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Author:  Eternal Unity [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:41 am ]
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10/10

Wicked good! All tracks are winners.

Author:  KaiKasparek [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:55 am ]
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Wish they became a known entity in the band back then rather than crappy Once. Walking In The Air totally could have been a crossover hit similar to Beth.

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 9:05 am ]
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Once is cool. Not perfect, in my opinion. I like Walking in the Air. Productionwise (dunno if Tuomas was the one in '98 - as a songwriter I place him among the very best in metal).

Author:  LycanthropeMoon [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:35 pm ]
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I quite like "Once", but it's also my gateway metal album. That being said I don't think it's just nostalgia goggles - it also has really solid songwriting and some great hooks. I also like about half of "Dark Passion Play" and think "Imaginaerum" is pretty damn good - sorry folks! lol. "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" wasn't too great despite having an incredible singer (Floor Jansen) join up, though "Human Nature" is pretty nice. I think I like that album even better after seeing the songs live back in May, actually... especially "Shoemaker", beautiful song. Anyway...

"Oceanborn" is an absolute masterpiece. One of the greatest power metal albums of all time, in my opinion. The interplay between the guitar and keyboards is great, Tarja's voice has this nice and warm tone to it that I really like, and it has a truly mystical atmosphere about it. It's definitely my favorite NW album these days, followed closely by "Century Child".

Author:  Twisted_Psychology [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:42 pm ]
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Once was my first Nightwish album and I remember being absolutely blown away by how massive it sounded. Then I heard Oceanborn and was even more impressed by how they were able to make a sound that felt just as huge with fewer components. Oceanborn is a perfect album in my eyes.

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:21 pm ]
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LycanthropeMoon wrote:
I quite like "Once", but it's also my gateway metal album. That being said I don't think it's just nostalgia goggles - it also has really solid songwriting and some great hooks. I also like about half of "Dark Passion Play" and think "Imaginaerum" is pretty damn good - sorry folks! lol. "Endless Forms Most Beautiful" wasn't too great despite having an incredible singer (Floor Jansen) join up, though "Human Nature" is pretty nice. I think I like that album even better after seeing the songs live back in May, actually... especially "Shoemaker", beautiful song. Anyway...

"Oceanborn" is an absolute masterpiece. One of the greatest power metal albums of all time, in my opinion. The interplay between the guitar and keyboards is great, Tarja's voice has this nice and warm tone to it that I really like, and it has a truly mystical atmosphere about it. It's definitely my favorite NW album these days, followed closely by "Century Child".


Extensive knowledge, Nice work! Big like! Floor Jensen is Goddess. I can honestly say I'm in love. Not just her voice and being a musical genius - She's also a fantastic person. She knows she's the best but still she is humble and kind. Not to mention her triumph over cancer.

Nightwish New Era - well, it is known that age plays a factor,,, they can't release an album every 2 years... I have most of their material. Century Child least favorite.

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:22 pm ]
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Twisted_Psychology wrote:
Oceanborn is a perfect album in my eyes.

Agreed!

Author:  Zelkiiro [ Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:40 pm ]
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While I really like most of what Nightwish has done post-Once, that early era is just unmatched in quality and atmosphere.

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Wed Jan 25, 2023 8:33 am ]
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Zelkiiro wrote:
While I really like most of what Nightwish has done post-Once, that early era is just unmatched in quality and atmosphere.


Early Within Temptation?

Author:  Zelkiiro [ Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:29 am ]
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Eternal Unity wrote:
Zelkiiro wrote:
While I really like most of what Nightwish has done post-Once, that early era is just unmatched in quality and atmosphere.


Early Within Temptation?

A real fuckin' strong competition, that's for sure, but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to choose between Oceanborn and Mother Earth, I'd choose both and get my brains blown out have to go with Oceanborn.

Author:  LycanthropeMoon [ Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:50 am ]
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Early Within Temptation is pretty great. Hell, I like everything they did up to/including "The Unforgiving", then they lost me with "Hydra" and seem to keep getting worse.

The closest thing to "Oceanborn" era NW in terms of atmosphere and feel, to me, is the "Arcana" album by Edenbridge. I think it's a pretty good album.

