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Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
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Author:  metalcrypt [ Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
draconiondevil wrote:
When I saw these guys last year they started a "Fuck Trudeau" chant between songs. Total losers on top of writing worthless music.


I saw them open for Deicide in Quebec City last year and that didn't happen there, but he did bitch about Trudeau before one song and it was related to the pandemic measures. Never mind that most measures were of provincial jurisdiction. But I digress.

Not impressed by the album nor the previous one, but I like the title track on Goliath. I can think of maybe a couple of old albums that were good. Not crazy about the live shows either. I first saw them more than 20 years ago, then last year and unfortunately this year they're headlining the second night of Trois-Rivières Metal Fest (somehow that got a lot of people excited... time to nuke this planet...) I guess I'll be leaving early that night! I didn't see anything at the show last year that made me want to see them again.
Author:  Thy Shrine [ Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
CoffeeCat wrote:
Not to turn things too political, but after the initial love affair with Trudeau, sentiment cooled when it became clear he was just another establishment Liberal politician. Occasional scandals around funding and influence have only reinforced that over the last few years. I think a lot of hate towards him is also a result of his slightly preachy speaking style, which has a way of really triggering conservatives.

However, "Fuck Trudeau" has become a popular slogan that is associated heavily with the alt-right and its various brands (trucker convoys, anti-vaxxers, fascists, anti-LGBTQ, etc.). It's basically a dog whistle at this point, while still appealing to people who are just frustrated with Trudeau overall.

So, it's not necessarily a confirmation Kataklysm has bad views, but considering it's a bunch of French Canadian guys who seem to have a giant hard-on for the majesty of ancient Rome, it's not a great look.


I think the fact they find out later that somebody is an establishment liberal politician is kinda the problem and why at least in America conservatives get on top, I'm a liberal guy myself ,I just have toned down emotional responses to things in general, and I wish the other liberals wouldn't always get so swayed by pretty words and useless shit like that, really kinda makes us look really stupid considering the conservative faction are by far the actual super emotional pussy people, it just makes people flock to their side cuz they're way better at targeting young men with no hope, liberals really gotta start playing that game better or just accept defeat.

Anyway, not surprised this music sucks, I could tell by the logo hilariously enough that it wouldn't be good idk why just struck me as no chance this is even passable when I saw that shit
Author:  metalcrypt [ Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
Thy Shrine wrote:
Anyway, not surprised this music sucks, I could tell by the logo hilariously enough that it wouldn't be good idk why just struck me as no chance this is even passable when I saw that shit


Not sure what the logo has to do with that. lol. Anyway, they have a couple of good albums, but it was a long time ago and this is a band that should have been put to rest a long time ago. I think most people wouldn't notice if they just disappeared.
Author:  Red_Death [ Tue Aug 15, 2023 8:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
MeavyHetal wrote:
The Houde stuff is cool, but after that it's just one nothingburger after the next.

It will be a death metal album, that's for sure.

Disagree on both counts.

Having listened to their whole last album (basically all of their post-Serenity in Fire albums too), it definitely will not be a death metal album, unless the defining criterion here is a boatload of chugging and a couple of tremolo riffs (and harsh vocals, I suppose). I've listened to one of the promo songs, or to be more precise, I listened to about a minute of it. Still the same groove- and chug-laden nonsense, but with time they seem to have really come close to djent-adjacent territory (or so it seems to me, based on that syncopated rhythms they came to use more and more often).

But they did release cool stuff after Houde left, at least if you ask me. Both Epic and Shadows & Dust are very good albums at the very least, and Prophecy is quite good too. Where my interest started to wane was when Serenity in Fire was released; I'd say that one was basically alright, taken as a whole, since the songs are either quite poor or very good. In hindsight, that one seems like a watershed for the band as they continued with the melodeath elements (even becoming slightly more prominent, maybe), while organizing whole songs around rote chugging. That latter aspect was the first time the band did that, and it was all downhill form there on.
Author:  Metal_On_The_Ascendant [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 12:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
It's a forgettable album. Like the last one. And the one before it. Kataklysm are just making records to keep touring, I guess.

The stupid lyrics are against the "elites" except there's no real bite but regurgitated conspiratorial and faux rebellious bullshit. Wouldn't be an issue if Maurizio's vocals weren't so prominent in the mix. The non-riffs carry on for so long and it all begins to sound like mush after a while. Shit like "Heroes To Villains" is neither death metal nor thrash but it sounds modern Kreator-ish in the worst way. This could make your gym playlist if you're that kind of dude, I guess...otherwise it is literally one of the most pointless nothing albums of the year.
Author:  mirons [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
Red_Death wrote:
But they did release cool stuff after Houde left, at least if you ask me. Both Epic and Shadows & Dust are very good albums at the very least, and Prophecy is quite good too. Where my interest started to wane was when Serenity in Fire was released; I'd say that one was basically alright, taken as a whole, since the songs are either quite poor or very good. In hindsight, that one seems like a watershed for the band as they continued with the melodeath elements (even becoming slightly more prominent, maybe), while organizing whole songs around rote chugging. That latter aspect was the first time the band did that, and it was all downhill form there on.


Completely agree with this paragraph. I have no interest in checking out the new album, everything that I've read about it along with the one single I've heard just suggest to me that it's more of the same as everything they've done after SiF. However, I still find them to be quite enjoyable live.
Author:  linkavitch [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 10:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
Gave it a listen and it sure is an album alright. It's a solid 2/5 from the most 2/5 band out there.
Author:  CoffeeCat [ Wed Aug 16, 2023 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
I'm a bit more positive on this album. To me it feels like a return to the mid-00s period where they were putting out some pretty consistently good stuff. Unlike some of the past couple releases, this one has a lot more speed and the "hyperblast" energy is back in some tracks. The production is really chunky and the riffs and hooks are catchy even if a bit samey from song to song. If I have a complaint, it's that I wish there was a little more melody and some leads or solos, but Kataklysm hasn't done a ton of that for a long while now.

The band's apparent political leanings don't make me feel great about listening to them, and I probably won't come back any time soon, but I didn't dislike my time with the album or get bored. This is still solid death metal played by a mature band that knows how to write consistent material. Whether or not this is what you want is a different question of course.
Author:  alkostach [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
This albums is as generic and boring as it gets. Another immense disappointment to add to Kataklysm discography. "Victims of This Fallen World" is one of my fav late 90' death metal albums - such a great mixture of catchy riffage, brutality, cheese and groove... can't believe you can go so low. Lyrically they've always been cheesy but now they are simply dumb.
Author:  Kalaratri [ Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Kataklysm - Goliath (August 11th)
I mean it's modern Kataklysm, you pretty much know what you're getting with these guys at this point. Their output has declined in quality since the last decade and a half, forget the Houde years.
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