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fpb
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 8:55 am 
 

Hi! I don't want to make argument, or say that "disturbed belongs to metal archives" cause it's moderator decision. I just wanted to Ask, what do you think about disturbed's album "indestructible"(2008). Do YOU consider them as trad. metal or hard rock? My opinion? More like blend of heavy metal with hard rock, but i didn't Heard whole album to be sure. I don't think it's nu metal more like hard rock with strong heavy metal influence and some alternative metal influence. It's just interesting what do you think about it. I like that album as i don't really listen to nu metal(i listen to extreme metal(Black, death, thrash) and grindcore now mainly lol). Sorry for english i'm from Poland and still 16 Years old.

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democracyiscringe
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:23 pm 
 

It's just a broadly alt-metal sort of sound. Which is a polite way of saying corporate hard rock for the generation that grew up on nu-metal. They keep using that Eddie/Murray-ish cartoon mascot though so they clearly like metal and want to be associated with it.

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I Am the Law
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:32 pm 
 

Yeah I am listening to some of these songs right now and it sounds pretty much like what you'd expect from Disturbed. Basically nu metal with some hard rock moments. No metal at all that I can hear.

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yungstirjoey666
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 2:54 pm 
 

I generally call it “alternative heavy metal.” Hard to say if it’s “real metal” by strict standards, but I find it a pretty enjoyable album from the overall genre; The Night is a great track.

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fpb
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 3:58 pm 
 

yungstirjoey666 wrote:
I generally call it “alternative heavy metal.” Hard to say if it’s “real metal” by strict standards, but I find it a pretty enjoyable album from the overall genre; The Night is a great track.


For me it's hard rock, but with really strong heavy metal influence but not close enough to metal to be on MA. Also, for me only nu metal era from disturbed is like to believe, next albums after TFF are more like alternative metal. On indestructible you have guitar solos for example, something you can't really find in nu metal. But yeah it's still more hard rock, but i notice some strong traditional metal influence.

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Fearoth
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:02 pm 
 

Believe is their best in my opinion, and most melodic. Definitely a guilty pleasure of mine still with some nostalgia factor attached to it.

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Thy Shrine
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 10:30 pm 
 

This thread has taught me I've been wrong this whole time, for some reason I was under the impression they played dogshit metal, I'm glad you guys could clear this up for me, silly me
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:21 am 
 

fpb wrote:
yungstirjoey666 wrote:
I generally call it “alternative heavy metal.” Hard to say if it’s “real metal” by strict standards, but I find it a pretty enjoyable album from the overall genre; The Night is a great track.


For me it's hard rock, but with really strong heavy metal influence but not close enough to metal to be on MA. Also, for me only nu metal era from disturbed is like to believe, next albums after TFF are more like alternative metal. On indestructible you have guitar solos for example, something you can't really find in nu metal. But yeah it's still more hard rock, but i notice some strong traditional metal influence.

They only started to use guitar solos after Dimebag Darrell died. Make of that what you will.

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tahu157
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 2:17 pm 
 

I only like 3 Disturbed songs and 2 of them are on Indestructible. The title track, and Inside the Fire. I wouldn't say either is quite metal. However, I think Inside the Fire is probably only a few iterations removed from being metal. If they had followed that train of thought a bit further, I think it it could have been a bone fide metal song.

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Oxenkiller
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:00 pm 
 

To the millennial generation, i.e. those born either on or after year 2000, it's traditional heavy metal. To the generations before that like myself, and most of the older site admins/moderators on these forums, it's millennial hard rock with some metal influence, ie "Nu Metal" but not "traditional heavy metal."

To me, probably the best thing this band ever did was the Simon and Garfunkel cover. Which is also one of the least hard rock/metal songs of their catalog.

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Thy Shrine
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:49 pm 
 

Oh man if that Simon and Garfunkel cover is really the best they did than they really are just a terrible band overall lol god I hate that cover it's like the five finger death punch cover of bad company, I get douche chills
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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:55 pm 
 

Thy Shrine wrote:
Oh man if that Simon and Garfunkel cover is really the best they did than they really are just a terrible band overall lol god I hate that cover it's like the five finger death punch cover of bad company, I get douche chills


Yeah, I also really hate that cover. I'm a fan of the original. My first kind-of-sort-of rock concert was a Simon and Garfunkel reunion gig. I know all their albums from to back and can sing along with most of their songs. For me, Disturbed cover's areal bummer -- just so overblown and does away with the very thing that made the song wonderful in the first place: the gorgeous vocal harmonies. Using some bits of an orchestra or whatever doesn't make up for that.
A part of my soul might have died a little when my mother and her sister were both going on about this cover, my mum even saying it was "better than the original!".
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Abominatrix
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 4:56 pm 
 

Abominatrix wrote:
Thy Shrine wrote:
Oh man if that Simon and Garfunkel cover is really the best they did than they really are just a terrible band overall lol god I hate that cover it's like the five finger death punch cover of bad company, I get douche chills


Yeah, I also really hate that cover. I'm a fan of the original. My first kind-of-sort-of rock concert was a Simon and Garfunkel reunion gig. I know all their albums from to back and can sing along with most of their songs. For me, Disturbed cover's areal bummer -- just so overblown and does away with the very thing that made the song wonderful in the first place: the gorgeous vocal harmonies. Using some bits of an orchestra or whatever doesn't make up for that.
A part of my soul might have died a little when my mother and her sister were both going on about this cover, my mum even saying it was "better than the original!".


