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| Author: | PETERG [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
I just found this website through this thread. I do not understand why someone would be mad because another dude on his own fucking website does not like to promote certain artists. This is the same as the era when people tried in vain to add Slipknot to this website and were complaining about the mods "gatekeeping" heavy metal or something. It is not a universal staple, it is not some global human rights paper it is just a fucking website on a corner of the internet. If you want your favorite mustache guy worshipper band list make a website on your own. |
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| Author: | Ex El Ex El Ex [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Personally, I think that Nazis should be generally shunned and excluded from public platforms, not because I disagree with them, but because they follow an inherently violent ideology which isn't compatible with civilized society. It's the same logic behind seeing a guy in a store shitting on the floor while screaming "ALL THE GAYS SHOULD DIE"; you don't kindly rebuke that dude, you remove him from the premises and get him institutionalized. Nothing to be gained by treating that guy as an equal with equally valid opinions to a sane person. Best case scenario with a Nazi is that they're some deeply troubled person who needs psychological/psychiatric help ASAP, and worst case scenario is that they're some evil fuckhead relishing the idea of a race war and subsequent ethnic cleansing. Neither of these people should be legitimized through engagement. |
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| Author: | ~Guest 1423526 [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Ex El Ex El Ex wrote: Personally, I think that Nazis should be generally shunned and excluded from public platforms, not because I disagree with them, but because they follow an inherently violent ideology which isn't compatible with civilized society. It's the same logic behind seeing a guy in a store shitting on the floor while screaming "ALL THE GAYS SHOULD DIE"; you don't kindly rebuke that dude, you remove him from the premises and get him institutionalized. Nothing to be gained by treating that guy as an equal with equally valid opinions to a sane person. Best case scenario with a Nazi is that they're some deeply troubled person who needs psychological/psychiatric help ASAP, and worst case scenario is that they're some evil fuckhead relishing the idea of a race war and subsequent ethnic cleansing. Neither of these people should be legitimized through engagement. I agree with you if that is applicate erga omnes |
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| Author: | pyratebastard [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Bingewolf wrote: It's so much more obvious to pick mayo for the comparison... fat, white, gross, always trying to overpower everything else in the burger.... ![]() This. Means. WARRRRR God dammit, all I wanted to do was attack pickles, and now I'm questioning myself for being a fan of mayonnaise. Am I the baddie? Fingolfin76 wrote: Ex El Ex El Ex wrote: Personally, I think that Nazis should be generally shunned and excluded from public platforms, not because I disagree with them, but because they follow an inherently violent ideology which isn't compatible with civilized society. It's the same logic behind seeing a guy in a store shitting on the floor while screaming "ALL THE GAYS SHOULD DIE"; you don't kindly rebuke that dude, you remove him from the premises and get him institutionalized. Nothing to be gained by treating that guy as an equal with equally valid opinions to a sane person. Best case scenario with a Nazi is that they're some deeply troubled person who needs psychological/psychiatric help ASAP, and worst case scenario is that they're some evil fuckhead relishing the idea of a race war and subsequent ethnic cleansing. Neither of these people should be legitimized through engagement. I agree with you if that is applicate erga omnes Congratulations on your 88th post being in a thread where you are defending fascism in music, I guess? |
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| Author: | ~Guest 1423526 [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
I hate censorship more than nazi bands Think what you want I don’t care I live in a country where born fascist and we have study,holocaust is one of major shame of humanity but I like some nazi bands that all… I don’t want defend no one… But you can’t judge a person or the background or the culture for a post on a internet Forum. Ops 88 I didn’t take the irony |
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| Author: | Ex El Ex El Ex [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Fingolfin76 wrote: Ex El Ex El Ex wrote: Personally, I think that Nazis should be generally shunned and excluded from public platforms, not because I disagree with them, but because they follow an inherently violent ideology which isn't compatible with civilized society. It's the same logic behind seeing a guy in a store shitting on the floor while screaming "ALL THE GAYS SHOULD DIE"; you don't kindly rebuke that dude, you remove him from the premises and get him institutionalized. Nothing to be gained by treating that guy as an equal with equally valid opinions to a sane person. Best case scenario with a Nazi is that they're some deeply troubled person who needs psychological/psychiatric help ASAP, and worst case scenario is that they're some evil fuckhead relishing the idea of a race war and subsequent ethnic cleansing. Neither of these people should be legitimized through engagement. I agree with you if that is applicate erga omnes I honestly have no idea what you're trying to argue here. That what I said should apply to everyone? Well, yes, it's not a crazy standard to expect people to not shit on the floor and demand the annihilation of minorities. |
