I know what you are talking about and I've seen it and experienced it myself. However, this is not a generalized thing, and it's also not specific to metal.

And of course, bands who changed their sound significatively might have pulled off one genre better then the other, and it's totally legitimate to talk about this... since the change was so drastic, you are bound to have people debatting which was better. And I personnally see no harm in that, nor do I perceive this as deeply divise.

The way traditionnal media works, and even a lot of social media works, gives a lot of visibility to people with radical or extreme views, because they benefit from conflict, as people sadly tend to engage more when they are angry about something

I now declare that all harsh singers are limited because they can't do shrieking belting like 1970s Halford. Why are they deliberately limiting themselves? "eyeroll"

This really highlights how completely fucking stupid that whole conversation has been, huh?

Don't know why anyone bothered debating this for ten pages, honestly...

believe it or not, there is as much range in harsh vocals as there is in clean vocals

Indeed.
Some diligent people have mapped Dani Filth's range... I'm not a fan of CoF, but he's really impressive.
https://therangeplanet.proboards.com/th ... dani-filth

I can understand not enjoying harsh vocals, but saying they are easy to do is just plain wrong.

The ones that I have found easy to achieve are the ones I hear from people like Chris Barnes or George "Corpsegrinder" Fischer. Those are the typical death vocals I think of. I admittedly do not listen to deathcore or grindcore and have very little interest in what they do. But the typical death metal vocals I've heard are pretty easy for me.

For the vast, VAST majority of my extreme metal listening, I've never really "liked" or hated harsh vocals.

So what are the cliff notes to the conclusion of the debate?

I don't want to read the whole thing lol.

Clean vocals = good
Harsh vocals = good

Clean vocals = good
Harsh vocals = good

Wow, pages worth of debate narrowed down to such a simple conclusion

Have you at least given the bands I listened a listen or sm I just talking to a brick wall?

Incantation did a country western album.

Did I start this fire with my clean > harsh vocals comment? It was an opinion and apparently a very unpopular and dividing one. Therefore, I win this thread, lol

His voice is precisely why I cant get into COF. It grates on me in the same painful manner as does Tim Ripper Owens' voice.

the Heaven-Interstellar discussion

I'm gonna come back with another quasi-unpopular opinion of mine: I kind of prefer flower power metal over the "serious" stuff by a small margin. I still enjoy bands such as Blind Guardian, and I stray away from the overly cheesy bands such as Gloryhammer, but I'm overall mesmerized by the beauty of bands like Avantasia, especially songs such as Ghost in the Moon.

Did I start this fire with my clean > harsh vocals comment? It was an opinion and apparently a very unpopular and dividing one. Therefore, I win this thread, lol

My take regarding the harsh/clean vocals discussion is that it's incredibly difficult to mix both of them into the same album and not suck. Even more if the clean vocals are mostly used for the choruses. Bands that do either clean or harsh vocals without mixing them are much better than bands that try to combine them. The whole Beauty and the Beast gimmick of mixing harsh and clean parts is incredibly cheesy.

Thrash metal (excluding some legendary albums) mostly sucks.

I never liked thrash that much either.

"Trve Kvlt Black Metal" is the most overrated type of black metal.

Atmo black is where it's at

"Trve Kvlt Black Metal" is the most overrated type of black metal.

I got a hot and spicy one: Overkill's post-2010 output is their best output.

We can get even spicier: Not only is it the best of Overkill's output, it's also among the best in all of thrash metal, period.

Now we're getting thermonuclear: White Devil Armory is better than Master of Puppets.

Bands that take most (or a sizeable chunk) of their influence from Manowar, are almost always better than Manowar.

Bands that take most (or a sizeable chunk) of their influence from Manowar, are almost always better than Manowar.

Here’s one!:

This is by far my favorite Metal related site that I’ve found in my 30 years of existence. I love everything about this creation except one thing. And I’ve said it before in other threads, but every-time it is said here it hurts my soul. Just the fact that more people on this forum don’t like Thrash as much as myself or the people on other sites.

Although maybe more people like it here than I’m noticing. It could be that I’m just finding the negative comments on it, like said above lol.

Curious to you non-Thrashers, what don’t you like about it? Do you like some of the styles of Thrash but not others? It seems like a lot of people here don’t care for just “pure Thrash”, like Exodus, Testament, Death Angel land such. Actually, Bay Area Thrash in general seems really unpopular here.