Every day I find myself shocked that the position of "White supremacy is bad and is inherently based on violence towards marginalized groups, therefore it is bad to give positive coverage to things associated with such ideologies because it leads, directly and indirectly, to financial support for people and organizations who inflict said violence towards marginalized people" would be controversial or worth snarky dismissals, but that's the metal scene for ya I guess.

I hate fascists and nazi but I like their music I never have a moral problem to hear them…

Something about this smells like some bull-to-the-shit but gosh golly willickers, I can't quite put my middle finger on it.

ALL NAZIS ARE CUUUUUNTS.

It's definitely a major failure of education globally that nobody seems to know what "censorship" really is anymore.

These kinds of threads always bring out the "amusing" people. *gets popcorn*

My god another prof in the class

I never fear to listen Bilskirnir or Totenburg I fear of Meloni and Salvini genius…

Generalizing is wrong you don’t know me so please forget it…

Every day I find myself shocked that the position of "White supremacy is bad and is inherently based on violence towards marginalized groups, therefore it is bad to give positive coverage to things associated with such ideologies because it leads, directly and indirectly, to financial support for people and organizations who inflict said violence towards marginalized people" would be controversial or worth snarky dismissals, but that's the metal scene for ya I guess.

This is quality bastardry.

And yes, I have to agree that it is also depressing how many people seem to have forgotten the meaning of 'censorship'. The simple fact that we are all talking about something that exists and is legal and readily available for consumption means that it is not censored. I'm not censoring fucking pickles when I ask for my cheeseburgers to be served without pickles. I just don't like pickles, and much like that nsbm bullshit, they leave a foul taste on everything they come into contact with.

If anybody wants to fight about pickles, I'm all for it. I'd much rather fight about pickles than about whether some humans deserve to live or not.

Akhlys is a nazi band right now? Funny

On a scale of 1-10 nazis, where 1 is having toured with Mgla and 10 is running their own DIY gas chamber in the Finnish wilderness, how many Nazis is Inquisition? More importantly, how many of their albums do I not have to buy before we have solved Nazism?

Everyone is a nazi band right now, apparently.

What are you even trying to gripe about here? Please provide a coherent argument at least if you're gonna complain about what other people have to say.

What are you even trying to gripe about here? Please provide a coherent argument at least if you're gonna complain about what other people have to say.

Seriously, I did ONE search on the guy and this is my first result:



But whatever, "that doesn't mean he's a nazi". Wake up.

Why is that funny? Kyle has put out multiple splits with bands with swastikas and celtic crosses in their logos, released on NSBM labels, and even wrote a song called "For Blood and Soil".

It's definitely a major failure of education globally that nobody seems to know what "censorship" really is anymore.

Except a rose by any other name... There are few things more insufferable than leftists who use technicalities to enforce censorship. All this handwringing is so lame. If you have a problem with something don't pursue it. If you feel the need to prevent others from making that choice you're doing freedom wrong. Just don't cover what you don't want to cover. If they feel the need to make a huge statement about it then it's more about them then their cause. Casual condemnation is lame as well. I wonder how many of these people do virtue backgound checks for more than just the art they consume. Like are you sure the guy who fixed your toilet doesn't like Inquisition?

Just don't cover what you don't want to cover.

If you feel the need to prevent others from making that choice you're doing freedom wrong.

Except a rose by any other name... There are few things more insufferable than leftists who use technicalities to enforce censorship. All this handwringing is so lame. If you have a problem with something don't pursue it. If you feel the need to prevent others from making that choice you're doing freedom wrong. Just don't cover what you don't want to cover. If they feel the need to make a huge statement about it then it's more about them then their cause. Casual condemnation is lame as well. I wonder how many of these people do virtue backgound checks for more than just the art they consume. Like are you sure the guy who fixed your toilet doesn't like Inquisition?

My god another prof in the class

I never fear to listen Bilskirnir or Totenburg I fear of Meloni and Salvini genius…

Generalizing is wrong you don’t know me so please forget it…

That's not fair to pickles, bro. Comparing them to neo-nazis...

Nobody is preventing anybody from doing anything. People saying they don't want to consume some media isn't preventing you from listening to whatever swastika covered shit flinging band of worthless morons you want to. Just shut the fuck up and quit hyperventilating over these nonsensical scenarios and being a baby about it, fucking christ.

If the government isn't preventing you from experiencing some kind of speech then you have nothing to worry about. An op ed from some random metal site isn't censorship. But keep on panicking I guess.

Being that you are witnessing the rise of fascism in Italy right now, it seems odd to me that you wouldn't take more seriously the normalization of extreme ideas. Think of it like this, a kid grows up on the internet listening to black metal... they just keep finding more and more extreme stuff and find their way to the nsbm world. Not only are they being exposed to NS ideology, but they're in a corner of the internet that chest puffs and thinks that these ideas are a sign of masculinity and power. They find an identity in that - they also find a "brotherhood" amongst the other nazis.



It's so much more obvious to pick mayo for the comparison... fat, white, gross, always trying to overpower everything else in the burger....

