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tahu157 wrote:

BastardHead wrote:

Remembered my other two obvious ones: Jorn Lande and Adrienne Cowan. Both of them are both absolutely stunning vocalists who seem to exclusively perform with otherwise mediocre and forgettable bands.

Jorn Lande is a good one. Can't think of a whole lot of his projects that are any good EXCEPT for that album he did with Trond Holter. That thing slays.

Ark and Beyond Twilight are the opposite of boring and forgettable... I guess you do have to have a taste for prog though.

Talking about con artists who are actually talented musicians and who wasted their talent, Blake Judd of Nachtmystium is a noticeable one. I actually enjoyed the music he made, but the guy is a compulsive liar and a scammer, and he ruined his own career and band.

Is the difference just that people like Maiden more? Would you say the members have wasted their talent, because they settled on a safe and unambitious sound that they mastered?

Arch Enemy ... The members are probably having a ton of fun doing what they do and living about as well as metal musicians can, and are making tens if not hundreds of thousands of fans happy.

people who have talent but clearly just stopped making music for the public because it didn't pay the bills, they felt they'd done all they had to offer already, had medical problems, or the lifestyle didn't fit with what they wanted.

What should Maiden be doing to be more ambitious at this point in their career though?

I haven't heard a shitload of Arch Enemy but just think Amott's talents were better in, say, Armageddon - Embrace the Mystery, a really brilliant piece of melodic metal.

MoonlitKnight wrote:

Eric Adams is a gifted vocalist, but sadly his talent has been wasted for a long time in a band that became unintentional self-parody. Many fine trad/USPM projects could be improved if they had a singer of his caliber.

We seem to have posted this thought at pretty much exactly the same time.

There's a few ways to look at this. The obvious is the joke and self parody that Manowar have been for about 30 years. On the other hand, Manowar sell out stadiums in Europe, and there are very few metal bands that are able to do that.

Dark Angel as a whole feels like a band that was never able to fully develop their potential.

Erik Rutan in Cannibal Corpse.

PS: By the way, Heaven. This thread only applies to those musicians who have spent many years wasting their talent and skills in a big band? Because if so, then Rutan doesn't apply because he's only 2 years old in Cannibal Corpse and I can't think of another example. Besides, he can be given time.

Arch Enemy is one of the most commercially successful metal bands right now, and has been for well over a decade. Is it wasted potential to have expert-level musicians decide to play in a highly popular band that can consistently work with the best people, hire the best road crew, employ the best studios and producers, have about as comfortable a touring life as possible, and be confident that just any show booked will be a hit? The members are probably having a ton of fun doing what they do and living about as well as metal musicians can, and are making tens if not hundreds of thousands of fans happy.

I'm 100% with everyone about Arch Enemy making stale, pedestrian music, but would you say, for instance, Iron Maiden was wasting its potential when it's been able to book sold-out shows for 30+ years? It's not like Iron Maiden has done anything innovative or even particularly good in the last 15 years. Is the difference just that people like Maiden more? Would you say the members have wasted their talent, because they settled on a safe and unambitious sound that they mastered?

I even hesitate to mention people who have talent but clearly just stopped making music for the public because it didn't pay the bills, they felt they'd done all they had to offer already, had medical problems, or the lifestyle didn't fit with what they wanted (Muhammed Suiçmez etc.) because those are just personal life decisions, and it's hard for me to question those choices.

To me, what feels way more true to the spirit of this question are people who have huge levels of songwriting or playing talent, but then faltered due to creative missteps, substance abuse, or personality issues.

Someone like Michael Keene from The Faceless is case in point for me - he's a really fantastic guitarist with great melodic phrasing and wrote some of the best technical death metal around when the band was most active. But his personality and drug issues almost totally sank his career. To me that is such a waste, because you could imagine him being one of the most technically accomplished and hard-working musicians in metal today, up there with folks like Christian Münzner, if it wasn't for those factors.

