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Author:  Abominatrix [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:30 pm ]
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SanPeron wrote:
Argentum were from Mexico, they played a very curious style of black metal, one of the few black metal bands outside of Europe in the 90s.







Good call with Argentum. I was never 100% confident calling them a black metal band since there's so much death and doom in their sound but, well, the atmosphere certainly fits, so I'm more than ok with them being considered such, especially as so many bands that don't have a Scandinavian sound are basically straddling all kinds of genre borders anyway.

Hell, while we're on the subject, may as well add the Mexican Xibalba as well. Ah Dzam Poop Ek came out in 1994! Now, I'm quite sure these guys were paying attention to norway somehow, but the music very much has its own character. Actually, that is one hell of a black metal record.
Author:  Thy Shrine [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 5:06 pm ]
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Man I wish I could confidently say I can look past the word poop being in the tital but I'm a fuckin toddler and can't

I'm exploring old US shit mostly cuz that accursed album is actually pretty good it's a fine line between amateur and normal but I think the style is cool it's a bit loose surprisingly and I haven't seen anybody really mention it at all I can't tell if it's real obscure or not

I like that Sarcophagus album I've been meaning to check it out again but I liked it a lot more than I ever would've thought I'm talking guy from Judas Iscariot tho I've never heard them I plan on checking it out

Just heard the Demonic Christ album and at first I liked it but it was real standard but it actually went a little outside the box and didn't end up being exceptionally something Id expect some nice groove there and I actually really like her shrieks they're clear but kinda drawn out a little I dig it

More death metal but I'm listening to crucifixion desert of shattered hopes rn again probably third time ive heard it thus far but I actually really kinda dig it, it's just pretty action packed

Idk I kinda dig the old USBM from what I've heard thus far, it's nice and heavy and less on the atmosphere it's more grounded, I've heard the term cascadian stuff but that sounds pretty lame to me tbh, I might try it out the more aquatinted I get but I can tell me liking it would probably be more of an exception than a rule knowing my sensibility
Author:  Abominatrix [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:26 pm ]
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Thy Shrine wrote:
Man I wish I could confidently say I can look past the word poop being in the tital but I'm a fuckin toddler and can't

I don't even know what language that is supposed to be -- mayan? -- but there are plenty of homophones with English and non-English so it's really nothing. :lol:

Saw Demonic Christ live once and was pretty impressed, but can't say they're a band I've spent a lot of time with. I believe the band leader was also in Mythic in the early 90s.

That reminds me of another black metal band fronted by a woman that counts for this thread though -- the English Adroior and their like Cutting the Sleeping album. They have another one from the early 2000s (I think) that is far more blasty and brutal.
Author:  Lurked [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:01 pm ]
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Thy Shrine wrote:
Man I wish I could confidently say I can look past the word poop being in the tital but I'm a fuckin toddler and can't


I laughed just reading this line.

Ritual https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ritual/5491 has some songs I used to really enjoy. My interest in them just kinda went away over the years.

Then there's Tjolgtjar, a wacky project by pretty much any standard. Really hit and miss for me and might be way too goofy, but damn if I don't get a kick out of a lot of tracks. "Blitzkrieg (of Satan)" and "American Demon" for starters.
Author:  Empyreal [ Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:34 pm ]
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https://zemial.bandcamp.com/album/nykta

I can't stop hyping this one up. Some of the best stuff I've heard.

Been playing the Samael debut recently - there's something really good about this. Just that old, primal feeling, something gutsy and raw. They add in the right touches of instrumental oddness and atmosphere at the right times.

Going to check some of these Mexican acts out. Thanks.

Oh and this band - an endless source of wild untamed riches... https://decayed666.bandcamp.com/album/t ... ern-circle
Author:  Thy Shrine [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:21 am ]
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Abominatrix wrote:
Thy Shrine wrote:
Man I wish I could confidently say I can look past the word poop being in the tital but I'm a fuckin toddler and can't

I don't even know what language that is supposed to be -- mayan? -- but there are plenty of homophones with English and non-English so it's really nothing. :lol:

Saw Demonic Christ live once and was pretty impressed, but can't say they're a band I've spent a lot of time with. I believe the band leader was also in Mythic in the early 90s.

That reminds me of another black metal band fronted by a woman that counts for this thread though -- the English Adroior and their like Cutting the Sleeping album. They have another one from the early 2000s (I think) that is far more blasty and brutal.