Suddenly I'm reminded of when someone on this very forum accused me of trying to cancel Moonsorrow because I pointed out that they were very comfortable palling around with white supremacists, lol. These people truly don't have any idea what real censorship is. If you wanna separate the art from the artist and listen to bands with fascists in them, I won't stop you.

Some random metal site saying "we're not going to cover bands associated with fascists anymore" isn't censorship. deathmetal.org is right there if you want a metal site that actively supports fascists in the scene, I guess.

And it's a rare day when I fully agree with something BastardHead says. This is that rare day.

So, here’s the why to this specific approach to a policy. Promoting, and thus potentially financially supporting, Neo-Nazi and Nazi-adjacent metal musicians and/or labels risks lending material support to a movement that has been shown [paywalled] to acquire material support not only from direct financial donations, but from the associated culture (such as white power music, festivals, and so on). It is my conviction, as an expert in the study of social movements and with a fairly solid grounding in radicalization, that the real danger posed by supporting Nazi metal is funding white power/Neo-Nazi mobilization, which can and does result in violence aimed at minorities and LGBTQ persons. On a societal level, therefore, material support can indirectly put real people at danger of physical harm and death, without getting into the political ramifications of it all. As such, I will not tolerate the promotion of, defense of, or apologies for Neo-Nazi and Nazi-adjacent bands on AngryMetalGuy.com. This, therefore, is not a discussion about “separating art from the artist.” This is not a discussion about enforcing some kind of ideological purity. This policy recognizes that fascist and Neo-Nazi movements pose an existential threat to people as a fundamental aspect of its ideology. It follows, therefore, that the chance of denying them financial support is worth denying coverage to bands or labels who ideologically promote or are involved in Neo-Nazism, white supremacy, or fascism (or associated organizations). Additionally, not covering these bands is an important signal that we support a community where minorities and LGBTQ persons should feel welcome.

lmao, seconded...

If you agree with this I would think it follows that you would have to be against the inclusion of far-right/nazi bands on the archives. The fact is that MA-hosted reviews, label links and similar artist tabs are one of the best sources of discovery for prospective listeners and promotion for underground metal artists on the internet.

Just posing the thought - To clarify my personal opinion, I think if MA were to exclude these bands as policy it would obviously run contrary to the mission of the site and its place as a neutral archivist. Buuut, I do think you'd have to draw a hardline against this site if you agree wholesale with the above from amg. Idk...

If you agree with this I would think it follows that you would have to be against the inclusion of far-right/nazi bands on the archives. The fact is that MA-hosted reviews, label links and similar artist tabs are one of the best sources of discovery for prospective listeners and promotion for underground metal artists on the internet.

Just posing the thought - To clarify my personal opinion, I think if MA were to exclude these bands as policy it would obviously run contrary to the mission of the site and its place as a neutral archivist. Buuut, I do think you'd have to draw a hardline against this site if you agree wholesale with the above from amg. Idk...

Being that you are witnessing the rise of fascism in Italy right now, it seems odd to me that you wouldn't take more seriously the normalization of extreme ideas. Think of it like this, a kid grows up on the internet listening to black metal... they just keep finding more and more extreme stuff and find their way to the nsbm world. Not only are they being exposed to NS ideology, but they're in a corner of the internet that chest puffs and thinks that these ideas are a sign of masculinity and power. They find an identity in that - they also find a "brotherhood" amongst the other nazis.

This ignores the reality that having a centralized place to archive the history of these guys holds them accountable. Many nazis try and get their music removed from the MA because it gets them in hot water, and guys who play in NS bands or run NS labels can be seen constantly reporting their own pages desperately trying to hide their actions.

MA aims to catalog pretty much everything that meets the criteria. AMG is not an archive site, but first and foremost a review site. MA is an encyclopaedia that happens to allow user reviews. Different criteria apply. Review sites can choose not to cover whatever they don't want to.

I don’t see how hosting positive user reviews, linking directly to labels and distros for purchase, advertising exactly where to stream the music and providing pipelines to do the same for similar bands is holding them accountable.

I agree 100% - though I think you missed my point entirely and perhaps HighwayCorsair did as well. Intent and purpose does not equal impact. AMG said in so many words that hosting a review of nazi bands on their site leads to real world material support for nazis and therefore indirectly leads to physical harm and potential death for people. If that’s true, I’d imagine MA has a far greater potential to promote and therefore lead to real world material support for nazis than a review on amg for the reasons I described above. Whether ones an encyclopedia and the other is a review site is kind of irrelevant.

There are few things more insufferable than leftists who use technicalities to enforce censorship.

All this handwringing is so lame. If you have a problem with something don't pursue it. If you feel the need to prevent others from making that choice you're doing freedom wrong.

Just don't cover what you don't want to cover. If they feel the need to make a huge statement about it then it's more about them then their cause. Casual condemnation is lame as well. I wonder how many of these people do virtue backgound checks for more than just the art they consume. Like are you sure the guy who fixed your toilet doesn't like Inquisition?