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| Author: | Bingewolf [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Fingolfin76 wrote: I don’t believe that 99 per cent of folks that listen nazi bands care about they wrote.. Maybe if the school or family works we didn’t have that problem Like a band is satanist is always banned as joke or don’t serious if Satanic Warmaster wrote a song 30 years ago about Hitler is a problem for our culture… Music is a form of art if you ban music you must ban everything make a message of violence period. Ps For the genius censorship, the changing or the suppression or prohibition of speech or writing that is deemed subversive of the common good. It occurs in all manifestations of authority to some degree, but in modern times it has been of special importance in its relation to government and the rule of law. Encyclopedia Britannica Again, no one is censoring or banning anything... Choosing to not review Nazi bands on your website doesn't mean that the music doesn't exist. Seems like you're having a hard time comprehending what censorship is. People saying "fuck nazis, I'm not supporting them" doesn't mean that anyone has been banned or censored. I also completely disagree with your generalizations. Go on the street and ask 100 people "if you found out a musician was a nazi, would you still listen to their music?" and see how many "Yes" votes you get... |
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| Author: | Dhalgren_ [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Imagine getting all worked up and crying about censorship when one random metal site doesn't want to review your beloved nazi bands. |
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| Author: | TheEtreum [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
CrippledLucifer wrote: A man of culture I see. But my point was, It's Metallica a nazi group or not? Aren't they? What Factcheckers say? xD They are very nazis in this photo. They said that almost all metal is nazi, including Mayhem, and even Perturbator, yep. Why not cancel metal at all? Less problems. I don't care about reviews sites, but I don't see why the argument against these "NSBM affiliates" bands like Inquisition (the only proof of Dagon being a nazi is him posing in a old South American record with a nazi flag) is different from what a Christian can make against satanic bands or DSBM bands, or death metal bands. If you think that people listening Nokturnal Mortum is going afterwards to k111 kxxxx or send all their money to the Azov army just because their records are so fantastic, is correct to think also that people going to k111 themselves after listening to DSBM or run to rape women and children after listening to Cannibal Corpse. You are enabling an spiral of puritanical political correctness that do not have a limit itself. First the so-called "nazis", what will be the next? Suicide is morally bad. Rape is morally bad. Satanism is morally bad. Yeah I know, it is not censorship. Why they are not honest and call it for what it is? Why they are so triggered when some one says the word? Maybe they like to mask their authoritarian wet dream behind others words? Quote: Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient". Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions and other controlling bodies. Governments and private organizations may engage in censorship. Other groups or institutions may propose and petition for censorship You are funny guys. Nazis are rent free in your minds all days, there is no thread here where no one does not start with the cry and the tears, because they are the evil guys and you are so morally superior and rebels for be aligned with all the Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Money tell you to believe. I can't imagine the suffering and guilty of yours because listening to black metal, and your pain in the ass when you learn about what Euronymous or Hellhammer, and even Quorton said about minorities. So, go ahead, go ahead, this show is superfunny. |
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| Author: | Empyreal [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 6:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
^ This is exactly what everyone was saying before though. I doubt these threads would ever get off the ground if not for the whining of the other side that is so obsessed with everyone having to be OK with bands with Nazi leanings, as if to validate their own apathy toward the subject. |
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| Author: | Dhalgren_ [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
TheEtreum wrote: I don't care about reviews sites, but I don't see why the argument against these "NSBM affiliates" bands like Inquisition (the only proof of Dagon being a nazi is him posing in a old South American record with a nazi flag) is different from what a Christian can make against satanic bands or DSBM bands, or death metal bands. I don't think anyone is crying about censorship if a christian music blog takes the POV that they don't want to cover any satanic bands. If anyone is, that's a dumb argument. |
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| Author: | doomicus [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Whatabout-ism like that found in TheEtreum's post is dumb and irrelevant to this discussion. There is a clear difference between Metallica members being edgy dumbasses in a photo, and a band like Der Sturmer who have/had members that were involved in the Golden Dawn political party. People don't "witchhunt" Metallica. While that photo is in bad taste, in context of the band's history and members, it is clear that they're not Nazis. |
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| Author: | Curious_dead [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
