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Varcolac
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:15 pm 
 

So, been a big fan since War.Cult Supremacy. but starting to feel a little dirty about the thinly veiled nazi image. Anyone got any solid info or experience about James or the bands?

I know Ryan is in Blasphemy and obvs with Caller in the band it seems to give him an out but skin colour doesn't disqualify anyone form having relationships with dodgy political bandmates.

Don't want to stop listening to Conqueror but kind of over potentially supporting bad people.

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easyrocker
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:29 pm 
 

They’re social darwinists / might makes right dudes.

Funny that you think Ryan knowing a black guy is some sort of “out” considering he himself is mixed race as I recall, and especially funny considering Caller is associated with the same exact circles!

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:51 pm 
 

Yeah, sometimes racist far-right dudes try to rationalize their shit whenever they have friends who are from different ethnic groups, namely by saying that their friends are one of the few "good ones" or that they are different. My ex girlfriend is Moroccan, and racist white dudes from the black metal scene here used that kind of bullshit rationalization to justify including her in their circle. This, and also since she's a woman, they probably still fetishize her, regardless of how much they despise her ethnic group.

For a long time, Indria was Peste Noire's "token" ethnic minority. But there is no doubt that Famine is a racist piece of shit, just like Audrey Sylvain. They also probably rationalized it like this. Also it's wrong to assume that people who are racists just hate every race the same. Some people just hate specific ethnic groups or nationalities.

Oh, and the fact that anyone in there is of mixed ethnic background or non-white doesn't mean they can't be racists. You can be a racist regardless of the ethnic group you're a part of.

And yeah, I'm going to back what easyrocker said, "social darwinists" are usually very much right-wing leaning and justify a ton of their bullshit ideology with a terrible terrible terrible understanding of Darwinism that they apply without any kind of structured analysis to humans and societies. I don't know about Conqueror's stance per se, but if they are self-proclaimed social darwinists, chances are that it's bad news, haha!

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MetalMerchant
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:21 pm 
 

you people are so fucking gay


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Metal_On_The_Ascendant
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:31 pm 
 

Varcolac wrote:
I know Ryan is in Blasphemy and obvs with Caller in the band it seems to give him an out but skin colour doesn't disqualify anyone form having relationships with dodgy political bandmates.


As HeavenDuff stated so well, having friends/lovers/partners of different racialized minorities does not mean one CAN'T be racist.

Ultimately the decision is yours and I doubt anyone will have any answers for you for certain (threads about Revenge, Conqueror etc and their image have been here before).

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you people are so fucking gay


Okay...and?
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Defenestrated
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:01 pm 
 

That's not Miami Metal Merchant, is it? Pretty sure it's not.

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cultofkraken
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:14 pm 
 

I think you guys are not really aware of how zero tolerance those Blasphemy dudes are about white supremacists. I’ve personally watched them make fun of, or beat the fuck out of WS types.I don’t know if things have changed since I’ve been a peripheral guy around that crew but yeah that was not something that was tolerated.
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lennonlikesmetal
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:46 pm 
 

Elite bands with elite blokes.

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:55 pm 
 

cultofkraken wrote:
I think you guys are not really aware of how zero tolerance those Blasphemy dudes are about white supremacists. I’ve personally watched them make fun of, or beat the fuck out of WS types.I don’t know if things have changed since I’ve been a peripheral guy around that crew but yeah that was not something that was tolerated.


I vaguely remember something along those lines. I also remember them taking a firm stance against Kusabs when he was sentenced for possession and distribution of child pornography. So I guess they are also clean on that kind of shitty behavior too. Not that there is a direct connection between the two, but sometimes people with extreme views are weirdly tolerant of shit like this (like that Inquisition dude)

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Varcolac
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:32 am 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
I think you guys are not really aware of how zero tolerance those Blasphemy dudes are about white supremacists. I’ve personally watched them make fun of, or beat the fuck out of WS types.I don’t know if things have changed since I’ve been a peripheral guy around that crew but yeah that was not something that was tolerated.


I vaguely remember something along those lines. I also remember them taking a firm stance against Kusabs when he was sentenced for possession and distribution of child pornography. So I guess they are also clean on that kind of shitty behavior too. Not that there is a direct connection between the two, but sometimes people with extreme views are weirdly tolerant of shit like this (like that Inquisition dude)


Oh god, what's Dagon from Inquisition done? Is he sketchy too? This is getting out of hand, my record collection is in jeopardy.

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MegaMal
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:42 am 
 

Varcolac wrote:
HeavenDuff wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
I think you guys are not really aware of how zero tolerance those Blasphemy dudes are about white supremacists. I’ve personally watched them make fun of, or beat the fuck out of WS types.I don’t know if things have changed since I’ve been a peripheral guy around that crew but yeah that was not something that was tolerated.


