Revisionism! Revisionism! You have lost and ended the thread

Tell me, are you butt-hurt because I shat on your beloved favourite band, you pathetic frog leg eater, you? If so, I do not apologise.

^ That you Lord_of_Diamonds?

Seriously, go fuck yourself you bigoted turd.

Tell me you're a 12 year old Fortnite player, without saying you're a 12 year old Fortnite player.

kovner has been banned. I'm recommending everyone to chill out. Notify the mods when there's users doing that sort of shit, please.

Wow, this devolved really quickly...

Anyways, this discussion about Portal is interesting. I never really thought of them as true death metal in any real sense. It's also been a while since I've actually listened to them, so perhaps I should go back and see if my perspective has changed since

For me, Portal is utterly visionairy and fantastic. What makes them so unique? Using 8 string guitars, extensive use of toms and not too much blastbeats, very swirly slidey kinda atonal riffage, The Curator's unique vocals, using some ambiance as well, well crafted uncanny lyrics etc.

Portal create really cool atmospheres but they have no clue about songwriting.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/@metalmusictheory5401[/youtube]

I emplore you to watch these. I understand if you are not interested in music theory, but i think some of you might find this intersting and helpful, although it's not really about death metal

Well, that's kind of where I'm at too. Some of these experimental, avant-garde and dissonant death metal bands focus less on riffing and can go on for extended periods of time without actually playing a traditionnal death metal riff.

It is possible to trace back this style of metal's origin in death metal. Listening to albums like Onset of Putrefaction and Obscura, it becomes more obvious how these were linked to death metal. I would even argue that post-Obscura Gorguts also kind of links both OSDM and dissodeath by being a little bit of both. However, when listening to the most dissonant, least traditionnal modern death metal acts, it becomes difficult to really point out what's supposed to be death metal in their music.

I'm always sorry that someone gets banned (despite the “dickhead”given me) but saying a group x sucks without providing a minimum of discussion or elements and just insulting the people is depressing.

This could be partly due to the fact that MA was established at a certain time and setting where the past made sense (neat divisions into thrash, death, black). So what was to come had to be "stuffed" into that context, even if it didn't seem to fit it.

Have there been any new metal genres since MA began? How would we know? Would new genres (that are as significant as doom, black, death etc) be recognized, or be recognized as being metal, if they were? Or do we view every new band in terms of what the sounds they make meant to us in 2002?

I think about that BillyR dude who seems stuck in 1985 with his genre indicators. Maybe the rest of us are not as different as we think, just stuck at a later time.

I think there have been new metal subgenres (or at least, genres that were stablished before the creation of MA) and the consensus in this website has always that they weren't metal. Nu metal, deathcore, djent adjacent stuff, some groove metal, some post metal, some industrial, some metalcore, etc. There is no other genre you could say all those bands belong that isn't metal and they definitely aren't some new alien genre that somehow was created in limbo and not related to metal at all.

I don't even like most of those genres, just to be clear. At least some of the most clearly melodeath/"metalcore" bands like Killswitch Engage are included now.

This is a generational issue. Back in the 2000s when I started delving into metal forums, there was an even bigger aversion to any heavy bands that didn't adhere to the genre consensus of already stablished subgenres. I clearly remember different forums that separated into heavy metal and alternative metal. Even bands like Godflesh and Neurosis weren't allowed in the heavy metal forum and the consensus was that those bands were alternative metal and clearly didn't belong in a "true" metal forum. I remember my stay in those forums as a constant struggle of knowing which bands were allowed and which bands weren't so you would not be harassed.

Things have changed (mostly for the best) but there are still a lot of discrepancies and contradictions in place for what is and isn't metal, not just here.

Not particularly interested in explaining what makes dm musically that's kind of obvious

It's this fascination with sickness and decay I find, just knowing that death is the only real thing that actually exists, I love the genre because it doesn't lie to me about what I am, it just lets me revel in the sickness that is life

And I also love the almost mocking quality it has towards normalcy, it's aggressively strange music and I'm an aggressively strange guy so it's a match made in heaven

And it has a strange level of depth and sophistication almost as if death is just a metaphor for how truly strange everything really is when you think about it

I wish more people on here would say what it means for them then bicker about the musical characteristics, as if those aren't glaringly obvious the second you start listening

It's an interesting topic that I would also like to discuss. Maybe start a thread?