Keep of Kalessin's debut was the last true Norwegian black metal album.

Suicidal black metal is a silly genre. I just don't think those of us who are really suicidal are motivated enough to write, record, release and market an hour's worth of music for the world to enjoy (or not).

I'd say the Cannibal Corpse members could well have been in a homicidal emotional state when they wrote that song. Emotions pass and you don't have to act on them. Being suicidal though? Is your first priority to go write and record an album?

Though your point could still stand and suicidal black metal still be stupid for being fraudulent, along with all other art forms. Anyone who buys a romance novel written by someone with no inkling about love or sex can't be very clever?

Suicidal black metal is a silly genre. I just don't think those of us who are really suicidal are motivated enough to write, record, release and market an hour's worth of music for the world to enjoy (or not).

there are enough great black metal albums from Norway after 1997, including the next two by Keep of Kalessin themselves.

I just don't think those of us who are really suicidal are motivated enough to write, record, release and market an hour's worth of music for the world to enjoy (or not).

Suicidal black metal is a silly genre. I just don't think those of us who are really suicidal are motivated enough to write, record, release and market an hour's worth of music for the world to enjoy (or not).

Suicidal black metal is a silly genre. I just don't think those of us who are really suicidal are motivated enough to write, record, release and market an hour's worth of music for the world to enjoy (or not).

I will never understand how people as talented, famous, rich, and respected as Chris Cornell, Layne Staley, or Chester Bennington could kill themselves. I understand the people who struggle with depression and failure in life, work, and relationships, but it is really disheartening when people that you think to have it all in life commit suicide, what's left for the regular people, if some of the most talented people in the earth thought they weren't happy enough to keep living.

I will never understand how people as talented, famous, rich, and respected as Chris Cornell, Layne Staley, or Chester Bennington could kill themselves.

people that you think to have it all in life

Highlighting this part, because thinking the people you listed "have it all in life" suggests you haven't really figured out life and/or depression.

It's almost as if suicidal depression doesn't give a fuck about talent, fame, riches, or respect.

How inconsiderate. That depression thing should stop being such a dick.

Chris Cornell is probably the best rock/metal singer of all time, his suicide was one of the saddest things that I have experienced in my life as a music fan, Soundgarden is one of my favorite bands. I can't understand why he do it, and probably will never do. He was one in a million, there will be not a musician like him, same as Layne.



Iam not being a dick, it amazes me how such amazing people could think that life isn't worth it. Most people search for talent, fame, riches and respect, very few in the world can obtain it all. Depression is a disease, but most of the times hardships in life triggers it, the musicians we are talking about had it all in life, that's the saddest thing.

It's almost as if suicidal depression doesn't give a fuck about talent, fame, riches, or respect.

How inconsiderate. That depression thing should stop being such a dick.

Iam not being a dick

Iam not being a dick, it amazes me how such amazing people could think that life isn't worth it. Most people search for talent, fame, riches and respect, very few in the world can obtain it all. Depression is a disease, but most of the times hardships in life triggers it, the musicians we are talking about had it all in life, that's the saddest thing.

a friend of mine has always suffered from depression since we were teenagers, he had a wonderful family and two daughters but despite this he attempted suicide three times and succeeded on the fourth. Unfortunately, speaking to us he kept telling us that there was something wrong with him ( despite drugs and psychologists) and telling us that often the light and the will to live were completely extinguished.

My condolences. I've lost someone to suicide as well. Untimely deaths are always painful. When it's suicide, it's somehow worse...

What you described here is a good example of how depression affects people. It doesn't matter if you're succesful, if you lead a busy life or not. If you have family or not. The man I knew who committed suicide was a lawyer, smart guy, nice house, great girlfriend and two kids. He played hockey with friends in a local league. He still decided to hang himself, a year ago.

When I feel like listening to Stratovarius, most of the time it's to listen to one of their last 5 albums, I seem to find them a more interesting band since Timo Tolkki's departure.

Cliff Burton is kinda overrated because an average metal fan doesn't know more than 5 bass players

I know a lot of metal bassists, and I still think he was amazing. The guy contributed a lot to the song-writing in Metallica, and that's something the other guys in the band corroborated quite a few times before. There were not many musicians, let alone bassists, in metal at the time who could so seemlessly incorporate jazz and classical music composition in their music.

Same here. I have some attachment to Fourth Dimension and Episode (and Visions to a lesser extent) because they were among the first metal albums I listened to, and I still like the songs a great deal, but nowadays it's mostly post-Tolkki albums for me. There's something very endearing about their insistence to depart from the earlier Tolkki sound and the willingness to switch things up and experiment, in ways that are not obvious, in this style that's not taken seriously by most.

Also, Eternal is very close to dethroning Nemesis as my favorite album of the post-Tolkki era. Can't stop listening to it.

I don't know if I would put him in my top 15 as well, but he was definitely very good. The fact that he was in Metallica and met an untimely death sure played a role in elevating him to some kind of legendary status. But all his fame and status aside, I still think he was a great bassist, but you are right that we didn't see him shine enough, probably because of how Metallica wrote their music as well. Like Twisted_Psychology said, his influence is also more abstract than his actual playing. We got to hear but a glimpse of what he could do, but he helped to break new grounds for bass in metal still.

Same here. I have some attachment to Fourth Dimension and Episode (and Visions to a lesser extent) because they were among the first metal albums I listened to, and I still like the songs a great deal, but nowadays it's mostly post-Tolkki albums for me. There's something very endearing about their insistence to depart from the earlier Tolkki sound and the willingness to switch things up and experiment, in ways that are not obvious, in this style that's not taken seriously by most.

Also, Eternal is very close to dethroning Nemesis as my favorite album of the post-Tolkki era. Can't stop listening to it.

I don't know if I would put him in my top 15 as well, but he was definitely very good. The fact that he was in Metallica and met an untimely death sure played a role in elevating him to some kind of legendary status. But all his fame and status aside, I still think he was a great bassist, but you are right that we didn't see him shine enough, probably because of how Metallica wrote their music as well. Like Twisted_Psychology said, his influence is also more abstract than his actual playing. We got to hear but a glimpse of what he could do, but he helped to break new grounds for bass in metal still.

Geezer Butler's bass playing style is (nearly) as important to the Sabbs' sound as Iommi's riffs. On the other hand, Bill Ward, as distinctive as his drumming was, was much easier to replace.

Geezer Butler's bass playing style is (nearly) as important to the Sabbs' sound as Iommi's riffs. On the other hand, Bill Ward, as distinctive as his drumming was, was much easier to replace.