TheEtreum wrote: You are funny guys. Nazis are rent free in your minds all days, there is no thread here where no one does not start with the cry and the tears, because they are the evil guys and you are so morally superior and rebels for be aligned with all the Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Money tell you to believe. I can't imagine the suffering and guilty of yours because listening to black metal, and your pain in the ass when you learn about what Euronymous or Hellhammer, and even Quorton said about minorities. So, go ahead, go ahead, this show is superfunny. Well, yes. Nazis are evil. Being morally superior to Nazis isn't a hard threshold to cross. I'm not saying that to feel better or to make anyone feel bad, I'm saying this because Nazis are evil as fuck. I'm not sure what the fuck you mean being aligned with big pharma, big tech and big money, but that's usually the sort of anti-establishment bullshit that is used to justify an asshole-ish position. "Big Pharma", I'm assuming because we follow public health measures? Big Tech, because big techs sack right wing assholes (I guess that means users like this particular fuck ignore all the criticism thrown by the left at big tech companies)? Big money because sOrOs mOnEy? THis is the talk of a wannabe free-thinker who's ironically incapable of the very bare minimum criticial thinking. "I'm not wearing masks, not because I'm an asshole, but because BiG pHaRmA isn't going to tell me what to do!" (said before they start sucking on a bIg pHaRmA vnetilator). |
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| Author: | asphaalanx [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
TheEtreum wrote: I don't care about reviews sites, but I don't see why the argument against these "NSBM affiliates" bands like Inquisition (the only proof of Dagon being a nazi is him posing in a old South American record with a nazi flag) is different from what a Christian can make against satanic bands or DSBM bands, or death metal bands. If you think that people listening Nokturnal Mortum is going afterwards to k111 kxxxx or send all their money to the Azov army just because their records are so fantastic, is correct to think also that people going to k111 themselves after listening to DSBM or run to rape women and children after listening to Cannibal Corpse. You are enabling an spiral of puritanical political correctness that do not have a limit itself. First the so-called "nazis", what will be the next? It can be argued that Dagon's electronic project lended further credence to the idea. |
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| Author: | MonumentalBlackArt [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Obviously nobody needs to listen to or review something they find objectionable for whatever reason. But say you have a hypothetical 2023 "Top 10" in a year with new Mgla, Sargeist, Marduk, Drudkh, Burzum (back from the grave with something better than Fallen, idk), Inquisition etc etc and you don't even acknowledge their existence? It would be impossible to take your site seriously. I think it's one thing to not want to promote a JewcrushKampf88 album that is explicitly NSBM, but come on. |
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| Author: | Ex El Ex El Ex [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
People like Etreum are the kind of empty-headed fucks who think that listening to Joe Rogan and saying "both sides are bad" somehow hides the empty concave space where their brain should be. |
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| Author: | Wilytank [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
My favorite part was actually about "Nazis living rent free in your head" when he spent most of his time on this forum vehemently defending the Senjitsu album in like seven different threads. Congratulations on making that your personality, fam. |
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| Author: | ModusOperandi [ Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:53 pm ] |
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Etreum's chud bingo of a post notwithstanding, it should also be said very clearly without any misinterpretation that a declarative statement beginning with, "I don't like Nazis BUT..." are the words of a cowardly, water-carrying liar trying to run interference, and doing a shit job at it. |
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| Author: | CrippledLucifer [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
TheEtreum wrote: If you think that people listening Nokturnal Mortum is going afterwards to k111 kxxxx or send all their money to the Azov army just because their records are so fantastic, is correct to think also that people going to k111 themselves after listening to DSBM or run to rape women and children after listening to Cannibal Corpse. You are enabling an spiral of puritanical political correctness that do not have a limit itself. First the so-called "nazis", what will be the next? Sorry that the puritanical spiral got you already but it's funny that you mention Azov since their links to NSBM are readily known through that one nazi festival in Ukraine, in which by the way Nokturnal Mortum have played before. There is a pipeline from fascist music to violent, armed far-right activity barely hidden under 5 minutes of internet search, and either knowingly or unwittingly to you, your NSBM money is put to use in funding this shit. |
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| Author: | Dooders [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:08 am ] |
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Don't advertise what you do not want to promote. Don't buy from who you dont wan't to support. Don't listen to who you don't like. |
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| Author: | Aldrahn333 [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:57 am ] |
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Bingewolf wrote: ....Go on the street and ask 100 people "if you found out a musician was a nazi, would you still listen to their music?" and see how many "Yes" votes you get... https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... oss/413048 Good luck |
