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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:34 am 
 

Morn Of Solace wrote:
Speaking of really consistent bands: I've revisited the Immortal discography and i really didn't expect them to be so much consistently good, i had a lot of fun with each album!

...And here comes the unpopular opinion: All Shall Fall is a really great album and one of the best of their discography, Abbath's riffing is way more creative than he's given credit for and the fact that they can both make a fun Bathory-like thrasher like Hordes to War, a melodic charger like the title track and a brooding epic like Unearthly Kingdom on the same album shows their versatility. Damned in Black too is often maligned, but i really liked it.

The least fun ones were probably the first, the latest and Blizzard Beasts (even if the strong songs here are really strong) and the best kept secret is the amazingly fun I Between Two Worlds album, Ice Dale is one of the best lead guitar players you don't know!

I agree with All Shall Fall

Ice Dale if I remember correctly made something with Enslaved too but I’m not sure

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:40 am 
 

Yeah, he has been their lead guitar player in the last 19 years! :) i really like his work on songs like Neogenesis, Alu Misyrki, The Dead Stare, Ground, Queen of Night...

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MetalVermont
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:45 am 
 

InnesI wrote:
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Though I could really care less about most anything after that I've never listened to risk but I'd honestly rather check that out than anything past which I also haven't heard God damn I've never heard anything after cryptic writings I should probably check it out at some point


I'd say you should give Risk a chance. Keep an open mind, it's not heavy metal but it is pretty darn good. I love the Time songs for example. Those are some of the best stuff Mustaine has written.


Why though, when that time could be spent on MUCH better albums?

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Ball Cupper
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 11:02 am 
 

MetalVermont wrote:
Why though, when that time could be spent on MUCH better albums?


This kinda links in to one of my own "unpopular" opinions. (not actually unpopular, I just want to ramble about some shit)

I think unpopular albums are inherently worth listening to. Even if ya don't like them, it's a different experience that gives you something different from just listening to the "good" albums. Risk is a good example - I don't like it much, but I can't get the same vibes from Peace Sells or whatever. I highly recommend listening to unpopular albums, it can really round-out your musical experiences.

Plus, I listened to Cold Lake and I actually liked it, so another reason to listen to these albums is that maybe you'll find stuff you enjoy.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:02 pm 
 

Hecatomb867 wrote:
Twisted_Psychology wrote:
Most hardcore-derived metal genres leave me cold, including sludge.


Yet another metal guy who doesn't like hardcore-adjacent genres. Yeah..... SUPER unpopular opinion there bud haha.


Seriously this thread lost the plot over 10 pages ago.


You’ll have to bear with me, I spend a lot of music discourse time with the “good taste” circlejerk crowds where any non-ironic metal with clean singing is cheesy but any yelly boi sludgecore that Roadburn tells me to like is high art.

Also Immortal is at their best with more heavy metal and thrash influence. At The Heart of Winter and Sons of Northern Darkness are masterpieces and All Shall Fall is good fun.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:17 pm 
 

Guess I'm a golden mean kind of Immortal listener, since my top three favourites by them are Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism, Damned in Black and Northern Chaos Gods.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 1:32 pm 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
Creatures of the Night is a Saxon record with Paul and Gene singing.


No wonder I like it so much then.

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Benedict Donald
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:16 pm 
 

CreepingDeath16 wrote:
Guess I'm a golden mean kind of Immortal listener, since my top three favourites by them are Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism, Damned in Black and Northern Chaos Gods.


Northern Chaos Gods rages!! Fantastic record which proved the Abbath is seemingly unnecessary for Immortal.

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In_Zane
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 2:19 pm 
 

CreepingDeath16 wrote:
Guess I'm a golden mean kind of Immortal listener, since my top three favourites by them are Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism, Damned in Black and Northern Chaos Gods.

Same, except swap out ''Damned in Black'' for ''Sons of Northern Darkness''!
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 6:04 pm 
 

Hecatomb867 wrote:
Yet another metal guy who doesn't like hardcore-adjacent genres. Yeah..... SUPER unpopular opinion there bud haha.

Ehh honestly it's starting to be. I'm in a metal Discord (not this site's, another one) where being a hater of sludge/hardcore/post-whatever is definitely in the minority, meanwhile classic 80's metal gets sneered at and you get called a "boomer" etc.

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Seriously this thread lost the plot over 10 pages ago.

Well yeah. I mean, that was the case when some assclown claimed black metal was the least racist subgenre (and, naturally, ran away and never came back to elaborate).
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Smalley
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:15 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
Hecatomb867 wrote:
Yet another metal guy who doesn't like hardcore-adjacent genres. Yeah..... SUPER unpopular opinion there bud haha.

Ehh honestly it's starting to be. I'm in a metal Discord (not this site's, another one) where being a hater of sludge/hardcore/post-whatever is definitely in the minority, meanwhile classic 80's metal gets sneered at and you get called a "boomer" etc.

