I didn't compare it to Sabbath. Reread my comment.

Cmon dude weren't you just claiming Swansong blowed away ATG? And we're nuts?

I'm sorry to say that Swansong has actual bite to it, I know it's a scary thing, but last I checked we were on a metal forum

Gentleman, gentlemen. Slaughter of the Soul and Swansong BOTH bite. Not in the good way.

I heard a report that John Wayne bobbit of all people is actually a huge fan of slaughter of the soul, he thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread

..."Slaughter of the Soul"...The Reign In Blood of the 90's was how it was being described at the time...

I also recall Emperor's "Anthems To the Welkin" being described as the "RIB of the 90s".

No you said that calling it faceless is like saying the first sabbath has no personality which basically implies they are on the same sort of level which I can assure you is not the case

Unless you have an ultra specific form of tourettes that mentions black sabbath at inopportune times, I'm not sure how you can say you weren't comparing them.

If you enjoy Heartwork, you'll appreciate Swansong as well. It's an exceptional album that's worth listening to.

And Wolverine Blues!

Love Heartwork, can't stand Swansong. Swansong is a stain on Carcass' otherwise flawless discography.

I respectfully disagree. I like Mike Amott's work, and I think it's a remarkable death 'n' roll album. It may be the softest of Carcass's discography, but it's also the catchiest and most rock 'n' roll.

People, myself included, seem to react negatively to the suggestion that we only like some classic albums out of nostalgia, and not so much because we genuinely believe the albums to have inherent qualities. Most of us don't mind others not having the same tastes as us, but it's a little more annoying when someone flat out tells you that the album obviously sucks and that you only like it because of nostalgia or some other bullshit like that.

One of these invites dicussion, the other one is an insult to others intelligence.

Most people online weren't even alive when, say, Master of Puppets or Number of the Beast came out, so realistically, very few people who like these albums like them out of pure nostalgia. Maybe it would have made more sense if OP just used the word "status" rather than nostalgia.

Obviously though that's just as incendiary. You don't have to have any particular reverence for the past to think an old album is great.

But anyway, I just interpreted the thread prompt as "old albums you think are mediocre." Taking it literally just mind-reading, which I can't do.

While I can see SotS being overrated I don't get the pure vitriol it seems to get.

The Red in the Sky... actually takes you places and explores different moods. It's one of those great "somewhere on the intersection between naive and sublime" metal albums that acne covered 20 year olds were so good at making in the 90s.

Seeing threads like this one with titles like "Clichés and gimmicks in metal you are tired of", "Unpopular opinions about metal" and "Am i metalhead if i like metal from heaviness" makes me think you lot need to stop obsessing over your music taste insecurities.

Next up: threads called "Why do I even like metal?" or "Aren't you ashamed of liking metal you worthless nerd fuck shit piss bollocks wank bastard prick you make me sick you sweaty nerd"

Well that's what people say, but people say a lot of things. It's got such a muted emotional palette, every song feels almost exactly the same (just a little faster or slower). Hence the RiB comparisons, I guess, but Slayer's relative lack of melody makes RiB feel less uniform and monotonous to me, since that meant not every song was chained to the same melodic vocabulary.
The Red in the Sky... actually takes you places and explores different moods. It's one of those great "somewhere on the intersection between naive and sublime" metal albums that acne covered 20 year olds were so good at making in the 90s.

Seeing threads like this one with titles like "Clichés and gimmicks in metal you are tired of", "Unpopular opinions about metal" and "Am i metalhead if i like metal from heaviness" makes me think you lot need to stop obsessing over your music taste insecurities.

Next up: threads called "Why do I even like metal?" or "Aren't you ashamed of liking metal you worthless nerd fuck shit piss bollocks wank bastard prick you make me sick you sweaty nerd"

Seeing threads like this one with titles like "Clichés and gimmicks in metal you are tired of", "Unpopular opinions about metal" and "Am i metalhead if i like metal from heaviness" makes me think you lot need to stop obsessing over your music taste insecurities.

Next up: threads called "Why do I even like metal?" or "Aren't you ashamed of liking metal you worthless nerd fuck shit piss bollocks wank bastard prick you make me sick you sweaty nerd"

Lol see the vitriol I totally unleashed on slaughter of the soul bro I'm sure at the gates are homeless now because of what I had to say about it

I mean I didn't even read through anything in this thread, just making fun of the tone of some of these thread titles in recent times on M-A.

Thy Shrine, I understand where you’re coming from regarding SOTS. But ONLY if you’re viewing it as an Extreme Metal album that must be as inaccessible as something like Severed Survival or Altars of Madness or any other “pure” Death Metal album. But otherwise, it just a VERY small step below those kinds of records in terms of its extremeness. I mean the tempo is FAST for nearly the whole thing, it’s mostly pure Thrash riffs they’re using, maybe like 20 percent Traditional/Power Metal riffs, and another 20 percent Death Metal riffs. And the vocals are biting and harsh af for the whole thing. Maybe the production is a bit polished but I do t care about nearly any record’s production, just the music.

Anyways, it’s NOT an album that any Hot Topic kids would listen to more than once, I just don’t see that type of music in it at all.

De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is a very overrated album, it is important because of its history and that they were the pioneers of the Norwegian black metal circle, but the songs and the music are not for me, I feel like all the band controversy surrounding the creation of the album is more important than the music of the album itself, which is pretty mid, even for black metal standards.

Now that I think about it, most Mayhem music is pretty mid.

You already described you have a bias against black metal so I can't exactly take this with anything with besides a grain of salt, that album is definitely not mid for black metal its a lot more sophisticated and serious in the feelings it communicates than a lot of the other stuff even from that time, I'd say listen again because there's a lot more feeling to it than how you're putting it, it's very unique, try to ignore how you're supposed to excessively praise it, put that aside and hear the actual pure blackness of it, it's a lot darker than you might think

Thy Shrine, I understand where you’re coming from regarding SOTS. But ONLY if you’re viewing it as an Extreme Metal album that must be as inaccessible as something like Severed Survival or Altars of Madness or any other “pure” Death Metal album. But otherwise, it just a VERY small step below those kinds of records in terms of its extremeness. I mean the tempo is FAST for nearly the whole thing, it’s mostly pure Thrash riffs they’re using, maybe like 20 percent Traditional/Power Metal riffs, and another 20 percent Death Metal riffs. And the vocals are biting and harsh af for the whole thing. Maybe the production is a bit polished but I do t care about nearly any record’s production, just the music.

Anyways, it’s NOT an album that any Hot Topic kids would listen to more than once, I just don’t see that type of music in it at all.

Maybe is not for me, the only black metal band that I truly enjoyed was Dissection, but I rather listen to death metal to be honest, I am not really a black metal fan.

Maybe is not for me, the only black metal band that I truly enjoyed was Dissection, but I rather listen to death metal to be honest, I am not really a black metal fan.