Andy LaRoque
Being that King went from being arguably the most prolific metal musician to among the least prolific, Andy's barely been heard from these past two decades.

Hank Shermann and Michael Denner
This duo is almost always ranked among the greatest 'dual guitar attacks' of all time, but there's been precious little output from them since the 90s. They released a killer EP and album in '15 and '16, but that's basically been it. Would love to hear more.

It's not like Iron Maiden has done anything innovative or even particularly good in the last 15 years. Is the difference just that people like Maiden more? Would you say the members have wasted their talent, because they settled on a safe and unambitious sound that they mastered?

Benedict Donald wrote:

Andy LaRoque
Being that King went from being arguably the most prolific metal musician to among the least prolific, Andy's barely been heard from these past two decades.

Looks like he's been quite busy:
https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... t_tab_misc

Busy, for sure. But doing everything but writing and releasing music!

Trujillo in Metallica, brilliant bassist he's done three albums in 20 years, and all of them he doesn't really get to show off his chops and just follows the riff.

S.L. Coe (Scanner, Angel Dust...).

He fronted a few bands but was always an inconsistent member. The last thing he did was a solo album in 2000, and then he disappeared.

Such a great voice wasted.

Chris Broderick in In Flames. Gets a few moments to shine on the new album but nothing that you couldn't get from any old shredder, and it's not like the riffs are challenging for someone of his skill.

Erik Rutan in Cannibal Corpse.

Dark Angel as a whole feels like a band that was never able to fully develop their potential.
Annhiliator, Megadeth, Cro-Mags and Metal Church have been bands that always gave me the impression that they could be better. Some of their albums are timeless classics for me, but with more stable line-ups, im sure, they could achieve (even) more. Write better material.
Flemming Rönsdorf isnt active anymore, but was one of the best and most unique thrash Vocalists. Its a pitty.

tahu157 wrote:

BastardHead wrote:

Remembered my other two obvious ones: Jorn Lande and Adrienne Cowan. Both of them are both absolutely stunning vocalists who seem to exclusively perform with otherwise mediocre and forgettable bands.

Jorn Lande is a good one. Can't think of a whole lot of his projects that are any good EXCEPT for that album he did with Trond Holter. That thing slays.

I’d say nearly all of Jorn’s projects have been good to great. He always seems to end up with great musicians and songwriters.

Check out “Burn the Sun” by Ark, “The Devil’s Hall of Fame” by Beyond Twilight, and “The Spectral Spheres Coronation” by Mundanus Imperium.

ThStealthK wrote:

Erik Rutan in Cannibal Corpse.

Hard disagree, I think he's a great fit for Cannibal Corpse both in playing style and ability. The latest album is the best they've made since Kill in my opinion, and I was never all that into Hate Eternal.

Maybe people will disagree, but what about Dirk Verbeuren in Megadeth? There is nothing wrong with his playing on the last album, but it seemed to be a bit neutered compared to what I was expecting.

The Cavanaugh brothers (Anathema)
These two are too talented to remain 'silent'.

77hjrttfred wrote:

Mustaine has made a habit of ruining other projects by recruting musicians from other bands. I remember being very much into the progressive power/thrash metal band Eidolon back in high school, and at some point, Mustaine went and grabbed Shawn and Glen Drover out of the band, so they could be his sidekicks in Megadeth. Eidolon disbanded, and now neither of the Drover brothers are in Megadeth anymore. They also do not seem to be doing much in their other projects.

The good thing with Verbeuren is that he's still involved in about 20 other projects at the same time, so he gets to do interesting stuff with these.

You make it sound like Dave Mustaine picks and chooses and intentionally ruins other bands. The Drovers obviously did Megadeth because they wanted to do it.

How is Arch Enemy not contributing on an artistic level? How is it bad music? I guess I'd like to take music on its own terms and for what the band is trying to door other than gatekeep and complain that it's not living up to some vague standard of quality or importance.