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Seriously this thread lost the plot over 10 pages ago.

Well yeah. I mean, that was the case when some assclown claimed black metal was the least racist subgenre (and, naturally, ran away and never came back to elaborate).
Wait, Metallum has a Discord? EDIT: Nevermind, I found it.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:26 pm 
 

Sepultura Chaos A.D. is a great album

You need only contestualize

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Smalley
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 24, 2021 7:28 pm 
 

Fingolfin76 wrote:
Sepultura Chaos A.D. is a great album

You need only contestualize
That's not really an unpopular opinion, though.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 4:22 pm 
 

Fingolfin76 wrote:
Sepultura Chaos A.D. is a great album

You need only contestualize


At least is better than the last of Gojira. Context.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 6:37 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
Well yeah. I mean, that was the case when some assclown claimed black metal was the least racist subgenre (and, naturally, ran away and never came back to elaborate).

That was obviously a joke. And I didn't run away, I wrote several paragraphs of response to HeavenDuff. You are just wrong, and very rude.

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Demon Fang
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2021 8:38 pm 
 

Smalley wrote:
Fingolfin76 wrote:
Sepultura Chaos A.D. is a great album

You need only contestualize
That's not really an unpopular opinion, though.

Or at least it shouldn't be. Sepultura's last good album tbh.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:39 am 
 

Twisted_Psychology wrote:
Also Immortal is at their best with more heavy metal and thrash influence. At The Heart of Winter and Sons of Northern Darkness are masterpieces and All Shall Fall is good fun.


I guess it's an unpopular opinion judging by the album reviews and comments like this, but I tried for years and could just never really get into ATHOW or SOND. I just find them kind of boring. They're nice smooth rides but there's very little about them that really grabs me. I think I just like harsher and more varied sounds in my metal. And with Immortal, I much prefer everything that came before ATHOW or SOND, especially Battles in the North and Pure Holocaust.
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des91
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:21 am 
 

At the Heart of Winter is pretty varied and technical though. Always considered it to be pretty technical for Black Metal.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:37 am 
 

I guess my unpopular take is that Immortal aren't really that good.

Another one is that I don't dislike Darkthrone and I really appreciate how innovative they where at the time, but I'd rather listen to bands that where influenced by them and took that raw sound even further.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:25 am 
 

The end complete is better than Cause of Death

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:43 am 
 

Demon Fang wrote:
Smalley wrote:
Fingolfin76 wrote:
Sepultura Chaos A.D. is a great album

You need only contestualize
That's not really an unpopular opinion, though.

Or at least it shouldn't be. Sepultura's last good album tbh.


beneath the remains is sepultura's last good album
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:07 am 
 

Quadra is Sepultura's last good album.
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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:06 am 
 

TheEtreum wrote:
Burzum is one hundred times better than Mayhem.

Mayhem only have one decent album, and even that is ruined by the vocals.

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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:14 am 
 

Fingolfin76 wrote:
The end complete is better than Cause of Death

I find myself listening to End complete more often than COD so I think I agree, but I doubt we're the only ones; wasn't TEC the biggest-selling death metal record ever, or something? Plus they played the entire thing for a streaming gig recently.

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~Guest 280883
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 10:52 am 
 

Lagartija wrote:
Fingolfin76 wrote:
The end complete is better than Cause of Death

I find myself listening to End complete more often than COD so I think I agree, but I doubt we're the only ones; wasn't TEC the biggest-selling death metal record ever, or something? Plus they played the entire thing for a streaming gig recently.


Yeah, that album fell out of favor a bit later, for whatever reason. I like it a lot, not as much as CoD, but in no way was it some kind of a steep decline. But, then, I enjoy World Demise too.

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Chaosmonger
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:24 am 
 

Lagartija wrote:
TheEtreum wrote:
Burzum is one hundred times better than Mayhem.

Mayhem only have one decent album, and even that is ruined by the vocals.



Mayhem only has one GREAT album (which single-handedly justifies their legend) and the vocals are great.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:20 pm 
 

Mayhem have at least three great albums. Ordonad Chao and Esoteric Warfare are cool too.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:27 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
Mayhem have at least three great albums. Ordonad Chao and Esoteric Warfare are cool too.


I agree with you.

des91 wrote:
At the Heart of Winter is pretty varied and technical though. Always considered it to be pretty technical for Black Metal.


Idk, when I say varied, I'm thinking of like Malevolent Creation (the best albums) or stuff like that. For black metal, Bathory or Darkthrone, Gorgoroth, etc., I like most of those 80s-90s bands and how they mix it up, song by song, with varied riffs, rhythms, etc. There's just a lot going on and they know when to end the song.