I vaguely remember something along those lines. I also remember them taking a firm stance against Kusabs when he was sentenced for possession and distribution of child pornography. So I guess they are also clean on that kind of shitty behavior too. Not that there is a direct connection between the two, but sometimes people with extreme views are weirdly tolerant of shit like this (like that Inquisition dude)


Oh god, what's Dagon from Inquisition done? Is he sketchy too? This is getting out of hand, my record collection is in jeopardy.

Busted for child porn and is a racist.

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jose_G
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:02 am 
 

ohhh again....

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Varcolac
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:34 pm 
 

I vaguely remember something along those lines. I also remember them taking a firm stance against Kusabs when he was sentenced for possession and distribution of child pornography. So I guess they are also clean on that kind of shitty behavior too. Not that there is a direct connection between the two, but sometimes people with extreme views are weirdly tolerant of shit like this (like that Inquisition dude)[/quote]

Oh god, what's Dagon from Inquisition done? Is he sketchy too? This is getting out of hand, my record collection is in jeopardy.[/quote]
Busted for child porn and is a racist.[/quote]

OH FFS! They're one of my favourites too. What a twat.

Anyone want to buy a load of old Inquisition records?

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bastardpig
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:23 pm 
 

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:32 pm 
 

jose_G wrote:
ohhh again....


Nothing forces you to click on these threads. Fuck right off with this bs.

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Varcolac
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:54 pm 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
jose_G wrote:
ohhh again....


Nothing forces you to click on these threads. Fuck right off with this bs.


Thanks mate, i've had enough of far right wankers trying to dismiss objections against their bullshit in metal. They're not welcome.

Here's a story for you, years ago at a Revenge gig in London there were some eastern european guys in the crowd sieg heiling away and when somebody shouted "put your fucking hands down" they did. Just like that. They know they're not welcome.

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Bishop_Drugsalot
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 4:15 pm 
 

I just find it hilarious that Inquisition being sketchy as fuck comes as a surprise to someone in the year of 2022

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HeavenDuff
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 4:37 pm 
 

Bishop_Drugsalot wrote:
I just find it hilarious that Inquisition being sketchy as fuck comes as a surprise to someone in the year of 2022


Well, some people don't really keep up with what musicians they like are doing outside of their music. Which is understandable. The only reason why I know any of this is because of MA's forum. And since I was never a big fan of the band, like I only discovered them because of la Messe des morts in Montréal, something like 10 years ago, I listened to their album Magnificent Glorification of Lucifer, which I enjoyed to a certain extent, and I probably would not have dug any deeper.

So if you don't look for this kind of info, or if you don't hangout on forums like MA, chances are you never heard of Dagon's trial and the racism stuff.

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Varcolac
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:38 pm 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
Bishop_Drugsalot wrote:
I just find it hilarious that Inquisition being sketchy as fuck comes as a surprise to someone in the year of 2022


Well, some people don't really keep up with what musicians they like are doing outside of their music. Which is understandable. The only reason why I know any of this is because of MA's forum. And since I was never a big fan of the band, like I only discovered them because of la Messe des morts in Montréal, something like 10 years ago, I listened to their album Magnificent Glorification of Lucifer, which I enjoyed to a certain extent, and I probably would not have dug any deeper.

So if you don't look for this kind of info, or if you don't hangout on forums like MA, chances are you never heard of Dagon's trial and the racism stuff.


Yep, that's me. I'm 47 years old, been listening to metal since Blood Fire Death came out. Doesn't mean I know everything though. Happy I've been oblivious to this shit until now.

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lennonlikesmetal
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:51 pm 
 

Inquisition have a great discography, and Dagon is a riff wizard.

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Bishop_Drugsalot
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:54 am 
 

HeavenDuff wrote:
Bishop_Drugsalot wrote:
I just find it hilarious that Inquisition being sketchy as fuck comes as a surprise to someone in the year of 2022


Well, some people don't really keep up with what musicians they like are doing outside of their music. Which is understandable. The only reason why I know any of this is because of MA's forum. And since I was never a big fan of the band, like I only discovered them because of la Messe des morts in Montréal, something like 10 years ago, I listened to their album Magnificent Glorification of Lucifer, which I enjoyed to a certain extent, and I probably would not have dug any deeper.

So if you don't look for this kind of info, or if you don't hangout on forums like MA, chances are you never heard of Dagon's trial and the racism stuff.

Yeah sure, I get that. But the whole ordeal was pretty widely reported and if you're at all concerned about the stuff you're consuming, chances are this is the first thing that pops up.

Frankly I'm a bit surprised that it took this child porn case for Dagon to get rejected by the public as his 88MM solo band with appearances in Anti-Semetic Terror compilation and songs like "14 Showerheads, 1 Gas Tight Door" are almost two decades old.