HeavenDuff wrote:

I think the biggest difference is that Iron Maiden have released timeless classics with the musicians currently in their line-up. All of these musicians have amazing records to their name and can (and should) be proud of what they accomplished. All of them also injected a great deal of their own identity and style in the music they play. Iron Maiden, even if I don't personnally enjoy their latest releases, are still a truly amazing band, and one could even just look at them as a legacy act, and enjoy watching them play The Trooper, Rime of the Ancient Mariner or Fear of the Dark for the 999th time and still love it.

As for Arch Enemy, outside of Amott, the other talented musicians in the band were not a part of the band when they released their best material, and have been content to just reproduce the same sound that's become the trademark sound of the band, without actually contributing much. I have to agree with the person who said, on the 1st page of this thread, that Loomis is basically just there to harmonize with Amott, and that White-Gluz is just there to do an impression of Gossow. These musicians could all be pushing boundaries of metal, but they are not. And yeah, the worst part is that they never did push the boundaries of metal with Arch Enemy. There is not a single memorable riff, or memorable vocal line on the material that Loomis and White-Gluz recorded with Arch Enemy.

You could play Mad Libs and flip all the keywords between each paragraph, and I'm not sure anyone would notice the difference or even argue about it that much.

I'm not trying to say that the two situations are 1:1 comparable, I'm just trying to point out it's weird to me to say someone is wasting potential of their talents when they're literally in one of the most successful bands in metal right now. It just feels like a double standard is being applied.

There's no bad music, just music that isn't flawless.

You make it sound like Dave Mustaine picks and chooses and intentionally ruins other bands. The Drovers obviously did Megadeth because they wanted to do it.

Author:	therealvivs [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:44 am ]
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Empyreal wrote: tahu157 wrote: BastardHead wrote: Remembered my other two obvious ones: Jorn Lande and Adrienne Cowan. Both of them are both absolutely stunning vocalists who seem to exclusively perform with otherwise mediocre and forgettable bands. Jorn Lande is a good one. Can't think of a whole lot of his projects that are any good EXCEPT for that album he did with Trond Holter. That thing slays. Ark and Beyond Twilight are the opposite of boring and forgettable... I guess you do have to have a taste for prog though. Burn The Sun is such a gem of an album... it was a breath of fresh air when it came out and it is still strong today; miles apart from Dream Theater wank and Symphony X camp.

Author:	ThStealthK [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:10 am ]
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Erik Rutan in Cannibal Corpse. PS: By the way, Heaven. This thread only applies to those musicians who have spent many years wasting their talent and skills in a big band? Because if so, then Rutan doesn't apply because he's only 2 years old in Cannibal Corpse and I can't think of another example. Besides, he can be given time.

Author:	funeralravens [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:50 am ]
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Morten Veland (Tristania, Sirenia). Released 4 great albums across 2 bands before changing his style into a more commercial one and losing his talent and skill along the way, Jari Mäenpää is the biggest one, of course. Don't even need to explain.

Author:	CoffeeCat [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:28 pm ]
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Author:	~Guest 1413143 [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:54 pm ]
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HeavenDuff wrote: Talking about con artists who are actually talented musicians and who wasted their talent, Blake Judd of Nachtmystium is a noticeable one. I actually enjoyed the music he made, but the guy is a compulsive liar and a scammer, and he ruined his own career and band. Sad but true! That guy was really talented. But i always thought Nachtmystium exists again? Didnt really care for the last EP or whatever it was (sounded lame compared to i.e. silencing machine).

