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Terri23
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:06 pm 
 
draconiondevil wrote:
In_Zane wrote:
Metal_On_The_Ascendant wrote:
This is a pretty good review. Apparently their next album is gonna have a 30+ minute song - fucking YIKES

https://www.metal-archives.com/reviews/ ... s/1049692/

30 minute songs can be good if done right.

I dont think Manowar can do that right.



It seems that Manowar haven't learnt their lesson from Achilles. That song has good individual sections but it would've been better as maybe 3 separate songs connected by a common theme, rather than being one huge song with padding in between. If the new 30-minute song is the same as Achilles, I'd expect more of the same. Good parts that don't really work as a whole.


Seems like they're going to complete their Iliad/Odyssey saga. It would make sense for it to be an equally ridiculous 30 minute track, probably with an epic 14 minute bass solo from Joey as he tells his interpretation of Odysseus' encounter with the cyclops Polyphemus.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:08 pm 
 
Terri23 wrote:
Seems like they're going to complete their Iliad/Odyssey saga. It would make sense for it to be an equally ridiculous 30 minute track, probably with an epic 14 minute bass solo from Joey as he tells his interpretation of Odysseus' encounter with the cyclops Polyphemus.


The gods would never ordain this. They'd rather Virgin Steele circa 1999 if it were up to them.
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Zerberus
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:48 am 
 
DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
One thing you need to be warned: On like all of their early albums the guitars are totally drowned out by the bass because Joey is an egomaniac.

Oh yeah. I would put Louder Than Hell in the "If you hate yourself" category. To this day I can't even get through 3 songs. Don't let that one be your introduction.


LTH was actually the album that got me into Manowar back when I was like 13-14 years old, together with Kings of Metal. It's dumb, sure, but it's also catchy as hell.

Regarding the bass, I think it fits their sound very well since they only have one guitarist, and it really lends a sort of percussive quality to their sound that makes them stand out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:40 am 
 
Terri23 wrote:
Seems like they're going to complete their Iliad/Odyssey saga. It would make sense for it to be an equally ridiculous 30 minute track, probably with an epic 14 minute bass solo from Joey as he tells his interpretation of Odysseus' encounter with the cyclops Polyphemus.


I think you may be right. There's a leaked track list that points in that direction:

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The Revenge of Odysseus

01 Athena’s Theme (Ins.)
02 Telemachus – Part I (with Konstantinos Kazakos and Sakis Tolis) (Ancient Greek)
03 I Play the Bass Guitar (Ins.)
04 Where Eagles Fly (with Chiara Tricarico)
05 Happy Birthday, Sarah Brightman (A Capella)
06 Drum Solo, Totally Unrelated to the Rest of this Epic Journey – Part I, Chapter 1, Floor 2
07 Odysseus and Calypso – The Island of Ogygia (with Kostas Kazakos) (Ancient Greek)
08 Strings of Iron (Ins.)
09 Hmmlbdb (with Arnold Schwarzenegger) (Ancient Enochian)
10 I Play the Bass Guitar Again (Ins.)
11 Heartbreak Hotel / Blue Suede Shoes / The Star-Spangled Banner (Odysseus in America)
12 Immortal
13 Raise your Fist and Die


There are also leaked lyrics…

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Raise your Fist and Die

Brothers in Valhalla
Who Died in Battle Fair,
Let thy Glory shine on all the
Brothers Everywhere.

Elysium, I'm Coming,
I am nearly There,
With the Blood of False Metal on my Sword –
And Wind in my Hair.

Chorus:
Raise your Fist in the Mist
And Die
For the Glory of the Eagles
In the Sky,
For they will always Fly,
They will never Kneel,
Fly on the Wind that was Born…
… - Like a Fart of Steel.

May your Winds stay Wet,
The Bubbles Nice and Brown,
The Cloud of Death and Glory –
May Rise and be your Crown.

Your Fast Car be your Horse,
The Battlefield your Town,
The Cloud of Death and Glory
And Thunder be your Crown.

Chorus:
Raise your Fist in the Mist
And Die
For the Glory of the Eagles
In the Sky,
For they will always Fly,
They will never Kneel,
Fly on the Wind that was Born…
… - Like a Fart of Steel.

Stand and Fart,
Live by your Heart,
Let thy Valkyries fly,
Don't be Afraid to Die,
Stand and Fart,
Say what you Feel,
Stand tall and never Kneel.

Die, die, die – with your Crown On,
Die, die, die – with a Beer in your Hand,
Die, die, die – and Hail to the Brothers
Who Make a Stand
For Honor and Glory,
Valor and Pride,
With Blood on their Swords,
Stand and Fart… and DIEEEEEE!


