He has some anger issues for sure

There is no room for complacency, you are right. However, I don't think that taking the "You're either 100% with us or you're against us" approach is the way to go. I also think it might even be counter-productive, as I explained it before.

I recently converted to Christianity, and ditched all extreme metal overnight. Roughly 95% of black metal, 80% of death metal, and 60% of thrash would be incompatible with my beliefs, but I decided it's not worth it to sift through, and ditched it all as a sort of "offering" to God, to exercise restraint from worldly things, and stick to what is true and beautiful (the vocals are the big differentiator here), and so that I could keep listening to non extreme metal, which is still kind of questionable upon closer look tbh. I still struggle with my own hypocrisy and make some exceptions in borderline cases, for instance I still listen to progressive thrash like Voivod and Coroner, but metal is very important in my life and part of who I am.

A post like this, showing up on a forum like this, smells of trolling to me. And if it's not: why would you give up having fun with the music you love right now in the moment because of a theoretical spiritual fulfillment?

it's not like I suddenly became a nun overnight.

I recently converted to Christianity, and ditched all extreme metal overnight.

I am unable to take you seriously

How does ditching extreme metal overnight = becoming a nun overnight?
Maybe I'm not being clear, but by nun I mean someone strictly following the church teachings and who would be shocked at the blasmephemous stuff (but what do I know, maybe nuns are actually resilient, I'm just going by stereotypes).
I know the stuff that I will be seeing here if I click on the wrong threads, that just comes with the teritory of being into metal these days.

Christianity [...] beautiful (the vocals are the big differentiator here)

Or was it only mentioned in the context of the vocals? (i.e. "clean vocals are beautiful and harsh vocals aren't?") Well, there are both extreme metal albums with clean vocals and traditional metal albums where the vocals can sound quite harsh, so it doesn't matter anyway.

I am atheistic and my views on it are not going to change at all, but at the same time I am a doom metal fan and, after years of listening to this subgenre of metal music, I now have a bit of tolerance for Christian themes/imagery and for people who are into Christianity in general (I wrote about it on MA in this thread - viewtopic.php?f=1&t=128961).

I recently converted to Christianity, and ditched all extreme metal overnight. Roughly 95% of black metal, 80% of death metal, and 60% of thrash would be incompatible with my beliefs, but I decided it's not worth it to sift through, and ditched it all as a sort of "offering" to God, to exercise restraint from worldly things, and stick to what is true and beautiful (the vocals are the big differentiator here), and so that I could keep listening to non extreme metal, which is still kind of questionable upon closer look tbh. I still struggle with my own hypocrisy and make some exceptions in borderline cases, for instance I still listen to progressive thrash like Voivod and Coroner, but metal is very important in my life and part of who I am.

Extreme metal can be beautiful - people can find beauty in intensity of the music, in its chaotic state ("beauty in chaos"), etc. - and I'm sure many of those people can also draw some parallels with an intensity in nature and to be in awe of it (for example, a huge waterfall where the water descends from a great height can be very intense, loud, noisy,.. and beautiful/sometimes frighteningly beautiful; or it may be associations with intense snowstorms if you're listening to Paysage d'Hiver's s/t ). And the ability to perceive this beauty by someone should not depend on whether this person is religious or not.

I think that's an uncommon thing to have happen, but I doubt you're alone. There are a few Christian posters here. I can't quite count myself among them, but I occasionally flirt with the idea of seeking out a church or some kind of religious/spiritual group, and in any case, I am in a slow, ongoing process of exploring and reevaluating where I stand re. "God, the universe, and everything." We can chat about that stuff in one of the appropriate threads in The Tavern, if you want. I'm always interested to see where other people are on that.

"Blacklisting people for slightly diverging from our ideals" sounds an awful lot like you're willing to excuse skeptical or less-than-supportive stances on queerness as a harmless "difference of opinion". Which it is not in the slightest.

I recently converted to Christianity, and ditched all extreme metal overnight. Roughly 95% of black metal, 80% of death metal, and 60% of thrash would be incompatible with my beliefs, but I decided it's not worth it to sift through, and ditched it all as a sort of "offering" to God, to exercise restraint from worldly things, and stick to what is true and beautiful (the vocals are the big differentiator here), and so that I could keep listening to non extreme metal, which is still kind of questionable upon closer look tbh. I still struggle with my own hypocrisy and make some exceptions in borderline cases, for instance I still listen to progressive thrash like Voivod and Coroner, but metal is very important in my life and part of who I am.
I do background checks on bands that I discover, and recently I had to drop Pharaoh. I was blown away by The Longest Night, but I just can't listen to stuff where half the members are involved in something like superchrist.