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Author:	Empyreal [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:49 pm ]
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CoffeeCat wrote: Is the difference just that people like Maiden more? Would you say the members have wasted their talent, because they settled on a safe and unambitious sound that they mastered? What should Maiden be doing to be more ambitious at this point in their career though? I don't get these posts really. They are great these days. I haven't heard a shitload of Arch Enemy but just think Amott's talents were better in, say, Armageddon - Embrace the Mystery, a really brilliant piece of melodic metal. I think it's great if these bands I find boring (Amon Amarth, AE, etc) are still enjoying themselves. This thread seems to be more about these guys who have a lot of talent but who subjectively aren't living up, etc.

Author:	Opus [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:56 pm ]
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CoffeeCat wrote: Arch Enemy ... The members are probably having a ton of fun doing what they do and living about as well as metal musicians can, and are making tens if not hundreds of thousands of fans happy. people who have talent but clearly just stopped making music for the public because it didn't pay the bills, they felt they'd done all they had to offer already, had medical problems, or the lifestyle didn't fit with what they wanted. I believe you are absolutely right. Being an artist is a job as well. It has to work out practically. People like Jorn who keeps jumping from project to project I think are doing that because that's what they want to do. They take well paid gigs when it suits them, and have other income to keep them supported.

Author:	Opus [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:59 pm ]
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Empyreal wrote: What should Maiden be doing to be more ambitious at this point in their career though? Write better songs? Empyreal wrote: I haven't heard a shitload of Arch Enemy but just think Amott's talents were better in, say, Armageddon - Embrace the Mystery, a really brilliant piece of melodic metal. That was Chris' band. Mike is doing Spiritual Beggars as his hobby.

Author:	Empyreal [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:44 pm ]
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They write great tunes now - lots of catchy stuff, powerful, epic. I'm good with it! And yeah I forgot which one of them was behind Armageddon. Point stands I think.

Author:	Benedict Donald [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 3:50 pm ]
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Andy LaRoque Being that King went from being arguably the most prolific metal musician to among the least prolific, Andy's barely been heard from these past two decades. Hank Shermann and Michael Denner This duo is almost always ranked among the greatest 'dual guitar attacks' of all time, but there's been precious little output from them since the 90s. They released a killer EP and album in '15 and '16, but that's basically been it. Would love to hear more. Martin Powell Dude was among the reasons why My Dying Bride stood so far out and above the rest of the doom crowd in the 90s. The Cavanaugh brothers (Anathema) These two are too talented to remain 'silent'.

Author:	MoonlitKnight [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:19 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote: MoonlitKnight wrote: Eric Adams is a gifted vocalist, but sadly his talent has been wasted for a long time in a band that became unintentional self-parody. Many fine trad/USPM projects could be improved if they had a singer of his caliber. We seem to have posted this thought at pretty much exactly the same time. Great minds think alike Terri23 wrote: There's a few ways to look at this. The obvious is the joke and self parody that Manowar have been for about 30 years. On the other hand, Manowar sell out stadiums in Europe, and there are very few metal bands that are able to do that. That's true, here in Brazil they also have quite a faithful fanbase (in all of South America I think). Of course when you think in musical terms it's a waste, but in terms of financial success you can't really fault his choice. Considering he has to listen day in and day out to DeMaio's interminable speeches about being a metal warrior, I can't say he doesn't deserve some hefty compensation