… and a leaked snippet from an interview with the bass player (a true businessman) and Vyvyenne Chatterdell from TrueMetalNews:

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Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "I've heard your new album is about Odysseus…"

Dr. Joy: "That was a hero of sorts in Ancient Grease."

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "When was that?"

Dr. Joy: "Years ago. Look, we don't concern ourselves with today's politics. We write from the hh-heart. The new epic Manowar masterpiece has 13 phenomenal tracks, including a programmed 9 minute drum solo - and that's not even counting the boner tracks. One is called "Blood on your Sword", and, uhm, it's against menstruation, or, as the Ancient Geeks called it: 'men's true aching'".

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "Interesting. Is it worth abolishing?"

Dr. Joy: "Of course it is."

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "That sounds quite current… and topical."

Dr. Joy: "Look, we always concern ourselves with today's politics. After all, there's only one planet Earth, and we have to take care of it. By the way, the new cover artwork, by none other than Dick Longish, is a grand new masterpiece. To be honest, it is the best artwork that ever had the privilege to grace a Manowar sleeve. Ta-dah, here it is! Just look at them boobs... And, no, I don't mean the girls."

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "You're quite old. I mean, like, really old. Can you still get erections and stuff?"

Dr. Joy: "Of course. Look… "

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "Interesting. Can I touch it?"

Dr. Joy: "No… I mean, yes, but that's $50 for you."

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "You're quite expensive."

Dr. Joy: "I'm not your pleasure slave. But you'll get your money's worth."

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "And an autograph?"

Dr. Joy: "That's $150.99."

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "I only have $45. I think I'll take the…"

Dr. Joy: "Too late, it's gone."

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "What a bummer."

Dr. Joy: "Anyway, the new album is a true masterpiece and a true… oh, look, it's back!"

Vyvyenne Chatterdell: "Amazing. How'd you do that?"


The following clip suggests there's just no end to the leakage:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:06 am 
 
DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
Zerberus wrote:
If you like dumdum epic power metal with stupid (but enjoyable) riffs:
Warriors of the World
Dawn of Battle EP
Thunder in the Sky EP
Sons of Odin EP
Gods of War


Also about Gods of War, a whoooooole lot of epic synths. I love it for that.

For me it's the reason the album is not as good as it could have been. With Overture to the Hymn of the Immortal Warriors (6:19) and The Ascension (2:30) is takes almost 9 minutes before we get to the first riffs on a Manowar album. It is too bloated and the synths are too fake to be immersive.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:26 am 
 
Lord_Lexy wrote:
DoomMetalAlchemist wrote:
Zerberus wrote:
If you like dumdum epic power metal with stupid (but enjoyable) riffs:
Warriors of the World
Dawn of Battle EP
Thunder in the Sky EP
Sons of Odin EP
Gods of War


Also about Gods of War, a whoooooole lot of epic synths. I love it for that.

For me it's the reason the album is not as good as it could have been. With Overture to the Hymn of the Immortal Warriors (6:19) and The Ascension (2:30) is takes almost 9 minutes before we get to the first riffs on a Manowar album. It is too bloated and the synths are too fake to be immersive.


I definitely understand this view point. If you're in it for the metal, you're definitely going to be disappointed. :lol: And if you don't like your synths sounding like 90s JRPGs like I do, and would rather them be more realistic, yeah I get that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:57 am 
 
This all makes me wonder what it would be like if Joey Demaio and David DeFeis were in the same band.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:18 am 
 
MANOWAR stopped being relevant years ago. I still wear a 'Kings of Metal' backpatch on my vest and I'm not going to take it off, but I can't fucking support them anymore. Joey just keeps releasing the most uninspired pieces of music he's ever written to save some some money for his retirement. Well, luckily for him Manowar fans have anuses made of steel that he can just keep on fucking and making money on them.

The 'Spoken Word Tour'? Gimme a break. If this wasn't the ultimate money grab then I don't know what it was.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:15 am 
 
LongHairIsSoFuckingCool wrote:
I've never listened to Manowar. Are they worth getting into?

'The triumph of steel' EXCEPT the fucking 30-minute band tune-up at the beginning is all you need.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:23 am 
 
Zerberus wrote:
LTH was actually the album that got me into Manowar back when I was like 13-14 years old, together with Kings of Metal.

Same here, one of my first metal CDs. I played the fuck out of it and still remember liking it a lot (although I haven't actually listened to it for years).

