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If at least he did guest spots for other artists that would be incredible, but from what I hear he's not even allowed to take selfies with fans without being in full stage getup

I always kind of assumed that the band took a big break because Allen wanted to go play mediocre rock and generic heavy metal with musicians who would just write and play music to accompany him. I don't know if I'm right, but it's the impression I had. Symphony X is more of a collective effort kind of thing, and all the guys seem to have a say on what they're writing and recording, and sometimes vocalists just like to take the front stage entirely, so they fuck off elsewhere to make vocal-centric music.

Maybe I'm just making shit up, but I needed someone to blame for this 8 years of no Symphony X.

Not sure if it was mentioned yet but I think the BIGGEST waste of talent is Vivian Campbell in Def Leppard. His chops on the Dio albums were insane!

Lagartija wrote:

Eric Adams, anyone?

He was mentionned several times throughout the thread, bro :nods:

I am not sure I necessarily subscribe to the notion of 'wasted talent' because most musicians have busy lives and probably achieve what they want to achieve with their music, regardless of whether I like it or not.

Four pages in and no mention yet of Frost? I've always felt his talents would be better utilized away from Satyricon and 1349's music really doesn't do him any justice either.

Another totally wasted talent is Doug Cerrito AKA riffman, he left Suffocation and stopped playing, Erik Rutan convinced him to play in the first Hate Eternal album and that's all - he quit playing for good.

Hecatomb867 wrote:

Four pages in and no mention yet of Frost? I've always felt his talents would be better utilized away from Satyricon and 1349's music really doesn't do him any justice either.

what's wrong with 1349?!

and where exactly his talents would be better utilized?

Putting bands like Iron Maiden and Metallica in a thread such as this is seriously fucking retarded on every level.

Bands that are selling gold and platinum records on every release, such as these bands are not wasting their talent. You not liking a recent Maiden release is not the same as Maiden wasting talent. These bands are manned by professionals making an absolutely killer living in the craft they have spent their lives mastering. Nothing about this suggests wasting talent.

I think Vivian Campbell was on his way down even by Sacred Heart: that album is significantly less good than the first two Dio albums and a lot of that was due to him toning down. God knows Dio didn't change his writing style much until Dehumanizer. I reckon Vivian Campbell burned bright and burnt himself out quite quickly.

Author:	gabber [ Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:26 pm ]
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Quote: If at least he did guest spots for other artists that would be incredible, but from what I hear he's not even allowed to take selfies with fans without being in full stage getup Fuck I didn't know that. I'm shocked but not shocked. Joey would be absolutely horrendous to work for/with. Ego beyond belief. Eric would achieve so much doing projects away from Manowar.

Author:	Benedict Donald [ Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:56 pm ]
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HeavenDuff wrote: I always kind of assumed that the band took a big break because Allen wanted to go play mediocre rock and generic heavy metal with musicians who would just write and play music to accompany him. I don't know if I'm right, but it's the impression I had. Symphony X is more of a collective effort kind of thing, and all the guys seem to have a say on what they're writing and recording, and sometimes vocalists just like to take the front stage entirely, so they fuck off elsewhere to make vocal-centric music. Maybe I'm just making shit up, but I needed someone to blame for this 8 years of no Symphony X. Didn't Allen join the Trans-Siberian Orchestra and chase a significant paycheck? If so, I ca hardly blame him.

Author:	Bronze Age [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:12 am ]
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A couple that I blanked on earlier. Ricky Van Helden from Attack, great vocalist, songwriter and musician. "The Secret Place" was maybe his best album and he has had an album ready to release since 1996 but for some reason it has been shelved. Anders Zackrison from Nocturnal Rites. A great vocalist and no else really sounded like him except recently Doogie White on Alcatraz "V".

Author:	kovner1972 [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:22 am ]
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Alf Svensson from the original At The Gates combo, did a couple of classics with the band, did a couple of excellent and original sci-fi metal beautiful oddities with Oxiplegatz, and whoooooosh, vanished into obscurity or into his tattoo studio or whatever...He was the creative driving force behind ATG and an excellent guitar player, a talented guy overall; the metal world could have enjoyed some more of his creativity, instead we have got an abomination such as Slaughter Of The Soul.

Author:	Space_alligator [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:40 am ]
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mjollnir wrote: Not sure if it was mentioned yet but I think the BIGGEST waste of talent is Vivian Campbell in Def Leppard. His chops on the Dio albums were insane! Was going to mention him...but haven't actually listened to enough Def Leppard to sus out his involvement.

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Author:	Acrobat [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:14 pm ]
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I think Vivian Campbell was on his way down even by Sacred Heart: that album is significantly less good than the first two Dio albums and a lot of that was due to him toning down. God knows Dio didn't change his writing style much until Dehumanizer. I reckon Vivian Campbell burned bright and burnt himself out quite quickly.

Author:	Lagartija [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:29 pm ]
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Eric Adams, anyone?

Author:	Hecatomb867 [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:31 pm ]
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Four pages in and no mention yet of Frost? I've always felt his talents would be better utilized away from Satyricon and 1349's music really doesn't do him any justice either.

