'Louder than Hell' was so completely terrible that I honestly just never cared to try anything they did after it.

Unpopular opinion threads are just bored shit-stirrers trying to stir the shit. Everyone has at least one notion or idea that goes against pedagogy.

It's not for wimps like you. Get fucked.

It's not for wimps like you. Get fucked.

It's not for wimps like you. Get fucked.

Oh c'mon Morrigan don't fuckin skip it!

Scream for me Metal Archives!

"Sunlight, falling on your steel
Death in life is your ideal
Life is like a wheel"

It's not for wimps like you. Get fucked.

There is actually a lot of really decent gothic metal, especially from the 90's and early-2000's.

'Louder than Hell' was so completely terrible that I honestly just never cared to try anything they did after it. I also thought 'Kings of Metal' wasn't even very good. But I liked their old stuff.

I find the Big 3 NYDM bands, the -ation bands, to be really hard to get into. I like Death Metal, it’s my third favorite genre after Death/Thrash and normal Thrash but outside of Breeding the Spawn, of all albums I just can’t get them to click. I do like my DM more Thrashy so maybe that’s why, as none of the 3 bands are particularly Thrashy at all. Sucks because I know they are extremely beloved and have many many albums that are seen as great.

There is actually a lot of really decent gothic metal, especially from the 90's and early-2000's.

Is that an unpopular opinion? Bands like Katatonia, Paradise Lost, Tiamat, Moonspell, My Dying Bride, Anathema, Type O Negative, November, just to name a few, all seem to be pretty well received around here. They also have dedicated fanbases.

I've also seen Tribulation's newest album on quite a few top albums of 2021 lists so far.

Absolutely agree with you, but it's almost as if you have to seek them out. To my knowledge, there was no gothic metal scene (unlike Florida Death Metal, Bay Area Thrash, Norwegian Black Metal, etc.) to "unify" the bands. We all know Paradise Lost, Tiamat, and Moonspell, but there is so much more. Bands I'd highlight would be Darkseed, Lacrimas Profundere, Heavenwood, EverEve, To/Die/For.

Funny, 'Louder than hell' was one of the first records I bought when I was just getting into metal, and I loved it to bits. Listened to it a while ago and I still dig it a lot, whereas I never got into the older stuff like 'Battle hyms'. My favourite Manowar record is 'The triumph of steel' EXCEPT that fucking half-hour thing at the beginning. The other seven tracks are killer and probably their heaviest ever, the guitar and bass sound monstrous.

I find the Big 3 NYDM bands, the -ation bands, to be really hard to get into. I like Death Metal, it’s my third favorite genre after Death/Thrash and normal Thrash but outside of Breeding the Spawn, of all albums I just can’t get them to click. I do like my DM more Thrashy so maybe that’s why, as none of the 3 bands are particularly Thrashy at all. Sucks because I know they are extremely beloved and have many many albums that are seen as great.

I've been into metal for quite a while but these posts have me feeling like a noob. Who are the NYDM big 3? Incantation, Immolation and Suffocation?

I personally include Cannibal Corpsetion /jk

Power Metal, Symphonic Metal, and Gothic Metal are the weakest metal genres.

heavier than a death in your family

I find the Big 3 NYDM bands, the -ation bands, to be really hard to get into. I like Death Metal, it’s my third favorite genre after Death/Thrash and normal Thrash but outside of Breeding the Spawn, of all albums I just can’t get them to click. I do like my DM more Thrashy so maybe that’s why, as none of the 3 bands are particularly Thrashy at all. Sucks because I know they are extremely beloved and have many many albums that are seen as great.

Hmmm...you spelled "groove," "stoner," and "industrial" wrong...

well, they're often referred to as the three -ation bands, 'cause of the names, origin, style, and being hugely influential. malevolent creation sometimes gets lumped in as another -ation band, but they're hardly in the same league as the other three

Iron Maiden and Manowar are insanely overrated. All skills aside the efforts fall flat inside a cohesive package for both bands. While not at all forgettable it's just not interesting songwriting and fairly by the book. If you want to argue they each "wrote those books" that's totally understandable, but they don't hold up for me.

Tony Martin is the best Sabbath vocalist (perhaps not as unpopular an opinion as in the past but still, yea, Ozzy is just grating and annoying to me but still insane appreciation for him obviously)

Someone already said it but "Where the Runes Still Speak" is the best Candlemass song of all time.

Death and black metal, in the majority of instances/examples, is entirely interchangable and forgettable outside of the forebearers of each genre and a few outliers over the past few decades. The best new black/death albums I hear I listen to once and never return to at all. Albums with huge staying power are rare for black/death for me especially more recently. Any bands with clean vocals and decent song writing almost always create more memorable albums.

Blood Incantation/MGLA deserve all the hype they get. (See above, then reread )

First four Metallica albums do not hold up as well as I think most would say they do. Mostly notalgia, legend worhsip. While clearly outstanding albums, more indiciative of the creation of wide acceptance and exposure to heavy metalgenre throughout the world to mainstream.

The hate for Dave Mustaine is largely undeserved, and most appears to be misattributing political opinions to what I think should be ascribed to mental illness and a tendency to gravtitate toward conservative ideas to personally combat his own drug addiction. (find jesus, stay clean, or at least for longer etc etc.)

USBM, and stoner metal are mostly worthless outside of the names we all know here. (I still think the one man BM bands and interchangable stoner metal bands are genuinely not a bad thing and promote a good scene/metal community etc.)

Most die hard BM philosophies are totally irrational and rooted in a past of legend worship with weirdly iconic and borderline messianic thoughts about the first wave of basically bored teenages who happened to create something cool and new. First wave deserves credit for absolutely everything, but not worship. The use of that word in metal in general feels out of place to me, although that is the best name for it.

Varg is not dumb, and probably one of the smartest dudes I've heard talk inside metal.

+1 for Zelkiiro's opinion here.

Who the hell writes off entire genres like that anyway.

Re the former comment about walls of death, my unpopular opinion for today: I hate bands that tell me what to do at gigs. "Sing with me! Circle pit! Wall of death!"
Fuck off, you just play and I'll do whatever I want.

I should've specified, I'm including the "beauty and the beast" form of gothic metal with pretty female vocals and keyboards as well under this umbrella.

Bands like Tristania, Trail of Tears, The Sins of Thy Beloved, Theatre of Tragedy, Dismal Euphony, Via Mistica all had some pretty dang good riffs and songwriting back in their heyday. Draconian are probably one of the only bands who are still pulling this particular niche off and keeping it sounding fresh.

I think what happened is when more symphonic and upbeat sounding bands like Nightwish, Within Temptation, and Delain started garnering more commercial success, they were being marketed as gothic metal solely for having frontwomen dressed in black and keyboard players. So it gained sort of a stigma of being this soft poppy keyboard metal, rather than the gloomy, doomy, haunting sounding stuff that the genre was built off of.

Who the hell writes off entire genres like that anyway.

Who the hell writes off entire genres like that anyway.