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| Author: | doomicus [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:35 am ] |
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Aldrahn333 wrote: Bingewolf wrote: ....Go on the street and ask 100 people "if you found out a musician was a nazi, would you still listen to their music?" and see how many "Yes" votes you get... https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/B ... oss/413048 Good luck Lol, don’t think they’d need it. Very few if any of a 100 person random sample of people walked up to on the street will be metalheads, and even fewer of those would be fans of black metal. This response is myopic as fuck. |
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| Author: | Gravetemplar [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:47 am ] |
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Try explaining to your non metalhead friends you listen to shitty music made by some nazi murderer. Besides, the growing number of people who won't listen to Burzum is always increasing. |
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| Author: | ~Guest 1423526 [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:56 am ] |
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Bingewolf wrote: Fingolfin76 wrote: I don’t believe that 99 per cent of folks that listen nazi bands care about they wrote.. Maybe if the school or family works we didn’t have that problem Like a band is satanist is always banned as joke or don’t serious if Satanic Warmaster wrote a song 30 years ago about Hitler is a problem for our culture… Music is a form of art if you ban music you must ban everything make a message of violence period. Ps For the genius censorship, the changing or the suppression or prohibition of speech or writing that is deemed subversive of the common good. It occurs in all manifestations of authority to some degree, but in modern times it has been of special importance in its relation to government and the rule of law. Encyclopedia Britannica Again, no one is censoring or banning anything... Choosing to not review Nazi bands on your website doesn't mean that the music doesn't exist. Seems like you're having a hard time comprehending what censorship is. People saying "fuck nazis, I'm not supporting them" doesn't mean that anyone has been banned or censored. I also completely disagree with your generalizations. Go on the street and ask 100 people "if you found out a musician was a nazi, would you still listen to their music?" and see how many "Yes" votes you get... Choosing to not review a nazi bands is censorship.. Again My last post here |
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| Author: | doomicus [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:06 am ] |
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Fingolfin76 wrote: Bingewolf wrote: Fingolfin76 wrote: I don’t believe that 99 per cent of folks that listen nazi bands care about they wrote.. Maybe if the school or family works we didn’t have that problem Like a band is satanist is always banned as joke or don’t serious if Satanic Warmaster wrote a song 30 years ago about Hitler is a problem for our culture… Music is a form of art if you ban music you must ban everything make a message of violence period. Ps For the genius censorship, the changing or the suppression or prohibition of speech or writing that is deemed subversive of the common good. It occurs in all manifestations of authority to some degree, but in modern times it has been of special importance in its relation to government and the rule of law. Encyclopedia Britannica Again, no one is censoring or banning anything... Choosing to not review Nazi bands on your website doesn't mean that the music doesn't exist. Seems like you're having a hard time comprehending what censorship is. People saying "fuck nazis, I'm not supporting them" doesn't mean that anyone has been banned or censored. I also completely disagree with your generalizations. Go on the street and ask 100 people "if you found out a musician was a nazi, would you still listen to their music?" and see how many "Yes" votes you get... Choosing to not review a nazi bands is censorship.. Again My last post here Again, you fail to understand what censorship is. No it isn’t. |
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| Author: | Ex El Ex El Ex [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:30 am ] |
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Man, I was originally willing to give some slack to Fingolfin because of a perceived language barrier, but no, turns out he's just an idiot. |
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| Author: | Curious_dead [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:42 am ] |
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Lol, this is even worse than the ones whining about cancel culture, it's a fundamental, profound misunderstanding about what the fuck is even censorship. That's like closing an argument: "Your honor, my client stabbed the victim 74 times in the back, but it isn't murder. My last comment here." |
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| Author: | acid_bukkake [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
I guess choosing not to shop at certain stores is theft, too. |
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| Author: | BastardHead [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
You are censoring my free speech if you do not donate to my paypal right this instant. |
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| Author: | Morrigan [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:18 am ] |
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Fingolfin76 wrote: My last post here It sure is |
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| Author: | pyratebastard [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:36 pm ] |