I recently converted to Christianity, and ditched all extreme metal overnight. Roughly 95% of black metal, 80% of death metal, and 60% of thrash would be incompatible with my beliefs, but I decided it's not worth it to sift through, and ditched it all as a sort of "offering" to God, to exercise restraint from worldly things, and stick to what is true and beautiful (the vocals are the big differentiator here), and so that I could keep listening to non extreme metal, which is still kind of questionable upon closer look tbh. I still struggle with my own hypocrisy and make some exceptions in borderline cases, for instance I still listen to progressive thrash like Voivod and Coroner, but metal is very important in my life and part of who I am.
I do background checks on bands that I discover, and recently I had to drop Pharaoh. I was blown away by The Longest Night, but I just can't listen to stuff where half the members are involved in something like superchrist.

This entire post bends and twists this thread and derails it into a direction that's basically unrelated to my original post. You're not writing off these entire genres because of the musicians involved, you're writting them off because you perceive them as incompatible with your personnal religious views and extremely narrow interpretation of Christianism.

To further demonstrate my point: You basically admitted to writting off entire subgenres because there is a relatively important amount of Satanic and/or anti-theistic black metal.

However, you're also writting off bands who have absolutely nothing to do with theism whatsoever. So, very clearly, you're not writting these bands off because of the musicians involved.

Also, it makes zero sense that you would have to write off bands like Voivod. The guys in the band are great people. Not only that, but their music has nothing to do with religion.

I prefer to be on the safe side, for my conscience. After all, the only cover they decided to immortalize on their live album is in league with satan. Also there is a Celtic Frost connection that I do not know much about, but I wonder why Tom G Warrior was fond of them, is it just for the music, or something more, that was talked about backstage.

From the point of view of a Christian, the musicians being involved in blasphemous projects is enough to be having a moral problem with the artist's work.

Yes true, I am mixing writing off bands due to the musicians, but also extending it just to genres on principle. That's more part of the "cleaning house" process and making room for new. Fair enough that's not entirely related to the topic. Just wanted to provide some personal context.

They sure seem like nice people based on the music, footage, and interviews, but I prefer to be on the safe side, for my conscience. After all, the only cover they decided to immortalize on their live album is in league with satan. Also there is a Celtic Frost connection that I do not know much about, but I wonder why Tom G Warrior was fond of them, is it just for the music, or something more, that was talked about backstage.

a Christian certainly can't moralize or teach us how to live given the massacre done by the church since it was born, and don't tell me it's the message that counts.

Religion must be a private thing,don’t annoy us.

He absolutely can, you don't know what you are talking about, and it is absolutely the message that counts.

You're making me staying quiet difficult.

He absolutely can, you don't know what you are talking about, and it is absolutely the message that counts.

You're making me staying quiet difficult.

I'd say the actions of Christians speak louder than words.

It's kind of sad that something like a turning to Christianity still leads to discussions overtaking the initial topic. For all the wrong reasons.

I despise the position and unspeakable acts of the church and its abutters and have seen/witnessed too many of these myself (hello Austria) and so the worst part of this derailment in the discussion here is that someone found "God" in a Christian format in 2023. I do believe that there's a lot more to life than what we're experiencing through our own eyes, but buying into a sanguinary system like Christianity...man, I wish you'd have chosen some other fantasy figure to justify your future actions.

Believe what you want - I wish I could just ignore the fact and shut up about it - but the set of morals for this shoddy system is down and out and the actual support for this religion still pains me.

Converting to christianity is downright eerie.

a Christian certainly can't moralize or teach us how to live given the massacre done by the church since it was born, and don't tell me it's the message that counts.

Religion must be a private thing,don’t annoy us.

I still think we should keep distinct the practitionners and the actual organized structured entity that is the chuch. Our friend here is not responsible for the actions of the Church.

Religion must be a private thing,don’t annoy us.

Shaming them and going on about how awful Christianity is for even bringing it up? Get real. [...] But let's judge metallic_monk by their behavior, which so far has been completely reasonable.

He absolutely can, you don't know what you are talking about, and it is absolutely the message that counts.

Bonus points for them for being reasonably civil, but the responses here are mainly for this:

A fairly strong reaction, perhaps, but "your entire belief system is discredited because of atrocities committed by people claiming to follow it" is a pretty strong accusation.

That and when they started blabbering on about some sorta possible Satanic conspiracy between Voivod and Celtic Frost. Definitely the signs of someone who's losing the plot.

Can you blame people for saying that, though? If any room exists within a religion for interpretations to be made that justify such actions or lead to them being committed in the first place, it's a flawed religion.

Let's be honest. If you're not even 10 posts into a metal forum and you're already talking about your absolutist mindset about subgenres due to your belief system, you really shouldn't be surprised about getting clowned on.