Jazz puts me to sleep…

Never liked,only sometimes live is listenable for me….

KK's Priest and the last couple Judas Priest albums are largely interchangable.

As in, it's all subpar material that nobody would be listening to if it didn't have the "Priest" name attached to it? If so, then yes, I agree.

Priest's new stuff is down-the-middle acceptable old metal, but for some reason KK's Priest is just substantially worse, there's something completely vacuous and empty about that. Plus Owens is so awful.

But like... why would I listen to this if I could be listening to good metal instead?

Its acceptable by the numbers metal that is not a bad listen but itsn't doing anything that is all that exciting. I can listen to Firepower or Sermons of the Sinner with a beer or while driving, but its not something that will be a regular listen. I'd rather listen to one of the later Accept albums if I want that kind of metal. Or more likely just put on some thing that moves me more like Visigoth or Eternal Champion, though those aren't Priest worship.

Yeah, I get what you mean. I don't often crave that specific kind of heavy metal, so I guess I'm not really attracted by anything that isn't very outstanding in the genre, but can totally understand why someone who listens to a lot of heavy metal would want to listen Judas Priest later material. Kind of like how I can listen to some more ordinary/by-the-numbers death or black metal because they are among my favorite subgenres of metal. Fair enough!

I feel that way about a lot of things, especially with bands releasing mid-tier albums later in their career. I think the new Cryptopsy is passable, for example, but why am I listening to that when old Cryptopsy exists?

Brought them up before, but that's why I appreciate bands like Napalm Death who started doing things a little differently while still being good. I like having reasons to keep listening to new material alongside their more classic stuff.

I was just saying how much worse the other band was

Total agree with Empyreal.
Firepower is decent but K.K. Priest is dreadful, even the name is terrible. Kaka Priest? Please.

There's just something weirdly repulsive about that project and it feels like something made for a superficial, spiteful reason... sort of like that dumb Geoff Tate other Queensryche band he had for a while, with the "FU" right on the cover. Just so stupid.

I ignore all the drama. At least the KK band has half the reason I listen to Priest. Lyrically like most later Priest its fairly vapid, but Ripper still has good pipes and I think the guitarwork is good enough. But I think the last Priest related album I give any time on a somewhat regular basis is Angel of Retribution.

I think Ripper sounds like shit and none of the songs are even a little memorable (only heard the first album though) - so for me it's just all fronts really.

Jazz music makes me angry, it all sounds like no one else in the group are playing the same song.

I don’t know if it’s KK or Ripper coming with their vocal lines, but Halford’s are a world above them, way more personality and care in the melodies.

So what? Why does everything have to follow one set of rules?

I listen to some really dumb-ass goregrind and grindcore so I can't accuse anyone of listening to bad music. It's all good with jazz and most musical genres.

Amon Amarth plays Power Metal.

I agree, they are like Manowar but with growl vocals. They are both really cheesy too.

Extension: Amon Amarth and Tyr have spent the last fifteen years slowly morphing into the same band and I'm apparently the only person on earth who noticed.

Just goes to show that Johan Hegg's still got it!

I never say that…

I respect all form of music…..

I’m not a teen but I dislike jazz because a form of emancipation and rebellion it was taken over by stupid left-wing intellectuals who knows who they think they are(in my country at least) looking at everyone from top to bottom …

Both some of the most boring music, too. I guess that counts for this thread. Just vapid plastic sword stuff.

Depends on the jazz. Jazz like metal has so many variants. I'm not a fan of the more avant guard stuff that is very disjointed sounding.

But stuff like Pat Metheny or swinging big band like Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa is nice.

If you can fall asleep during the Olatunji concert, you're a fucking psychopath.

