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| Author: | Abominatrix [ Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
Vincent always seemed "sketchy" with that stuff. I don't know when it all started but it was a long time ago. Even on the Domination tour when i saw them for the first time there was something of a WP skin contingent (not a usual thing) and they seemed to think he was "one of them". There was also that incident where he attempted to hand Lemmy some WP literature and his reaction was pretty decisive and it may have been related to mA getting kicked off that tour. Anyway, I [i]am/i] surprised that Terrorizer would want to involve themselves with such a blatantly horrible character, actually. not because Sandoval is Hispanic (that doesn't seem a hurdle for many actually), but because Terrorizer always seemed to me to kind of stand for the opposite thing. Oh well. |
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| Author: | CoconutBackwards [ Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
HeavenDuff wrote: morbert wrote: Just wondering, why do Noth Americans so often seem to try to put everybody in either 'leftist' or 'rightist' boxes? Don't you have a middle ground majority there or something? I am just curious. Centrism doesn't really exist, no. Centrism is just soft right. And yeah, sure the political landscape is a bit more complex then "left-right", but in that case it seems pretty cut and try. The way he expressed himself clearly indicates he's a reactionary/conservative. Who else lacks that much common sense that they would think it makes sense to compare calling out a racist piece of shit with the inquisition?
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| Author: | HeavenDuff [ Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
Abominatrix wrote: Vincent always seemed "sketchy" with that stuff. I don't know when it all started but it was a long time ago. Even on the Domination tour when i saw them for the first time there was something of a WP skin contingent (not a usual thing) and they seemed to think he was "one of them". There was also that incident where he attempted to hand Lemmy some WP literature and his reaction was pretty decisive and it may have been related to mA getting kicked off that tour. Eh... that's not looking great... Abominatrix wrote: Anyway, I [i]am/i] surprised that Terrorizer would want to involve themselves with such a blatantly horrible character, actually. not because Sandoval is Hispanic (that doesn't seem a hurdle for many actually), but because Terrorizer always seemed to me to kind of stand for the opposite thing. Oh well. Yeah, that's also how it felt to me. Listening to World Downfall, it seems to fall in line with the rest of the grindcore scene of that time, being more left-wing and all. But maybe Sandoval never cared much for the lyrics and stuff, and now he's just recruting "good" musicians to play the music, without much care for the lyrics. |
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| Author: | Abominatrix [ Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
That's probably the case, yeah. Also people do change over time and sometimes that means being more sensitive about such things, or sometimes less. Funny that it coincides with his "born again" status though. |
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| Author: | HeavenDuff [ Tue Aug 15, 2023 1:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
Abominatrix wrote: That's probably the case, yeah. Also people do change over time and sometimes that means being more sensitive about such things, or sometimes less. Funny that it coincides with his "born again" status though. Yeah... the guy who didn't want to play in Morbid Angel anymore because of the "Satanic themes", hires an actual white supremacist to play in his band. SMH. |
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| Author: | morbert [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 1:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
HeavenDuff wrote: Yeah, I'm standing up against a literal white supremacist because people in NA are polarized. Of course. Thanks for the great political science 101 lesson. Edit: Also, it's quite funny that you decided to make this about NA. Your comment sounds like something you wrote about the US, before realizing that I live in Montreal. You do realize that we have a wide range of political parties here and that the political culture isn't the same as in the US, right? Thanks for all the cynicism and for some reason making it personal. Have a nice day |
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| Author: | Ukrajijajajana [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
So wait, os Terrorizer finished? Or not? Or were they finished for 5 minutes? |
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| Author: | Ukrajijajajana [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
HeavenDuff wrote: StarshipTrooper wrote: Oh boy, again with this inquisition shit. His opinions are crap and stupid, but you talk like he's some kind of serial killer. I like how righties always use names of historical events where minority groups and oppressed people got burned alive, tortured, mutilated and jailed when talking about some dicks getting mildly crititicized online. Wait hold on... the guy can't use a metaphor unless he runs it by everyone else? Of course its hyperbole. Have you ever read a book? |
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| Author: | Ukrajijajajana [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