Author:  morbert [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:11 am ]
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Eternal Unity wrote:
10/10
Oceanborn
Wicked good! All tracks are winners.



Their finest ablum i.m.h.o. Wishmaster was also a decent follow up.
After that they just lost me more and more with each album

Author:  morbert [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 3:12 am ]
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LycanthropeMoon wrote:
Early Within Temptation is pretty great.

Guess you never saw early WT live then hahaha. Godawfully bad vocals

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:19 am ]
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LycanthropeMoon wrote:
Early Within Temptation is pretty great. Hell, I like everything they did up to/including "The Unforgiving", then they lost me with "Hydra" and seem to keep getting worse.

The closest thing to "Oceanborn" era NW in terms of atmosphere and feel, to me, is the "Arcana" album by Edenbridge. I think it's a pretty good album.


If you were a girl and 40 years younger, I'd ask you to marry me lol
Edenbridge are incredible! Nice Catch!

Author:  CannibalCorpse [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:00 am ]
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I had "Wishmaster" as my favourite NW album in mind but after revisiting both "Oceanborn" and said album, I found "Oceanborn" to be superior in about every aspect, especially in RIFFS and actual heavy metal.

Thanks to your topic here, I'm currently rediscovering "Century Child" to see how that one held up. I know that they started a way of sucking around "Once" at the latest.

EDIT: Yeah, I prefer "Century Child" over "Wishmaster" because the quality is much more evenly spread. Maybe the highs are not quite as high (the title track) but there's a lot less filler on here and I like the addition of Hietala's distorted, audible bass and gruff vocals.

Author:  KaiKasparek [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:45 am ]
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Wishmaster has some great songs like the title track, Fantasmic, and the absolutely lethal Crownless (next time some chud says Nightwish aren't real metal, you show them Crownless), but it also has some filler too, like Bare Grace Misery and even Kinslayer doesn't hold up that well. And friggin Dead Boys Poem. Before Ghost Love Score that was their most overrated song ever.

Author:  Metallic Shock [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:39 am ]
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Oceanborn is a 5/5 album for me, definitely one of the most influential albums on my music taste (first got it when I was about 13 or so). It really excels at that otherworldly atmosphere and manages to have a lot of sick riffs and energetic parts in and amongst the grandiose symphonic focus. There aren't any Nightwish albums I consider truly bad, but I do hope to see them implement some of that vibe again eventually. It was awesome seeing them on the 2015 and 2018 tours and getting to hear a pretty solid collection of Oceanborn songs live (Stargazers, Gethsemane, Devil & the Deep Dark Ocean, Sacrament of Wilderness, and Sleeping Sun at least). I really thought all that old school revisiting might inspire a touch of those vibes for Human Nature but evidently it didn't, so we'll see how this next one turns out.

Edenbridge are a good shout for a similar feel, though I prefer Sunrise in Eden over Arcana and haven't really explored anything for them past Aphelion.

Author:  KaiKasparek [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:58 am ]
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Metallic Shock wrote:
I really thought all that old school revisiting might inspire a touch of those vibes for Human Nature but evidently it didn't, so we'll see how this next one turns out.


If the Decades tour didn't make Human Nature return to the Oceanborn sound, nothing will. Frankly I don't think they'll make something like that again as long as Troy is in the band.

Author:  yungstirjoey666 [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 1:06 pm ]
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Oceanborn is an amazing pm classic. My sister purchased that CD for me in the thrift store for like 99 cents.

I like a good amount of Nightwish's new stuff, but they sometimes feel more like film scores than metal, though I prefer Floor's versatile vocals over Tarja (I still think Tarja is great though; not interested in rivalry debates).

Author:  funeralravens [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 4:11 pm ]
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When I first heard Nightwish, specifically Oceanborn, Wishmaster and Century Child, I was blown away. They became my favourite band for some time, albeit briefly. I didn't like Once even back then, though. I thought Tarja's vocals weren't as great, and the songwriting was worse and less metal.