The Serpent & the Sphere is a very good album. I gave it a spin yesterday. I had not listened to it in a while, and it has amazing tracks, plus some of the most gorgeous work of Nathanael Larochette for the guitar interludes. I love that they gave a more astral, spiritual vibe to that last album of theirs, and the song-writing is still very much there. No dud on that album. I wouldn't necessarly rank it as high as Agalloch's first three LP's and The White EP, but these records are stellar, so that's not necessarly a fair comparison.

KK's new band just kinda radiates the fact he has a chip on his shoulder, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It worked for Megadeth in the 80s but KK is not in his early 20s like Mustaine was in the 80s, and it's less endearing from an older gentleman. "One More Shot at Glory?" I mean really? Really?

I mean, he still constantly whines in the tabloids (or whatever you wanna call it) about how he wasn't invited back, but Rob was... how he welcomed Rob back with open arms, yet Rob doesnt do the same back..

Like, dude, you left band! And been throwing shit at 'em for years, and then get surprised they don't invite you back (not even when Tipton ''retired''). Then continue to spew more shit, then makes his own ''I'm a whiny old man'' band named ''K.K's Priest'' (which is pathetic), and still continue to talk smack about Judas Priest..

Get a grip Downing.

He's also a very disrepectful old man.
Not a word about Tipton's disease. Not a single word.
He just keeps insulting him, his wife, and the rest of the band except Richie.
Such a toxic person.

Not to mention Dave Mustaine also backed up his reactionary attitude by offering a combination of a nastier personality and technical angle that Metallica just didn’t have after he left the band. There was a reason for Megadeth to exist because it came with underdog appeal and scratched an itch that Metallica didn’t.

The only innovation that KK’s Priest has to offer is brand recognition for old metal dudes who are allergic to anything that released after 1991. They aren’t doing anything that the real Priest isn’t already doing better and there are a multitude of newer trad/power metal bands who are more deserving of underdog status. Maybe it’d be a more substantial case if he was dabbling in the sorts of sounds that Halford and co didn’t touch anymore, but it’s pretty clear he’s done exploring as an artist. KK retired and doesn’t have anything left to prove after an enriching career, him trying to stretch it out by desperately clinging to every association possible is just redundant.

This about sums up the situation, really.

Dude's making unimaginative heavy metal, out of spite for his old bandmates of Judas Priest, contributing basically nothing new or interesting to heavy metal. But do you need to be innovative all the time or can you just write quality heavy metal that doesn't break new grounds? Well, yes you can, but that's not what he's doing.

I really can't think of any young metalhead getting into KK's Priest in 2023 and thinking it's crazy good stuff!

the funny thing is that Priest themselves are doing exactly that. Firepower and that new song are not innovative in any way but are solid and fun heavy metal. real attempts at good riffs and interesting melodies. KK's Priest is just wallowing in speed/power metal tropes that have been worn down into the ground long before them. i was bored to tears listening to that record.

I'd be a lot happier if they would just act as a live-only band, performing JP songs from all eras and that's it, without recording any new music.

Well that sure as hell is one of the dumbest things I've heard about jazz.

To me they are doing about the same thing. Both are stock Priest worship, which is funny to say about the actual band Judas Priest but neither of the songwriters that drove that band are there anymore, and one is in the clone outfit.

And I think KK has little choice as I'm pretty sure he made some bad investments and was basically bankrupt. And he knows he will make more money on his legacy as 1/2 of the premier guitar duo in metal history than trying to do something innovative.

If Priest put out the same music with Halford singing over it I think it would be much better received just for that.

iron maiden sucks

What don't you like about them? Style in general, songs, singing, etc?

...And Justice For All is fine as it is. No need for any bass.

Yes. I'm so used to its dry sound, that the "Jason for All" fan version sounds weird to me.

If anything, that's my only complain to the album.

Now, for my unpopular opinion... I really like "Mary On A Cross" after what it seems to be an intense campaign from Youtube to make me like the song because I heard it in almost every "short" video, including topics not Metal or Rock. Yes, is almost a Pop song with Rock influences, but I like it very much anyway.