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Fingolfin76 wrote: My last post here Finally, something we can all agree on. |
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| Author: | Gravetemplar [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
Here the man behind Angry Metal Guy whitewashes Dagon being a pedophile and apparently claims the real issue is just his connection to the NSBM scene. Cool cool cool. https://twitter.com/AngryMetalGuy/statu ... 5753851906 |
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| Author: | Dhalgren_ [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:20 pm ] |
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Gravetemplar wrote: Here the man behind Angry Metal Guy whitewashes Dagon being a pedophile and apparently claims the real issue is just his connection to the NSBM scene. Cool cool cool. https://twitter.com/AngryMetalGuy/statu ... 5753851906 I think his point is that there's no need to do a big article about why you're not covering bands with child abusers because there aren't as many (that are known anyway). But yeah he's not coming off well in that thread either way. |
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| Author: | Gravetemplar [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:41 pm ] |
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Dhalgren_ wrote: Gravetemplar wrote: Here the man behind Angry Metal Guy whitewashes Dagon being a pedophile and apparently claims the real issue is just his connection to the NSBM scene. Cool cool cool. https://twitter.com/AngryMetalGuy/statu ... 5753851906 I think his point is that there's no need to do a big article about why you're not covering bands with child abusers because there aren't as many (that are known anyway). But yeah he's not coming off well in that thread either way. It should be really easy though. Just say you don't need to make a statement about covering bands with child abusers because it's a given and no sane person would promote pedophiles. Instead he went down the rabbit hole of technicalities to somehow don't condemn it, which is definitely weird if you don't support pedophiles. |
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| Author: | henkkjelle [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:46 pm ] |
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His point is that as there is no systematic pedo problem in the metal scene, it's not necessary to mention a specific pedo metal musician in a policy update about addressing NSBM, which is a systematic problem in the metal scene. I don't think that's whitewashing Dagon being a pedophile. |
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| Author: | Gravetemplar [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
He definitely didn't address the problem and pedophilia might not be a specific problem in metal but it has always been a huge issue within the artistic world that seems worth addressing (Michael Jackson, Roman Polanski, David Bowie, etc). One of his editors minimized Dagon being a pedophile and he approved that post initially, then banned NSBM when shit hit the fan. In other words, this is just a move to save face, as others have already pointed. He had no trouble with nazism or pedophilia when nobody was complaining. He's willingly ignoring half the problem with whataboutism. |
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| Author: | Hexenmacht46290 [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:00 pm ] |
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BastardHead wrote: You are censoring my free speech if you do not donate to my paypal right this instant. All the bands I know, that play shows at community centers and coffee shops, are being censored, by normie culture. They don’t get to choose to listen to pop music, because that’s not free freedom. Freedom is doing what I want them too. |
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| Author: | Jebator [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:30 pm ] |
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After reading this whole thread: so, AMG states they won't be reviewing anything nazi related (something most of the people here including me wholeheartedly agree with), yet some of you who are generaly agreeing with that are not satisfied?! Jesus F christ people get a life |
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| Author: | Twisted_Psychology [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:33 pm ] |
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It just boggles my mind how this all would've been avoided had they just double checked their lists and not published one that included an album released by a Nazi pedophile THE YEAR BEFORE. I'm glad they're addressing the problem to the best of their ability but it's a real weird lack of oversight. |
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| Author: | rarezuzuh [ Wed Jan 12, 2022 3:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: AMG takes on Nazis |
MonumentalBlackArt wrote: Obviously nobody needs to listen to or review something they find objectionable for whatever reason. But say you have a hypothetical 2023 "Top 10" in a year with new Mgla, Sargeist, Marduk, Drudkh, Burzum (back from the grave with something better than Fallen, idk), Inquisition etc etc and you don't even acknowledge their existence? It would be impossible to take your site seriously. I think it's one thing to not want to promote a JewcrushKampf88 album that is explicitly NSBM, but come on. I largely agree with AMG on this one, but this point is tricky for me to dismiss. It's unfortunately true that many highlights of black metal were made by some fucking vile people. I hate that standing by convictions of basic decency should ever come into conflict with recognizing artistic merit. Still you have to draw the line somewhere, and while I don't know that AMG handled this perfectly, I have to support them trying to fix things now. |
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