I do think traditional metal is a rather specific thing and, even if you were born after 2000, Disturbed is still not that.
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Thy Shrine
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:21 pm 
 

Abominatrix wrote:
Thy Shrine wrote:
Oh man if that Simon and Garfunkel cover is really the best they did than they really are just a terrible band overall lol god I hate that cover it's like the five finger death punch cover of bad company, I get douche chills


Yeah, I also really hate that cover. I'm a fan of the original. My first kind-of-sort-of rock concert was a Simon and Garfunkel reunion gig. I know all their albums from to back and can sing along with most of their songs. For me, Disturbed cover's areal bummer -- just so overblown and does away with the very thing that made the song wonderful in the first place: the gorgeous vocal harmonies. Using some bits of an orchestra or whatever doesn't make up for that.
A part of my soul might have died a little when my mother and her sister were both going on about this cover, my mum even saying it was "better than the original!".


Sadly not a lot of people seem to recognize the difference between pure sap and actual outright emotion, hurt by johnny cash is a great cover that actually has a metric shit ton of heart, it gives me shivers, but it's hard for the same fuckin cocksucker that was all down with the sickness to actually try to do it mostly cuz he makes angry music without the actual feeling of anger, why on earth would anyone think he isn't just gonna do the same thing as well with his "heartfelt" rendition, I strongly suspect they do that whole thing in their head of "we gotta show the world we're serious now" like bro you routinely make empty and dumb music as a career, spare me the whole we've grown up thing.

I still get irrationally angry that Pantera gets looped into the whole tough guy stereotype with 5fdp and disturbed shit, but that's another story for another day
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:35 am 
 

Their cover of Land of Confusion is better than their cover of The Sound of Silence
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:41 am 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
To the millennial generation, i.e. those born either on or after year 2000, it's traditional heavy metal. To the generations before that like myself, and most of the older site admins/moderators on these forums, it's millennial hard rock with some metal influence, ie "Nu Metal" but not "traditional heavy metal."

To me, probably the best thing this band ever did was the Simon and Garfunkel cover. Which is also one of the least hard rock/metal songs of their catalog.


Correct me if I’m wrong but the millennial generation was born between 1981 and 1996. I think you’re describing Gen Z. I consider myself a Xennial because I was born right at the cusp in 1981.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 2:55 am 
 

Fearoth wrote:
Believe is their best in my opinion, and most melodic. Definitely a guilty pleasure of mine still with some nostalgia factor attached to it.

Same here. It's funny because it almost sounds like they just played the same song over and over but with a few key words changed, but bugger if it isn't at least enjoyable. The only album of theirs I'm even bothered enough to listen to anymore.

SkullFracturingNightmare wrote:
Their cover of Land of Confusion is better than their cover of The Sound of Silence

Big time.

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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:46 pm 
 

Neither, Disturbed are a 2000's nü metal band, they play the same genre as System of a Down, Static X, Coal Chamber and bands of that caliber.

They sound nothing like traditional heavy metal or 70s hard rock.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:35 pm 
 

Disturbed hasn't been nu metal since at least the Believe era, and arguably not really nu metal since way back on their debut album. Since then they've occupied that nebulous gray zone a lot of nu metal bands wound up in after making the questionable decision to 'develop' a 'more mature' sound-- alt metal, or 'hard rock' (which is obviously not the same thing as 70s hard rock in the same way that XXXTentacion is not the same thing as Lovebug Starski despite being the same overall genre). I wouldn't call it 'metal' in the sense that most of us, as fans of metal, would use the term, but your average person will certainly hear it as metal.

And since we're on the subject and people are offering their opinions, I think Disturbed had some solid stuff early on. Believe is a genuinely pretty good album and The Sickness has its moments (Voices, Stupify, Violence Fetish, Numb, mainly).

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VaderCrush
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:49 pm 
 

the best disturbed song is the one with the like 20 second breakdown where the singer pretends his mom is beating the shit out of him

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SanPeron
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2023 6:11 pm 
 

A new hard rock band could be something like Airbourne or Greta Van Fleet, there are also a lot of traditional heavy metal bands making the same thing that Priest, Maiden or Motörhead did in the 80's but now like Cauldron or Enforcer.

Disturbed don't sound at all like those bands and those genres, they sound like a nü metal band of the 2000's, not in the rapcore way like Limp Bizkit or Linkin Park but in the more aggro way of System of a Down and Static X. You guys saying that David Draiman sounds like an 80's or 70's metal/hard rock singer is crazy.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:21 am 
 

I’d consider them to be right on the same line of alt-metal and hard rock as something like Godsmack. I’ll go to bat for Ten Thousand Fists bring a genuinely great album (seconding Land of Confusion > Sound of Silence), but they’re best suited to small doses overall.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:51 pm 
 

I think from the attitude, the instrumentation, and even from some of the riffs, the album Indestructible by Disturbed could be metal. However, Indestructible is an incredible vocal driven album, while Metal is at it's core always guitar driven music.

You can hear this very well in the track Deceiver. The song starts with a riff that could be from a groove metal band or even the intro from a Death/Thrash-song, but as soon as the vocals kick in, the guitar becomes an accompaniment to the vocals. Even in very vocal focused metal like Hammerfall, the guitars never become a background this much.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 7:32 pm 
 

Regardless of how one defines Disturbed it cannot be denied that their biggest problem is the singular hat they wear. I think a couple songs of theirs are okay, Stricken has a pretty sick solo, and the band is competent. But their singer has precisely one voice and it makes every single song sound exactly the same. I have left the room with Disturbed playing and returned 20 minutes later and had to ask if it were the same song.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:18 pm 
 

Disturbed is on a shortlist of non-metal bands that I won't exactly argue with if non-heads call them metal (including usual suspects like SOAD, Slipknot, and a handful of others). There's a few songs I really like by them, and they put on an amazing live show when I saw them (which, granted, was the summer of 2002).

That said, I'm agreeing with the consensus here in that the album Indestructible has a lot of metal elements, as does most of their work, but I wouldn't consider them full-on metal.
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