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jose_G
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:56 am 
 

lennonlikesmetal wrote:
Inquisition have a great discography, and Dagon is a riff wizard.

Agree
one of my fav black metal bands...

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Inspector_Satan
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 3:02 pm 
 

cultofkraken wrote:
I think you guys are not really aware of how zero tolerance those Blasphemy dudes are about white supremacists. I’ve personally watched them make fun of, or beat the fuck out of WS types.I don’t know if things have changed since I’ve been a peripheral guy around that crew but yeah that was not something that was tolerated.


I'm not from the area but I always heard that they were pretty open in mocking nazi skins.

As for Revenge, here's a clip from a Sacramentary Abolishment interview where Vermin has a predictably shit hot take on Blasphemy. This is obviously old, perhaps things have changed since.
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BLASPHEMY once was the most popular Canadian BM (I prefer to call them as «primitive grind», though) band, and (if I’m not mistaken) their lineup included a nigger, playing guitar... What do you think of this fact? Isn’t black metal a kind of music, meant only for the White Men?

- I can assure you, that you are not the only one somewhat confused by this fact. If I am not mistaken (and I could be, as it is only a rumor), the nigger is now a rapper and sells crack-cocaine from his ‘gangster car’. Anyway, who cares... he is just a fuck. Black metal is strictly a white man’s realm, as far as I am concerned. Elite music for the elite society. Simple.

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Varcolac
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:13 am 
 

Inspector_Satan wrote:
cultofkraken wrote:
I think you guys are not really aware of how zero tolerance those Blasphemy dudes are about white supremacists. I’ve personally watched them make fun of, or beat the fuck out of WS types.I don’t know if things have changed since I’ve been a peripheral guy around that crew but yeah that was not something that was tolerated.


I'm not from the area but I always heard that they were pretty open in mocking nazi skins.

As for Revenge, here's a clip from a Sacramentary Abolishment interview where Vermin has a predictably shit hot take on Blasphemy. This is obviously old, perhaps things have changed since.
Spoiler: show
BLASPHEMY once was the most popular Canadian BM (I prefer to call them as «primitive grind», though) band, and (if I’m not mistaken) their lineup included a nigger, playing guitar... What do you think of this fact? Isn’t black metal a kind of music, meant only for the White Men?

- I can assure you, that you are not the only one somewhat confused by this fact. If I am not mistaken (and I could be, as it is only a rumor), the nigger is now a rapper and sells crack-cocaine from his ‘gangster car’. Anyway, who cares... he is just a fuck. Black metal is strictly a white man’s realm, as far as I am concerned. Elite music for the elite society. Simple.


Oh dear. How have they shared a stage since without Caller knocking this moron out? Vermin must have done some serious grovelling. Not so Superion now.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:26 am 
 

I think Revenge is one of those bands that really blurs the line between ideology and image to the point where the image is the ideology. Their themes of triumph over the weak and genocide of the unworthy and whatnot seems to me like just pure edginess and the appropriation of fashy-like aesthetics is just there to fit the music.

I have no doubt that J. Read and R. Forester are intolerable edgelords in person (if you want to know what I mean, check out R.'s interview on Death Worship), but their music is great and they don't come off as sincere political agents to me.
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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:44 pm 
 

I've heard from somebody who knows Ryan fairly well that he's actually the softie of the band.

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Varcolac
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:43 pm 
 

tomcat_ha wrote:
I've heard from somebody who knows Ryan fairly well that he's actually the softie of the band.


I met Ryan once and he was very nice in person. Actually I met James too but that was literally to say hi to real quick.
Regardless, it's interesting to look at the fascist-seeming image could be just that - something to go with the extremity of the music. I'd love to believe that but the By Force Propaganda merch James puts out is so close to the bone that most will believe there's no smoke without fire.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:23 pm 
 

The lyrics to Banner Degradation:

"I don't care about your feeble weak cunt brotherhood
You are all maggots living in an animal's shit
Rats crawling around in defective subhuman vomit
Cockroach truth put to death."

I think the song title and lyrics allude to NS and their followers. Probably answers questions about their stance

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cultofkraken
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:06 pm 
 

jackies_eclaire wrote:
I think Revenge is one of those bands that really blurs the line between ideology and image to the point where the image is the ideology. Their themes of triumph over the weak and genocide of the unworthy and whatnot seems to me like just pure edginess and the appropriation of fashy-like aesthetics is just there to fit the music.

I have no doubt that J. Read and R. Forester are intolerable edgelords in person (if you want to know what I mean, check out R.'s interview on Death Worship), but their music is great and they don't come off as sincere political agents to me.


Actually Ryan’s super nice. I remember buying some records from him back in the day. Pretty soft spoken.
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