Author:	HeavenDuff [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:16 pm ]
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Pizzasmasher wrote: Dark Angel as a whole feels like a band that was never able to fully develop their potential. I mean... they released some of the most crushing, cutting-edge and straight-up killer thrash metal there is, but ok. ThStealthK wrote: Erik Rutan in Cannibal Corpse. PS: By the way, Heaven. This thread only applies to those musicians who have spent many years wasting their talent and skills in a big band? Because if so, then Rutan doesn't apply because he's only 2 years old in Cannibal Corpse and I can't think of another example. Besides, he can be given time. Just post whatever you want, haha! It's all fine by me. Although I disagree with you on Rutan. I think Cannibal Corpse, even if they are playing it relatively safe, are still releasing very solid death metal, and Rutan seems to have injected some of his own identity into the mix. I wouldn't say he's wasting his talent, and he may yet prove to be a great asset for the band on future releases. CoffeeCat wrote: Arch Enemy is one of the most commercially successful metal bands right now, and has been for well over a decade. Is it wasted potential to have expert-level musicians decide to play in a highly popular band that can consistently work with the best people, hire the best road crew, employ the best studios and producers, have about as comfortable a touring life as possible, and be confident that just any show booked will be a hit? The members are probably having a ton of fun doing what they do and living about as well as metal musicians can, and are making tens if not hundreds of thousands of fans happy. I get what you mean, although I would still call it a waste of skills and talent, because all these musicians could be working on actual quality music and contribute to metal on an artistic level, instead of releasing the same album over and over again, while contributing virtually nothing to metal but cliché pseudo-rebellious anthems. But yeah, of course, from their standpoint, they are probably enjoying what they are doing, but so are most musicians who play bad music. Most of them probably don't think of it as bad music too. Doesn't mean it's not bad music though. CoffeeCat wrote: I'm 100% with everyone about Arch Enemy making stale, pedestrian music, but would you say, for instance, Iron Maiden was wasting its potential when it's been able to book sold-out shows for 30+ years? It's not like Iron Maiden has done anything innovative or even particularly good in the last 15 years. Is the difference just that people like Maiden more? Would you say the members have wasted their talent, because they settled on a safe and unambitious sound that they mastered? I think the biggest difference is that Iron Maiden have released timeless classics with the musicians currently in their line-up. All of these musicians have amazing records to their name and can (and should) be proud of what they accomplished. All of them also injected a great deal of their own identity and style in the music they play. Iron Maiden, even if I don't personnally enjoy their latest releases, are still a truly amazing band, and one could even just look at them as a legacy act, and enjoy watching them play The Trooper, Rime of the Ancient Mariner or Fear of the Dark for the 999th time and still love it. As for Arch Enemy, outside of Amott, the other talented musicians in the band were not a part of the band when they released their best material, and have been content to just reproduce the same sound that's become the trademark sound of the band, without actually contributing much. I have to agree with the person who said, on the 1st page of this thread, that Loomis is basically just there to harmonize with Amott, and that White-Gluz is just there to do an impression of Gossow. These musicians could all be pushing boundaries of metal, but they are not. And yeah, the worst part is that they never did push the boundaries of metal with Arch Enemy. There is not a single memorable riff, or memorable vocal line on the material that Loomis and White-Gluz recorded with Arch Enemy. CoffeeCat wrote: I even hesitate to mention people who have talent but clearly just stopped making music for the public because it didn't pay the bills, they felt they'd done all they had to offer already, had medical problems, or the lifestyle didn't fit with what they wanted (Muhammed Suiçmez etc.) because those are just personal life decisions, and it's hard for me to question those choices. I also get your point, and while I respect their decision and wouldn't want them to do something they don't feel like doing, it could still be argued that they are wasting their talent, strictly because they are very talented, very creative, and are not putting this talent to profit. CoffeeCat wrote: To me, what feels way more true to the spirit of this question are people who have huge levels of songwriting or playing talent, but then faltered due to creative missteps, substance abuse, or personality issues. Someone like Michael Keene from The Faceless is case in point for me - he's a really fantastic guitarist with great melodic phrasing and wrote some of the best technical death metal around when the band was most active. But his personality and drug issues almost totally sank his career. To me that is such a waste, because you could imagine him being one of the most technically accomplished and hard-working musicians in metal today, up there with folks like Christian Münzner, if it wasn't for those factors. Keene is a great example for sure. Kind of like Blake Judd and Jari Maenpa, he's a talented musician, but also a whiny brat with the shittiest attitude. He ruined his own career and band by being one of the most insufferable jerks there is.