Author:	HeavenDuff [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:33 pm ]
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Lagartija wrote: Eric Adams, anyone? He was mentionned several times throughout the thread, bro

Author:	Opus [ Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:06 pm ]
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Bronze Age wrote: Anders Zackrison... I love you!

Author:	Lagartija [ Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:47 am ]
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HeavenDuff wrote: Lagartija wrote: Eric Adams, anyone? He was mentionned several times throughout the thread, bro Right, my bad. This wouldn't happen if MA were EASIER TO READ ON A PHONE

Author:	robotniq [ Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:10 pm ]
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I am not sure I necessarily subscribe to the notion of 'wasted talent' because most musicians have busy lives and probably achieve what they want to achieve with their music, regardless of whether I like it or not. Having said that, the Lykathea Aflame album has always frustrated me. I like it, but I wish they just stopped playing death metal and used their skills to make an amazing fusion/metal/folk type thing with human breakbeats, which would have been amazing. There are hints of it on that album.

Author:	dike [ Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:15 pm ]
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Lagartija wrote: Eric Adams, anyone? I guess you could argue this point with Manowar not being very productive in the past couple of decades but man playing in one of the greatest heavy metal bands of all time is hardly wasted talent. He fits perfectly with Manowar and Manowar fits perfectly with him.

Author:	Defenestrated [ Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:16 pm ]
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robotiq wrote: I am not sure I necessarily subscribe to the notion of 'wasted talent' because most musicians have busy lives and probably achieve what they want to achieve with their music, regardless of whether I like it or not. Good point. The Mayhem thread reminds me, I wanted to mention Blasphemer. I loved his work with Mayhem and wish he would've continued more in that vein. I checked out his death metal stuff (Vltimas, Nader Sadek) but wasn't really into it.

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Author:	abyss696 [ Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:45 pm ]
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I agree with every single thing said in this thread, but what really touched me was Eric Adams and Raymond Frigon: About the last one, I recently got the Legend - From the Fjords reissue by Cult Metal Classics (amazing vinyl edition) and the guy is a fucking monster, seriously. The fact that he wasted his immense talent not playing all those years is insane. About Eric Adams, what to say... I saw a youtube video of a recent show singing Battle Hymns and he fucking nailed it - he is 68 years old for god's sake! Another totally wasted talent is Doug Cerrito AKA riffman, he left Suffocation and stopped playing, Erik Rutan convinced him to play in the first Hate Eternal album and that's all - he quit playing for good.

Author:	Aldrahn333 [ Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:52 pm ]
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Hecatomb867 wrote: Four pages in and no mention yet of Frost? I've always felt his talents would be better utilized away from Satyricon and 1349's music really doesn't do him any justice either. what's wrong with 1349?! and where exactly his talents would be better utilized?

Author:	kovner1972 [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:17 am ]
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abyss696 wrote: Another totally wasted talent is Doug Cerrito AKA riffman, he left Suffocation and stopped playing, Erik Rutan convinced him to play in the first Hate Eternal album and that's all - he quit playing for good. If it's true, that's sad. The man played guitar on some of my all-time favourite Suffocation albums.

Author:	CreepingDeath16 [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:28 am ]
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Aldrahn333 wrote: Hecatomb867 wrote: Four pages in and no mention yet of Frost? I've always felt his talents would be better utilized away from Satyricon and 1349's music really doesn't do him any justice either. what's wrong with 1349?! and where exactly his talents would be better utilized? Yeah. AFAIK, Frost has a say in the drum arrangements of Satyricon. In 1349 he certainly has, so his talents are far from wasted.

Author:	Curious_dead [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:31 am ]
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Terri23 wrote: Putting bands like Iron Maiden and Metallica in a thread such as this is seriously fucking retarded on every level. Bands that are selling gold and platinum records on every release, such as these bands are not wasting their talent. You not liking a recent Maiden release is not the same as Maiden wasting talent. These bands are manned by professionals making an absolutely killer living in the craft they have spent their lives mastering. Nothing about this suggests wasting talent. I don't think that Maiden or Metallica are wasting their talents; one might argue they "don't have it anymore", but I don't think that's the same thing as wasting talents. However, I also don't think that "making an absolutely killer living" is a good measure of wasted talent. Arch Enemy is also making a killer living (not on the same level, but way above the average metal band), yet they also waste two of their talents. I'm sure there are other examples.

Author:	~Guest 220079 [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:43 pm ]
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Acrobat wrote: I think Vivian Campbell was on his way down even by Sacred Heart: that album is significantly less good than the first two Dio albums and a lot of that was due to him toning down. God knows Dio didn't change his writing style much until Dehumanizer. I reckon Vivian Campbell burned bright and burnt himself out quite quickly. Campbell is great example for this thread. I haven't a clue of his contribution to DL since he joined but I'd wager the paycheck that comes with a steady gig for a band playing stadiums takes the sting off of a lack of contribution to a nostalgia act. Same deal when him and Vai did that short stint with Whitesnake. The most interesting factoid of this Campbell/Leppard link is that Adrian Smith was in the running as well when Steve Clarke died (who I would wager was the heart and soul of that group).