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sam78
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 9:43 am 
 

What other bands, in the lines of the first Voivod album. Bands that the fans of the first Voivod album Will for sure enjoy!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:30 pm 
 

Celtic Frost,Destruction and Sodom first ep’s are your safe bet.
Also try some GBH and King Crimson.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 8:13 pm 
 

sevenwinter wrote:
King Crimson

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Slater922
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 10:35 pm 
 

Cyrdarxes wrote:
sevenwinter wrote:
King Crimson

?

Perhaps he meant King Diamond?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:10 pm 
 

Slater922 wrote:
Cyrdarxes wrote:
sevenwinter wrote:
King Crimson

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Perhaps he meant King Diamond?


It doesn't make it any more true to be fair.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:24 am 
 

Japan has a few, notably Doom, especially their first album No More Pain. While heavier on the punk angle, G.I.S.M. comes to mind (pun unintended).

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:28 pm 
 

I and some others could probably throw out some raw thrash and black/thrash or whatever bandnames, but really, there isn't a lot. Even on their first album Voivod was pretty unique. While other bands might capture the rawness and aggression in a similar vein, none of them really had that sound. Doom and GISM, sure. Metallica's Kill 'em all/i] even. You could probably try some of the Japanese Abigail. Bulldozer's first two albums might fit the bill as well. But you'll never hear anything else that totally scratches that [i]War and Pain itch.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:31 pm 
 

Even in the earliest of days, Piggy's playin was way too unique to be replicated. I reckon the best point of references for War and Pain are power trios though, so search 'em out.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:31 pm 
 

Yeah, I know a LOT of old-school bands from both that era and more recent, and to be honest...I've never heard anything that comes across as close to those first two Voivod albums. There was some hardcore band from South Carolina called Assfactor 4 that came out in the mid-1990s, which at the time I thought sounded similar to early Voivod, though obviously with a more hardcore/punk leanings. But even they wouldn't really be confused with Voivod. Fellow Saguenay residents Voor had a couple tapes out from around that time period that were somewhat similar as well in approach, but with a more straightforward Slayer influence. Again, not really that close. Basically, I can't think of any bands that musically sound that similar to the first Voivod album, except maybe the second Voivod album.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm 
 

War & Pain is my favorite Voivod album, roar, nasty and beautiful all at once. What a debut. Love it.

One band that instantly springs to mind is Aura Noir. You can tell they were listening to War & Pain when they were writing their killer album Hades Rise.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:48 pm 
 

You can look at some of Voivod’s influences, for instance Die Kreuzen. Did Kreuzen were a big influence of Voivod, Soundgarden, Skin Yard.

And of course a big influence on that discordant riffing style also came out of bands like Public Image Ltd and Killing Joke.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 10:21 am 
 

chuggingpus wrote:
You can look at some of Voivod’s influences, for instance Die Kreuzen. Did Kreuzen were a big influence of Voivod, Soundgarden, Skin Yard.

And of course a big influence on that discordant riffing style also came out of bands like Public Image Ltd and Killing Joke.

Killing Joke, yes, even though there's not much close to the "piggy Riffing" there.
Soundgarden and Skin yard? Those bands are cool but I don't really hear it, and if anything, the influence would have worked the other way round, with Soundgarden not releasing their first stuff till 87 and Skin yard only forming in 85.

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Of course Angel Rat might be somewhat influenced by bands like Soundgarden, former tour-mates of Voivod. it definitely has more of a "college rocK" kind of feel to it. Great album but I don't think the oP wants stuff that sounds like that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:43 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
Yeah, I know a LOT of old-school bands from both that era and more recent, and to be honest...I've never heard anything that comes across as close to those first two Voivod albums. There was some hardcore band from South Carolina called Assfactor 4 that came out in the mid-1990s, which at the time I thought sounded similar to early Voivod, though obviously with a more hardcore/punk leanings. But even they wouldn't really be confused with Voivod. Fellow Saguenay residents Voor had a couple tapes out from around that time period that were somewhat similar as well in approach, but with a more straightforward Slayer influence. Again, not really that close. Basically, I can't think of any bands that musically sound that similar to the first Voivod album, except maybe the second Voivod album.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:47 pm 
 

All punk bands

The Clash,Exploited,Killing Joke,Discharge …
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:36 pm 
 

I was listening to Anarcrust ("Coalescence") earlier today, plenty of similarities to early Voivod there... albeit faster and more technical

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:29 pm 
 

robotiq wrote:
I was listening to Anarcrust ("Coalescence") earlier today, plenty of similarities to early Voivod there... albeit faster and more technical
never thought of it in that light. It's a really good record. Not to get too nerdy, but the orange vinyl makes the entire package work perfectly. Probably just got lucky at the pressing plant, but it still gives off that someone really thought about every aspect of this release.