Author:  traxan [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:01 pm ]
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I really wish Tarja never went to opera school. I much prefer her singing on Oceanborn and AFF.

Author:  LycanthropeMoon [ Thu Jan 26, 2023 7:40 pm ]
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yungstirjoey666 wrote:
Oceanborn is an amazing pm classic. My sister purchased that CD for me in the thrift store for like 99 cents.

I like a good amount of Nightwish's new stuff, but they usually feel more like film scores than metal, though I prefer Floor's versatile vocals over Tarja (I still think Tarja is great though; not interested in rivalry debates).

Floor is the best vocalist they've had so far, and they've greatly underutilized her in studio. "Showtime Storytime" is incredible and easily my favorite of their live releases - I also drove 14 hours to LA to see them back in May and it was worth it. I just hope that on their next album, they (and by "they" I actually mean Tuomas Holopainen of course) let her flex her vocal muscle more.

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:09 am ]
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CannibalCorpse wrote:
I had "Wishmaster" as my favourite NW album in mind but after revisiting both "Oceanborn" and said album, I found "Oceanborn" to be superior in about every aspect, especially in RIFFS and actual heavy metal.

Thanks to your topic here, I'm currently rediscovering "Century Child" to see how that one held up. I know that they started a way of sucking around "Once" at the latest.

EDIT: Yeah, I prefer "Century Child" over "Wishmaster" because the quality is much more evenly spread. Maybe the highs are not quite as high (the title track) but there's a lot less filler on here and I like the addition of Hietala's distorted, audible bass and gruff vocals.


Favorite from Century Child is End Of All Hope

Wishmaster is, for lack of a better word... well... masterful. The Kinslayer is very enigmatic, playingwise and the entire construction of the song...Tarja's vocals, lyrically, as well.
Good songs that i'll include are - Crownless, FantasMic and the title track. She Is My Sin is a fair opening, in my humble opinion.

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:12 am ]
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KaiKasparek wrote:
Ghost Love Score that was their most overrated song ever.


Respectfully disagree. I loved it :)

Author:  Eternal Unity [ Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:26 am ]
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Metallic Shock wrote:
Oceanborn is a 5/5 album for me, definitely one of the most influential albums on my music taste (first got it when I was about 13 or so). It really excels at that otherworldly atmosphere and manages to have a lot of sick riffs and energetic parts in and amongst the grandiose symphonic focus. There aren't any Nightwish albums I consider truly bad, but I do hope to see them implement some of that vibe again eventually. It was awesome seeing them on the 2015 and 2018 tours and getting to hear a pretty solid collection of Oceanborn songs live (Stargazers, Gethsemane, Devil & the Deep Dark Ocean, Sacrament of Wilderness, and Sleeping Sun at least). I really thought all that old school revisiting might inspire a touch of those vibes for Human Nature but evidently it didn't, so we'll see how this next one turns out.

Edenbridge are a good shout for a similar feel, though I prefer Sunrise in Eden over Arcana and haven't really explored anything for them past Aphelion.


I sense a deep devotion to this genre, Namaste! Sunrise In Eden is godlike. Truly. What's next for Nightwish? How about this:

In April 2021, Holopainen had said in an interview that he has already started sketching drafts for the next Nightwish album. He stated in May 2021 that he had been working on new material for "the past month or two" while he was busy with his side projects Auri and the reunited Darkwoods My Betrothed in which he became a full-time member. He confirmed that the band booked a studio for the next album, which is set to happen in 2023. On March 2, 2022, it was confirmed that Holopainen was in the studio, writing demos for the next Nightwish album, which were later finished in June 2022. Jansen, who is also working on a solo album to be released in 2023, stated on June 10, 2022 that the sound of the upcoming new album will be put in a heavier direction, but will not lose the band's sound while she also wanted to keep the concept for the album a secret. Holopainen confirmed in an interview before the band's performance at Knotfest in Turku, Finland on August 12, 2022, that the band had listened to the demos. Holopainen later confirmed that the next album will be both a follow-up to Human. :II: Nature. and both the third and final part of a trilogy which was started from Endless Forms Most Beautiful, as well as stating that the album will come out around early 2024.

