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| Author: | Lagartija [ Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Playing this now. I didn't know these guys before, this is great! |
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| Author: | joppek [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
poormouth100 wrote: tbh i'm extremely confused how seemingly more than one person heard anything even remotely similar to djent, meshuggah or mastodon in this album. this is super melodic tech/thrash with some prog/death as well i'll try to elaborate a bit: after more listens i've warmed up to the album more (and to be clear i liked most of it very much to begin with, and ecdysis is one of my fav post-2000 albums), and the bits that annoyed me were rarer than the impression i got from my first cursory listens - i would have replied sooner, but couldn't actually find examples in the 5 minutes i had the other day... by far the worst offender of the stuff i was talking about is the second track at about 4:00-5:30 and again, don't get hung up on the "djent", "meshuggah", or "mastodon" - those are just associations i make with the kind of pronounced rhythmic thing; the references are probably shit, as i tend to not listen to stuff i don't like i still think every album after ecdysis has been a step down, but overall this is still very good |
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| Author: | Empyreal [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 8:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
My main complaint about them is that they never did anything like "The Stranger" again. But that does make that song just that much more unique. This album has gotten better every time for me. Don't know if I have a favorite overall for them - all the last four are very consistent to me. Ecdysis with the heightened trad metal influence was a really cool blend, but they just keep advancing the sound all the time. |
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| Author: | SanPeron [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
I am currently listening to their latest album which is more melodic and progressive compared to their first one. They started as an old-school death metal worship band with Lovecraftian lyrics, which I found intriguing. This album is musically more complex. I agree with the guy who said this album sounds like Gojira and Mastodon, not because the songs are similar, but because the production is cleaner and more modern. If they started as an old-school death metal band, this album takes a more modern approach. It features clean vocals in some songs and aligns with current metal trends. The album has a progressive sound with guitar parts reminiscent of Dream Theater, Atheist, and progressive metal in general. The songs have complex structures, combining mid-paced and groovy riffs with faster thrashier riffs. |
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| Author: | Thy Shrine [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Three of those bands ok two and a half cuz dream theater is better than the shit they get(their problem is getting a little corny and Idk just kind of the way an old stay at home husband would get for lack of a better term when they get emotional) they're usually good on riffs If they sound like gojira and mastodon in the way of chugging the guitar with one hand and preparing a coconut smoothie in the other hand, I'm gonna be disappointed they went that direction, idk I think the last one was pretty good and they didn't riff like that sure it's not morbid or very deathy but it's a little twisted in a way I'll listen but I think if they're getting more the way you're describing I think that's a big letdown I just hate when people gotta "grow up" like that, it's always coming from someone else first. I'll listen but that did not give me a single ounce of hope, the world already has too much of that crap to begin with |
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| Author: | Thy Shrine [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Yo I'm on the second song now I got the wrong impression from that I thought you meant that real kinda staring at yourself in the mirror with a black and white video and chugs only when he wanted to let out his pain regarding the one time he got called gay playing GTA online It's a little softer so far but it's also a little more direct than the last one so I can't complain It sounded kinda a tad too positive which I can take in small doses if it's mixed in well but it's still got that weirdness I kinda hear a lot of kinda old Megadeth in there than anything on the strictly metal stuff Idk I kinda fear they continuously go in the positive direction too much for a follow up id just hate to see them go down that same old path that's typical but so far third song is more just simplified idol But yeah I got like genuinely disappointed when I heard you mention gojira and shit I'm glad my brain was wrong |
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| Author: | Empyreal [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
It's not at all some sort of stuffy intellectual thing or post- anything. Shit rips. The first album was their most boring one by comparison. |
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| Author: | deadtome [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Djamn some of these comments had me rollin' hahaha...nearly spilled my beer lol. DjEF not any djenny going on here is djish here stuff. |
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| Author: | Thy Shrine [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Empyreal wrote: It's not at all some sort of stuffy intellectual thing or post- anything. Shit rips. The first album was their most boring one by comparison. Oh no I don't mean like that, I meant it sounded kinda like positive like idk reaffirmimg or supportive idk I genuinely struggle with feeling that way, it's rare but it makes me uncomfortable to feel that way so I get a little on edge for a second hoping it's not that the whole time Its not like traumatizing or anything it's like just a weird feeling I get almost like embarrassed for the other person for being that kinda open with me it weirds me out a little bit I'm not sure why, most emotions besides anger kinda put me on edge a little bit cuz they're just very closed off to me, I get genuine emotions for like 5 seconds at a time usually every once in a while usually I'm kinda flat |