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robotniq
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:15 am 
 

ZenoMarx wrote:
never thought of it in that light. It's a really good record.


What is the 'provenance' of that record?
It sounds like one of those bands where every member wants to be in a different band, so they pull the sound in a different direction, resulting in a really interesting combination.
Riff-wise, it sounds like a technical thrash record, but then it has a punk production and aesthetic. Musically it sounds like different things every time I listen, such as Cryptic Slaughter, Infest, Voivod, etc.
The only parallel I can think of (from the same year) is the first Deadhorse album, which is a similar kind of hyperactive punk/metal genre-smashing (but Anarcust obviously have the anarchopunk angle too and I don't know much about late 80s lowlander hardcore).

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GabriHell
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:02 am 
 

MetlaNZ wrote:
War & Pain is my favorite Voivod album, roar, nasty and beautiful all at once. What a debut. Love it.

One band that instantly springs to mind is Aura Noir. You can tell they were listening to War & Pain when they were writing their killer album Hades Rise.


Yeah, there's definitely a lot of War and Pain in Hades Rise. Also, their last album, Aura Noire, has some very Voivod moments, but more on the killing technology style, I think. Said influence shows not only in the riffs, but vocals too, as Aggressor go totally Snake in some moments. I love AN.

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balbulus
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:43 am 
 

Atavistic's "Vanishing Point" LP bears some fleeting similarities to War And Pain. A bit more chaotic and less metal maybe, but I think it could be of interest. Some tracks more than others. Have a skim through this:

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1F285B2B66FD7E9F
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 10:57 am 
 

robotiq wrote:
ZenoMarx wrote:
never thought of it in that light. It's a really good record.


What is the 'provenance' of that record?
It sounds like one of those bands where every member wants to be in a different band, so they pull the sound in a different direction, resulting in a really interesting combination.
Riff-wise, it sounds like a technical thrash record, but then it has a punk production and aesthetic. Musically it sounds like different things every time I listen, such as Cryptic Slaughter, Infest, Voivod, etc.
The only parallel I can think of (from the same year) is the first Deadhorse album, which is a similar kind of hyperactive punk/metal genre-smashing (but Anarcust obviously have the anarchopunk angle too and I don't know much about late 80s lowlander hardcore).
I wouldn't be able to even guess. That was a weird time, and I have no firsthand knowledge of the atmosphere in Europe, squats, etc. It was an explosion in sound in punk, just as it had been in metal in the 80s. That's a bit convoluted and dull, but I don't know how else to word it. Just on Skuld Records, you have Contropotere, Acid Rain Dance, Anarcrust, and Bad Influence in 1991-1992. All very different and unique, but at the same time, it feels like a catalogue that makes perfect sense. The squats in their respective countries forging a foundation and center for, again, an explosion in creativity. I'm sure this is part of the equation: they weren't just about music, but also the visual arts, creating community-a new way...a more conceptual, "full" approach to doing things; ideas far beyond their talents and crudely achieved. And then in 1993, you have bands like ABC Diabolo and Rorschach throwing a pipe in that already multi-faceted wheel. Dutch punk has always been unique in itself too. The funny, and I find sad, thing about this progressive, crude, angular time is that it is mostly forgotten and not highly regarded. These are all $10 or less records on Discogs, and I doubt any of this will ever get the retro treatment.

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robotniq
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:14 pm 
 

Cool, thanks for that.
I know ABC Diabolo and Rorschach (the latter are one of my all time faves). I am listening to Acid Rain Dance now, I had not heard of them before. This is great stuff. Definite similarities to Anarcrust (and to refer to the original thread, to early Voivod too). I notice that they were from Bremen, which soon became an epicentre of course. Also it is funny to note that their first EP was produced at Studio Sunlight(?!).
This discussion has reminded me of a more recent Dutch band (Staathaat) who presumably had roots in this older Dutch scene.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 2:48 am 
 

Somehow a bit of a stretch, but listening to the second Warfare album (Metal Anarchy) and mix it with Carnivore's debut, I get some nice chaotic War and Pain vibes.
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