Author:  CannibalCorpse [ Fri Jan 27, 2023 11:52 am ]
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Eternal Unity wrote:
Wishmaster is, for lack of a better word... well... masterful. The Kinslayer is very enigmatic, playingwise and the entire construction of the song...Tarja's vocals, lyrically, as well.
Good songs that i'll include are - Crownless, FantasMic and the title track. She Is My Sin is a fair opening, in my humble opinion.


I agree with Wishmaster/Crownless and maybe Kinslayer/She Is My Sin but nothing else off there left any desire to revisit the album in my ears.

Author:  LycanthropeMoon [ Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:10 pm ]
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"Crownless" is actually one of my favorite Nightwish songs of all time and it doesn't get nearly as much love as it deserves.

Author:  KaiKasparek [ Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:27 pm ]
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Crownless is by far the best song Nightwish ever made. It comes in out of nowhere and cracks your skull for four and a half minutes. Something I wish Nightwish did more of.

Author:  deadtome [ Mon Aug 28, 2023 6:47 pm ]
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LV this record

Author:  ChildClownOutlet [ Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:29 pm ]
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Still wish Wanderlust didn't have the awful ending

Author:  FLIPPITYFLOOP [ Mon Aug 28, 2023 10:51 pm ]
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I never thought I'd ever like Nightwish, let alone buy a record if theirs, until my former bandmate played me Walking In The Air. Absolutely beautiful cover, and the rest of Oceanborn admittedly won me over and I now have the CD. It's pretty "out there" songwriting-wise, but in a good way, and is a captivating listen from beginning to end.

Wishmaster is decent too, though I noticed the tracks becoming same-y and blending together as it went on. Not as good as Oceanborn, but decent.

Can't get into the rest.

Author:  morbert [ Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:04 am ]
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Their best. Easily,
Wishmaster was also okay with a few great standout tracks.

Then Hietala joined and that godawful Century Child ruined it for me.
I never got into them again

Author:  Demon Fang [ Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:49 am ]
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morbert wrote:
Their best. Easily,
Wishmaster was also okay with a few great standout tracks.

Then Hietala joined and that godawful Century Child ruined it for me.
I never got into them again

I like Hietala's vocals but yeah, Century Child just leaves an odd taste in my mouth to this day. Which is still better than most of what came out after since they're varying shades of boring outside of maybe one or two songs, though I remember not minding Once. I dunno, it's been too long since I listened to that one. But yeah, Oceanborn and Wishmaster are where it's at.

Author:  Benedict Donald [ Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:57 pm ]
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The first Nightwish I ever heard back in the 90s and probably still my fav, but Century Child isn't far behind.
They're not a band I listen to often, but these are the two I always reach for when the itch hits.

Author:  Slater922 [ Tue Aug 29, 2023 9:40 pm ]
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LycanthropeMoon wrote:
Early Within Temptation is pretty great. Hell, I like everything they did up to/including "The Unforgiving", then they lost me with "Hydra" and seem to keep getting worse.

The closest thing to "Oceanborn" era NW in terms of atmosphere and feel, to me, is the "Arcana" album by Edenbridge. I think it's a pretty good album.

Apologies for the very late response, but since this thread's being revived, I figured I'd throw in my two cents and agree with this comparison. Arcana is also my personal favorite album from Edenbridge, so that definitely does help.

Author:  Dullahan [ Tue Aug 29, 2023 11:51 pm ]
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Superb album, and the superior one compared to Wishmaster. The latter is also great, but there are not nearly as many moments as the main riff of "Devil and the Deep Dark Ocean". Come to think of it, your comments on Once remind me of how it was considered - by veteran Nightwish fans - to be a big step down in terms of guitar playing. Man, we didn't know what was coming, did we?

I wish I could meet Emppu Vuorinen someday, give the guy a hug and say "Brother, you're cool, but remember when you used to write riffs like these?"


Author:  deadtome [ Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:28 pm ]
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You guys are spot fawking on \m/

Author:  deadtome [ Wed Aug 30, 2023 8:50 pm ]
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Gethsemane is a fawking classic fawking song gat damn, that riff is priceless \m/

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