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| Author: | Empyreal [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Interesting - I dunno, it's definitely something how people are hearing a lot of different things and qualities in this. |
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| Author: | Demon Fang [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Some of you are hearing Gojira, Mastodon and Meshuggah where I seem to be hearing Coroner throughout this album. |
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| Author: | Thy Shrine [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Empyreal wrote: Interesting - I dunno, it's definitely something how people are hearing a lot of different things and qualities in this. Yeah I know the whole it's more manly to feel things thing and I know it's true but it's like for me they come so rare like a genuine feeling that it's like I can't deal with it because I just naturally don't have exposure to it. Yeah I ain't saying it's wimpy, I call Opeth and the like wimpy cuz that's trying to illicit feelings, but it's just so not doing it at all that's usually what I mean by wimpy, like how can the horrendous song make me feel a slight bit of kinda bittersweet positivity that I never really got when I was younger and am mostly closed off from but that shit has people saying it moved me deeply, I just don't get that like man I never realized how people just might actually have feelings that just come out as huge and fully realized cuz I just can't do that I just usually think when someone shows feelings to me it's like they're just doing that to persuade me a little more so I get annoyed cuz it's to me seen as why do you have to get like that to get me to agree I guess I just really can't see it any other way so I guess I appear crass and being overly aggressive, i really have to learn how to come around to people instead of the other way around I guess that's me explaining why I appear to be cruel sometimes around here, I'm just kinda laughing about it usually I'm not trying to be mean I just don't see things the way most people do. But I'd argue it makes Horrendous kinda more impactful than a lot of the other stuff cuz most feelings based music literally makes me laugh cuz like dude stop trying that hard, but I'm just cold so yeah I figure I oughta explain it cuz I've spent all my life kinda wondering why I get into conflict with others over shit I find trivial at best, so it ain't you guys it's just me I'll try to be nicer when I respond but I'm gonna still come out with my usual asshole opinion just cuz it makes me laugh to really explore the many creative ways I can express that I am cold as stone with super emotional stuff sometimes |
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| Author: | Runko [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 1:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
joppek wrote: by far the worst offender of the stuff i was talking about is the second track at about 4:00-5:30 If anything that part sounds like Opeth |
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| Author: | Kalaratri [ Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Having listened to the album now I quite like it. They've definitely gone for a bit more of an 80s traditional heavy metal influence on this one and the mix between that, the prog and death metal is very well done. |
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| Author: | poormouth100 [ Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Thy Shrine wrote: Three of those bands ok two and a half cuz dream theater is better than the shit they get(their problem is getting a little corny and Idk just kind of the way an old stay at home husband would get for lack of a better term when they get emotional) they're usually good on riffs If they sound like gojira and mastodon in the way of chugging the guitar with one hand and preparing a coconut smoothie in the other hand, I'm gonna be disappointed they went that direction, idk I think the last one was pretty good and they didn't riff like that sure it's not morbid or very deathy but it's a little twisted in a way I'll listen but I think if they're getting more the way you're describing I think that's a big letdown I just hate when people gotta "grow up" like that, it's always coming from someone else first. I'll listen but that did not give me a single ounce of hope, the world already has too much of that crap to begin with this album doesn't sound like any of those bands. not even one tiny little bit, so don't worry so over the past week i've listened to the entire horrendous discography as well as ontological mysterium a couple of times and one thing that stands out to me about this band is the diversity of opinion among their fans. some prefer the chills, some are more into idol or anareta, etc. it seems every album of theirs is a fan favorite which is indicative of the quality of their writing as well as their willingness to progress their sound and evolve from album to album. i liked all of it but for me i'm split between ecdysis and ontological mysterium as being their best work. ecdysis has the higher highs but their newest is a more consistently engaging listen, so full of twists and turns. they manage to be genuinely progressive and technical without sacrificing the intense and sharp riffing that good death or thrash metal should have. and i think this is very much in the spirit of technical thrash bands such as coroner and the like with a large helping of progressive death metal not dissimilar from other modern bands like atvm. i hear a lot of atheist and death in this except more violent than either which is great as although i love death i sometimes tire of chuck's indulgences. so yeah, i'm very impressed with this and would consider it the best album i've heard this year. i still think they haven't quite crafted an indisputable masterpiece but with how ambitious and competent they are at realizing those ambitions, i think it's possible they could do so. |
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| Author: | joppek [ Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Horrendous - Ontological Mysterium (August 18, 2023) |
Runko wrote: joppek wrote: by far the worst offender of the stuff i was talking about is the second track at about 4:00-5:30 If anything that part sounds like Opeth if you say so - that's well in line with the i don't like it it's really annoying, 'cause i like most of the album very much, as well as all their previous stuff of course, but there are these bits and pieces that grate me |
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