By the way, Bonejammer rules :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:25 am 
 
Never understood the hate for Louder Than Hell. It's the last fully good album they've done, imo. Warriors of the World also has some of their best songs but there's so much fluff on that album and the track listing makes it barely worth listening through the whole thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 1:17 am 
 
draconiondevil wrote:
Never understood the hate for Louder Than Hell.

The quality of the songwriting is definitely below that of any of the previous seven records. It is a straughtforward rocker and I like it for that, but I’d pick any of the older albums over this.

When Warriors of the Worlds has riffs in between its fluff, it is better than Louder Than Hell.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:11 am 
 
Lagartija wrote:

By the way, Bonejammer rules :thumbsup:


Thanks dude!



When Ross the Boss left the riffage definitely took a turn sharp into simple-town. Luckily they've always had Eric Adams' insane voice to carry them onward, so even with shitty lyrics the simpler formula from LTH and onward still worked decently for them.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:03 pm 
 
Lord_Lexy wrote:
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Never understood the hate for Louder Than Hell.

The quality of the songwriting is definitely below that of any of the previous seven records. It is a straughtforward rocker and I like it for that, but I’d pick any of the older albums over this.

When Warriors of the Worlds has riffs in between its fluff, it is better than Louder Than Hell.


Ok Yeah The Dawn of Battle EP and the good songs on Warriors of the World are better than Louder Than Hell, but Louder Than Hell is still very catchy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:51 am 
 
Zerberus wrote:
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By the way, Bonejammer rules :thumbsup:


Thanks dude!



When Ross the Boss left the riffage definitely took a turn sharp into simple-town. Luckily they've always had Eric Adams' insane voice to carry them onward, so even with shitty lyrics the simpler formula from LTH and onward still worked decently for them.


It started with Fighting the World. Something happened to Joey between 1984 and 1987. I don't know if it was because it was the first Manowar record to really sell in any significant numbers, or if something else just broke in his skull.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:44 am 
 
Louder than Hell and Warriors of the World have the same problem where they have three or four awesome tracks in a sea of filler. Louder than Hell just frontloads its best tracks while Warriors just kinda sprinkles them throughout.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:44 am 
 
Terri23 wrote:

It started with Fighting the World. Something happened to Joey between 1984 and 1987. I don't know if it was because it was the first Manowar record to really sell in any significant numbers, or if something else just broke in his skull.


They recorded and released Hail to England and Sign of the Hammer almost back to back, and were otherwise touring constantly, especially in Europe. It's possible that Joey wanted to commercialise Manowar's sound as much as possible to make it commercially viable in the long run.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:17 pm 
 
Zerberus wrote:
They recorded and released Hail to England and Sign of the Hammer almost back to back, and were otherwise touring constantly, especially in Europe. It's possible that Joey wanted to commercialise Manowar's sound as much as possible to make it commercially viable in the long run.


The dichotomy between the opening songs of Sign of the Hammer and Fighting the World has always been pretty funny. All Men Play on Ten being the ultimate "we'll never sell out" declaration, and then 3 years later...


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See my brother standing by my side
Only got one thing in our mind
Radio playing this nation wide
Turn it up louder'til we all get fried


The three Atlantic records are quite expensive sounding, very sleek and with a pretty great sounding drum machine for the time (FtW and KoM at least, ToS I'm pretty sure are real drums), I wonder how much support they had within the label and if they were asked to try to write hits in return. Someone should ask Ross about it he seems like he's pretty much dropped the act unlike Joey. Eric from what I've heard is just happy to keep performing, good news for the rest of the band as he's carried them for the last 30 years!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 3:49 pm 
 
Nanoscourge wrote:
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They recorded and released Hail to England and Sign of the Hammer almost back to back, and were otherwise touring constantly, especially in Europe. It's possible that Joey wanted to commercialise Manowar's sound as much as possible to make it commercially viable in the long run.


The dichotomy between the opening songs of Sign of the Hammer and Fighting the World has always been pretty funny. All Men Play on Ten being the ultimate "we'll never sell out" declaration, and then 3 years later...


Oh absolutely, though I think the irony is lost on Joey.


Nanoscourge wrote:
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Only got one thing in our mind
Radio playing this nation wide
Turn it up louder'til we all get fried


The three Atlantic records are quite expensive sounding, very sleek and with a pretty great sounding drum machine for the time (FtW and KoM at least, ToS I'm pretty sure are real drums), I wonder how much support they had within the label and if they were asked to try to write hits in return. Someone should ask Ross about it he seems like he's pretty much dropped the act unlike Joey. Eric from what I've heard is just happy to keep performing, good news for the rest of the band as he's carried them for the last 30 years!


At the very least it would've been a huge hassle to make the drum solo on the opening track on a drum machine!
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