Author:	Opus [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:30 pm ]
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Benedict Donald wrote: Andy LaRoque Being that King went from being arguably the most prolific metal musician to among the least prolific, Andy's barely been heard from these past two decades. Looks like he's been quite busy: https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... t_tab_misc

Author:	mynameishere [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:36 pm ]
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Benedict Donald wrote: Hank Shermann and Michael Denner This duo is almost always ranked among the greatest 'dual guitar attacks' of all time, but there's been precious little output from them since the 90s. They released a killer EP and album in '15 and '16, but that's basically been it. Would love to hear more. Hank and Denner haven't spoken to each other for many years. Denner has mentioned it in different interviews. It's not a secret; he can't get along with King Diamond.

Author:	TheBurningOfSodom [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:52 pm ]
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For cases of underutilized musicians – easy mention for Lost Horizon's Daniel Heiman. When I gave some spins to Warrior Path's latest, I found a really subpar landscape for one of the most beloved power metal vocalists ever. On the other hand, he is in a lot of projects, and for example Dimhav was way more interesting. Also, obligatory agreement with whomever mentioned Steve DiGiorgio with Testament. A part of me wants to mention Exmortus as well – just a lot of talent at waste in mostly inoffensive albums, especially coming after the incredible In Hatred's Flame. When talking about musicians who didn't actually 'ruin' themselves in other, lesser bands, but simply disappeared, I'm surprised to see no mention for Scott Clendenin (R.I.P.) and Shannon Hamm. Granted, TSoP was a bit of a matter of tastes, and I've always been an early Death guy, but there's no denying the two could have done a lot more. Hamm appeared in Control Denied, if nothing else. Other less-known, honorable mentions for the latter scenario: – the fact that literally every member of Аспид bar the late drummer disappeared in total silence after their only LP (and only release overall) is a damn shame. – Italian vocalist Ingo owned the cult debuts by both Necrodeath and Schizo (only half of the latter, unfortunately), but subsequently vanished from the scenes. – I wouldn't have minded hearing Terry Groom's ferocious drumming on some more albums other than the Armoros' long lost LP.

Author:	MetlaNZ [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:23 pm ]
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CoffeeCat wrote: It's not like Iron Maiden has done anything innovative or even particularly good in the last 15 years. Is the difference just that people like Maiden more? Would you say the members have wasted their talent, because they settled on a safe and unambitious sound that they mastered? I'm gonna double down on this grenade and say Bruce and Adrian have wasted their potential plodding along with Maiden since reuniting for Brave New World. Bruce's solo work and Smith/Kotzen is evidence enough to that. I'll also say that the first person I thought of for this thread was Robert Trujillo, way to good for Metallica.

Author:	Benedict Donald [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:02 pm ]
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Opus wrote: Benedict Donald wrote: Andy LaRoque Being that King went from being arguably the most prolific metal musician to among the least prolific, Andy's barely been heard from these past two decades. Looks like he's been quite busy: https://www.metal-archives.com/artists/ ... t_tab_misc Busy, for sure. But doing everything but writing and releasing music!

Author:	Opus [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:40 pm ]
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Benedict Donald wrote: Busy, for sure. But doing everything but writing and releasing music! To be frank, we should only be thankful for that. This is what happens when King isn't there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shrzxoBQd7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeIkReBzF4Y

Author:	77hjrttfred [ Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:24 pm ]
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Ivan Drago wrote: Trujillo in Metallica, brilliant bassist he's done three albums in 20 years, and all of them he doesn't really get to show off his chops and just follows the riff. I agree with that choice. Another one I would add is Steve Di Giorgio in Testament. I quite like modern Testament, but his role in the band seems quite diminished compared to the bass work he did with Sadus, for example. Maybe people will disagree, but what about Dirk Verbeuren in Megadeth? There is nothing wrong with his playing on the last album, but it seemed to be a bit neutered compared to what I was expecting.