I've heard later Immortal compared to Motorhead, in the sense that it's... how would you say it? Just... the songs are kind of monotonous, repetitive and unvaried to my ears. Not horribly so, but compared to the aforementioned bands, yes. Once in a while I'm in the mood for Motorhead (or ATHOW, SOND) but generally, no.

I guess it's the same reason I like albums like Esoteric Warfare and Ordo ad Chao, but I know a lot of people hate those records.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:53 pm 
 

Gravetemplar wrote:
Mayhem have at least three great albums. Ordonad Chao and Esoteric Warfare are cool too.


nah, some cool riffs and atmosphere but zero songwriting

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:17 pm 
 

Lagartija wrote:
Fingolfin76 wrote:
The end complete is better than Cause of Death

I find myself listening to End complete more often than COD so I think I agree, but I doubt we're the only ones; wasn't TEC the biggest-selling death metal record ever, or something? Plus they played the entire thing for a streaming gig recently.

Maybe that is the problem with that album,too sell…(for something)

I read that Covenant is the best selling album…

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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 2:22 pm 
 

Chaosmonger wrote:
Lagartija wrote:
TheEtreum wrote:
Burzum is one hundred times better than Mayhem.

Mayhem only have one decent album, and even that is ruined by the vocals.



Mayhem only has one GREAT album (which single-handedly justifies their legend) and the vocals are great.

I know, I was just messing about a bit really. I wouldn't dream of denying their legendary status and the importance of that album. I still think they should have changed name after Euronymous was killed though.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 3:47 pm 
 

Mid-era Paradise Lost (One Second to Paradise Lost) is some great stuff!
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Morrigan
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 5:30 pm 
 

raumr wrote:
That was obviously a joke.

Was it? I'm glad to hear it was a joke, but it was not "obvious" at all, since it was mixed with a full list of other "genuine" unpopular opinions and there was no indication that you were joking.

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And I didn't run away, I wrote several paragraphs of response to HeavenDuff. You are just wrong, and very rude.

Your responses were not involving that comment though. So it looked like you were dodging that one. Also, don't post a troll comment, then whine about "rudeness" later. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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raumr wrote:
Morrigan wrote:
Well yeah. I mean, that was the case when some assclown claimed black metal was the least racist subgenre (and, naturally, ran away and never came back to elaborate).

That was obviously a joke. And I didn't run away, I wrote several paragraphs of response to HeavenDuff. You are just wrong, and very rude.


Just ignore the rudeness. You'll learn it's just Morrigans way of replying whenever someone doesn't agree with him/her. I've rarely seen an intelligent reply from this poster - it usually comes down to name-calling and trying to bully people away from the forum.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 6:33 pm 
 

Chaosmonger wrote:
Gravetemplar wrote:
Mayhem have at least three great albums. Ordonad Chao and Esoteric Warfare are cool too.


nah, some cool riffs and atmosphere but zero songwriting

What does songwriting in the context of Mayhem mean? Cool riffs and atmosphere is pretty much all I ask.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 7:14 pm 
 

Daemon is a great album…

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I barely care about dinosaur bands anymore, you know, the Maidens, Weens, Priests, etc...

I rather look up new bands (that play classic heavy/power/speed, which is what I'm into) that are currently trying to make it and support them because buying 1 album (physically or digitally) from a new band, makes a much bigger impact for them, than for example Maiden, if I buy their album, that money is just a dissapearing drop in the ocean.

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Rocka_Rollas wrote:
I barely care about dinosaur bands anymore, you know, the Maidens, Weens, Priests, etc...

I rather look up new bands (that play classic heavy/power/speed, which is what I'm into) that are currently trying to make it and support them because buying 1 album (physically or digitally) from a new band, makes a much bigger impact for them, than for example Maiden, if I buy their album, that money is just a dissapearing drop in the ocean.


Same! And i've noticed to be like that since my very beginnings, i think i have something like 1 Maiden and 1 Megadeth album in my whole cd collection bought more than fifteen years ago :lol:


On the other hand i realized that i have more fun talking to fans of 80's metal rather than future ex-metalheads that only listen to the latest no-fun-allowed super-self-serious post metal band: I like a lot of that music, but when you are only listening to the 110th variation of Neurosis and don't ever feel the need for a good, cheesy speed metal satan weekend i don't really know how to help you!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:28 am 
 

Rocka_Rollas wrote:
I barely care about dinosaur bands anymore, you know, the Maidens, Weens, Priests, etc...

I rather look up new bands (that play classic heavy/power/speed, which is what I'm into) that are currently trying to make it and support them because buying 1 album (physically or digitally) from a new band, makes a much bigger impact for them, than for example Maiden, if I buy their album, that money is just a dissapearing drop in the ocean.


I read this and, at first, I was, like, what is Ween doing between Maiden and Priest? :D I got it now, but I never saw them referred to as such.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:31 am 
 

Fingolfin76 wrote:
Daemon is a great album…

Indeed, and it's their best record since ''Chimera'', imo.
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