HeavenDuff wrote: morbert wrote: Just wondering, why do Noth Americans so often seem to try to put everybody in either 'leftist' or 'rightist' boxes? Don't you have a middle ground majority there or something? I am just curious. Centrism doesn't really exist, no. I'll agree with you here. People are either center-right or center-left for sure. I suppose the question is, is it true that for those on either of the peripheries, being center-opposite is the same as far-opposite? |
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| Author: | Ukrajijajajana [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
Abominatrix wrote: Vincent always seemed "sketchy" with that stuff. I don't know when it all started but it was a long time ago. Even on the Domination tour when i saw them for the first time there was something of a WP skin contingent (not a usual thing) and they seemed to think he was "one of them". There was also that incident where he attempted to hand Lemmy some WP literature and his reaction was pretty decisive and it may have been related to mA getting kicked off that tour. Anyway, I [i]am/i] surprised that Terrorizer would want to involve themselves with such a blatantly horrible character, actually. not because Sandoval is Hispanic (that doesn't seem a hurdle for many actually), but because Terrorizer always seemed to me to kind of stand for the opposite thing. Oh well. I haven't heard of any that personally, that's a first one for me, but you're probably well informed so I will concede that to you. However, I will concede with you one more thing.... I always felt that Domination was one of the first dog-whistle albums in the scene, entirely because of Vincent's lyrics. I'm kind of surprised that ja never came back to haunt him during his Genitorturers years |
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| Author: | Frank Booth [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
It didn't come back to bite Evil D when he was in Genitorturers because plenty of their fans were sus themselves. |
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| Author: | HeavenDuff [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
Ukrajijajajana wrote: HeavenDuff wrote: StarshipTrooper wrote: Oh boy, again with this inquisition shit. His opinions are crap and stupid, but you talk like he's some kind of serial killer. I like how righties always use names of historical events where minority groups and oppressed people got burned alive, tortured, mutilated and jailed when talking about some dicks getting mildly crititicized online. Wait hold on... the guy can't use a metaphor unless he runs it by everyone else? Of course its hyperbole. Have you ever read a book? Thing is, these "hyperboles" are always used to defend people who aren't victims, but rather the aggressor. A guy who goes around distributing flyers saying we shouldn't care about the life of a little black girl, and who has white supremacist tattoos, is not a victim. Especially not a victim of any form of inquisition. It's a shitty hyperbole, because these people have never suffered of anything close to what the inquisition did to people. Oh, and yes, I've read many books. Namely books that explain this strategy that conservatives and reactionaries have of always using real life historical events where real victimized and oppressed groups were tortured, killed, executed, to cry and bitch when some random piece of shit white guy gets called out for being a racist piece of shit. Comparing two things that have basically nothing in common with and "hyperbole" shows that you probably should follow your own advice and pick up a book. |
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| Author: | joppek [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 3:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
i for one read that comment as using the general word inquisition, rather than referring to the inquisition |
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| Author: | HeavenDuff [ Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
Regardless, the word was used to try and shield a literal white supremacist from well deserved pushback. Not very glorious either way. |
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| Author: | draconiondevil [ Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
joppek wrote: i for one read that comment as using the general word inquisition, rather than referring to the inquisition lol I thought he meant the band and was very confused. |
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| Author: | werewolfgraveyard [ Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
CoconutBackwards wrote: HeavenDuff wrote: morbert wrote: Just wondering, why do Noth Americans so often seem to try to put everybody in either 'leftist' or 'rightist' boxes? Don't you have a middle ground majority there or something? I am just curious. Centrism doesn't really exist, no. Centrism is just soft right. And yeah, sure the political landscape is a bit more complex then "left-right", but in that case it seems pretty cut and try. The way he expressed himself clearly indicates he's a reactionary/conservative. Who else lacks that much common sense that they would think it makes sense to compare calling out a racist piece of shit with the inquisition? ![]() they're literally right though. |
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| Author: | Crossover_Kid [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Terrorizer officially over |
Subrick wrote: Oh joy, the vocalist is fucking Brian Werner, former Vital Remains singer and disgusting racist. https://archive.jsonline.com/news/milwa ... 16081.html And just like that...
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