Author:	Terri23 [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:03 am ]
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I have a couple more to add. Kevin Heybourne and Brian Tatler. Both phenomenal guitarists. The consensus from their respective bands is the "bad management, and record companies just didn't get us man". Another school of thought is that both guitarists only ever wrote exactly one album worth of great riffs and music. What is known is that both bands struggled on in the 80s with massive line up changes, and major changes in direction in music.

Author:	Bronze Age [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:09 am ]
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mynameishere wrote: S.L. Coe (Scanner, Angel Dust...). He fronted a few bands but was always an inconsistent member. The last thing he did was a solo album in 2000, and then he disappeared. Such a great voice wasted. Good call, I also agree with Jarzombek and Tate. Michael Kiske; other than Keeper of the Seven Keys Part 1 & 2 this guy has been a huge disappointment. Unisonic was cool and he sounds great on the new Helloween but he should have done so much more. Stacy Handchild who was the vocalist for Vauxdvihl "To Dimension Logic" just vanished after that one album. Chris Klauke; the vocalist from Mania and Abraxas. He was a little rough but likeable and I like the way he was progressing.

Author:	BleedingMoon [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:54 am ]
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Chris Broderick in In Flames. Gets a few moments to shine on the new album but nothing that you couldn't get from any old shredder, and it's not like the riffs are challenging for someone of his skill.

Author:	mynameishere [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:53 am ]
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BleedingMoon wrote: Chris Broderick in In Flames. Gets a few moments to shine on the new album but nothing that you couldn't get from any old shredder, and it's not like the riffs are challenging for someone of his skill. He had his band, Act of Defiance, where he could write everything he ever wanted. I remember how he cried about not being allowed creative freedom in Megadeth, then decided to drop their main band with a plan to tour and promote a new album, fill in an established band, and be limited as a member again. What a shitty move.

Author:	Zerberus [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 4:51 am ]
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ThStealthK wrote: Erik Rutan in Cannibal Corpse. Hard disagree, I think he's a great fit for Cannibal Corpse both in playing style and ability. The latest album is the best they've made since Kill in my opinion, and I was never all that into Hate Eternal. Pizzasmasher wrote: Dark Angel as a whole feels like a band that was never able to fully develop their potential. Annhiliator, Megadeth, Cro-Mags and Metal Church have been bands that always gave me the impression that they could be better. Some of their albums are timeless classics for me, but with more stable line-ups, im sure, they could achieve (even) more. Write better material. Flemming Rönsdorf isnt active anymore, but was one of the best and most unique thrash Vocalists. Its a pitty. Definitely agree on Rönsdorf, it really is a huge pity that he retired from metal. Artillery have worked with some great vocalists after Flemming, but none of them are half as unique as him. Also agree on Annihilator, Cro-Mags and Metal Church. ESPECIALLY Cro-Mags, but I guess Harley wasn't the easiest person to work with (and he's a shit vocalist).

Author:	TitaniumNK [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:29 am ]
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I've always felt that Jorn Viggo Lofstad must've done more other than a couple of truly great Pagan's Mind albums and several less important side gigs. Such a tremendous guitarist.

Author:	morbert [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:49 am ]
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Wasted talent and skills. hmmmm, let me think... Anyone playing on a post-Youthanasia Megadeth album is what comes to mind immedietaly.

Author:	Xeper [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:35 am ]
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Benedict Donald wrote: tahu157 wrote: BastardHead wrote: Remembered my other two obvious ones: Jorn Lande and Adrienne Cowan. Both of them are both absolutely stunning vocalists who seem to exclusively perform with otherwise mediocre and forgettable bands. Jorn Lande is a good one. Can't think of a whole lot of his projects that are any good EXCEPT for that album he did with Trond Holter. That thing slays. I’d say nearly all of Jorn’s projects have been good to great. He always seems to end up with great musicians and songwriters. Check out “Burn the Sun” by Ark, “The Devil’s Hall of Fame” by Beyond Twilight, and “The Spectral Spheres Coronation” by Mundanus Imperium. Seconding that Ark-Burn The Sun recommendation. Blew my mind as a young drummer back when it came out. Also seconding whoever mentioned above wanting to hear Eloy Casagrande play in different bands. Much as I love Sepultura, I totally agree, and he's who immediately came to mind. His skills aren't "wasted" of course, we all know he plays his ass off, but would definitely love to hear him branch out elsewhere, too.

