' Jay Hawkins "I Put a Spell on You" was VERY heavy for 1956, and is at least as far as what i know of, the heaviest song that was around at that particular point in time, though that Link Wray song rivaled it and came 2 years later.

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Ill-Starred Son wrote:
chuggingpus wrote:
1956 - Lightnin Hopkins - Sky Hop
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CCI4dFciWiE

1966 - Music Machine - Turn On The Music Machine

Take the guitar distortion of the Kinks, add the creepy organ of Question Mark and the Mysterians and the punk attack of the Seeds. Negative lyrics, caveman guitar, and hard hitting drumming. To me this is heavy.

1967 - Art - Supernatural Fairy Tales

Pre- Spooky Tooth Band. This album was an influence on Black Sabbath and hits some real heavy points.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e_2hdtSNEpE Not an album, but heaviest song of 1967 right here

1968 - 1968 - Iron Butterfly - In A Gadda Da Vida

Nuff said

1969 - Andromeda - s/t

Pre Atomic Rooster. There’s a lot of candidates for this year but this is where I’ve settled

1970 - to me it’s a tie between Black Sabbath and In Rock

1971 - Master Of Reality

1972 - Night Sun - Mournin’

German Deep Purple on overdrive


Hey man, I'm confused, are Art and the "The Riders of the Mark" different bands?

I'd never heard of either, but it seems like they both released albums in 1967, and I guess Art was the pre-Spooky Tooth band and not the link you pasted?


Riders Of The Mark and Spooky Tooth were two different bands.

Riders Of The Mark was a studio/recording project by two song writers who were from Pennsylvania. They made a few different records together under different names. This project was of a heavier nature trying to outdo the Beatles and the Who for heaviness. One of the members was a full time teacher in Lancaster, PA so he made records and didn’t tour. I believe he lived in New Jersey just outside Philly.

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Defecation's debut was one of the heaviest, dirtiest, insane, almost alien in nature recording I have listened to back in the day; it felt like a ton of bricks falling on my head...

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Floodland wrote:
Defecation's debut was one of the heaviest, dirtiest, insane, almost alien in nature recording I have listened to back in the day; it felt like a ton of bricks falling on my head...


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