Author:	Xeper [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 7:43 am ]
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Oh! Didn't Johan Reinholdz from Andromeda play on Dark Tranquillity's newest album? The 2 tracks I heard sounded just like any DT from the past 20 years, unless I'm farther outta touch than I realize. Was hoping his inclusion might inject new inspiration into DT's sound, much as I like them.

Author:	Lane [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:25 am ]
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^ And Christopher Amott just played guitar on the album ('Moment'), as he did not contribute with songwriting. Wasted talent right there.

Author:	Ace_Rimmer [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:55 am ]
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Zerberus wrote: ThStealthK wrote: Erik Rutan in Cannibal Corpse. Hard disagree, I think he's a great fit for Cannibal Corpse both in playing style and ability. The latest album is the best they've made since Kill in my opinion, and I was never all that into Hate Eternal. Yeah, how one could be wasting their talent in the biggest death metal band is kind of a strange notion to me.

Author:	HeavenDuff [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:07 am ]
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77hjrttfred wrote: Maybe people will disagree, but what about Dirk Verbeuren in Megadeth? There is nothing wrong with his playing on the last album, but it seemed to be a bit neutered compared to what I was expecting. Mustaine has made a habit of ruining other projects by recruting musicians from other bands. I remember being very much into the progressive power/thrash metal band Eidolon back in high school, and at some point, Mustaine went and grabbed Shawn and Glen Drover out of the band, so they could be his sidekicks in Megadeth. Eidolon disbanded, and now neither of the Drover brothers are in Megadeth anymore. They also do not seem to be doing much in their other projects. The good thing with Verbeuren is that he's still involved in about 20 other projects at the same time, so he gets to do interesting stuff with these.

Author:	Terri23 [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:40 am ]
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Benedict Donald wrote: The Cavanaugh brothers (Anathema) These two are too talented to remain 'silent'. They're both apparently putting their own stuff out. Danny has Weather Systems which has regularly been putting out singles for the past year. The album is about to be recorded in the next month Vinny has been working on something called The Radicant, though very little has emerged, there is an Instagram account which is beginning to come to life. There is a third Cavanagh brother, the bass player Jamie. He doesn't write much or sing in the way his brothers do. He kinda gets forgotten about.

Author:	CoffeeCat [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:06 pm ]
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Author:	kovner1972 [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:17 pm ]
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Wait, isn't Michael Amott in Arch Enemy? Isn't THAT a waste of talent? He should print a tee shirt with the slogan: "wasting my talent since 1995 and proud of it".

Author:	dike [ Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:07 pm ]
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HeavenDuff wrote: 77hjrttfred wrote: Maybe people will disagree, but what about Dirk Verbeuren in Megadeth? There is nothing wrong with his playing on the last album, but it seemed to be a bit neutered compared to what I was expecting. Mustaine has made a habit of ruining other projects by recruting musicians from other bands. I remember being very much into the progressive power/thrash metal band Eidolon back in high school, and at some point, Mustaine went and grabbed Shawn and Glen Drover out of the band, so they could be his sidekicks in Megadeth. Eidolon disbanded, and now neither of the Drover brothers are in Megadeth anymore. They also do not seem to be doing much in their other projects. The good thing with Verbeuren is that he's still involved in about 20 other projects at the same time, so he gets to do interesting stuff with these. You make it sound like Dave Mustaine picks and chooses and intentionally ruins other bands. The Drovers obviously did Megadeth because they wanted to do it.