Bro you keep just randomly bringing up shit I keep forgetting to say but I've kinda started thinking about black metal is the English stuff like deinonychus and old cradle of filth and Hecate enthroned is really interesting form of black metal I'm interested in exploring more too I think I just need more low end to the stuff a little more darkness than real kinda melodic all the way through, Darkthrone is a great balance and I really just love the unholy trinity there's just no delusions to them back then that we are balls to the wall fucking metal at heart, unfortunately the new stuff seems to strike me as we printed up a banner that says that phrase on it cuz we forget from time to time I know that's age but I should look into some of the new stuff more but it just seems more like we're having fun than we're making something vital its like vital just completely overtakes we're just having fun its like get rid of the clown hat and lets rock in a way that just has All the beauty and horror and majesty as the fact that we're even somehow alive to even do that

I think fans of some of the more creative genres don't put across the fact that this shit still rocks and has depth you can do both, it's like I wonder if the band looks at it like oh we're ruining the party by being all deep, like nah I'm the guy at the party who will literally just sit in silence until someone strikes me as actually interesting, and I think that those three albums at least tell me oh those guys are probably like that too y'know
Author:  mirons [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 5:46 am ]
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A few from Baltic shores that haven't been mentioned yet:

Tharaphita (Estonia) - Raev (pagan black metal that weirdly sounds almost closer to the Hellenic style than anything else)
Nahash (Lithuania) - Wellone Aeternitas (dark and doomy, and also quite on the raw side)
Poccolus (Lithuania) - Poccolus (Pagan black)
Ha Lela (Lithuania) - Pabudimas (folky black metal with gothic overtones)
Zpoan Vtenz (Lithuania) - Gimę nugalėt (probably the most folky and atmospheric of all the aforementioned)
Skyforger (Latvia) - Semigalls' Warchant, Kauja pie Saules (these first two releases are very much still riffy black metal with only the occasional folk interludes, before gradually moving away from the black metal sound on later releases)
Author:  Cat III [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:31 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote:
I've actuallynot heard Manzer, but I'm going toh ave to check them out.


The first album, Light of the Wreckers, is the one to check out, though they're all pretty similar.

Abominatrix wrote:
haha, I sort of see what you mean about Death SS and their "hey guido I'm gonna steal your lunch!" vocals, but I don't really mind them. The band does occasionally have problems with songwriting even on their first album. But I really like some of the tracks from when Paul Chain was in the band.


I love the look of the band and their hard rockin' but dark heavy metal is really cool, but Steve Silvester just puts a damper on everything. "Black Mummy" is the one that stands out. Awesome riff, but then you have this whine of "to be a black mommy!" I know he's the reason SS is in their name, and it seems wrong to want to change one of the most identifiable aspects of the band. I'm a huge fan of Mark Shelton and Tim Baker, but man I just can't get past Silvester's voice.
Author:  Cat III [ Tue Aug 22, 2023 10:42 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote:
That reminds me of another black metal band fronted by a woman that counts for this thread though -- the English Adroior and their like Cutting the Sleeping album. They have another one from the early 2000s (I think) that is far more blasty and brutal.

I only recently discovered Adorior and have been obsessed. Like Cutting the Sleeping is a weird BM record. Kinda spacey and mellow at parts. Doesn't really sound like anything else. Author of Incest, their second one from 2004, is indeed blasting and brutal. It's war metal, though more Angelcorpse than Revenge. Reminiscent of those bestial bands from South America, southeast Asia, but more defined, tighter. Jaded Lungs vocals add a lot. Ferocious but still human-sounding. I'm struggling to think of another band of that style with female vocals.

There might be a series of reviews of the Adorior discography in the works.
Author:  Abominatrix [ Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:45 pm ]
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Cat III wrote:
Abominatrix wrote:
That reminds me of another black metal band fronted by a woman that counts for this thread though -- the English Adroior and their like Cutting the Sleeping album. They have another one from the early 2000s (I think) that is far more blasty and brutal.

I only recently discovered Adorior and have been obsessed. Like Cutting the Sleeping is a weird BM record. Kinda spacey and mellow at parts. Doesn't really sound like anything else. Author of Incest, their second one from 2004, is indeed blasting and brutal. It's war metal, though more Angelcorpse than Revenge. Reminiscent of those bestial bands from South America, southeast Asia, but more defined, tighter. Jaded Lungs vocals add a lot. Ferocious but still human-sounding. I'm struggling to think of another band of that style with female vocals.

There might be a series of reviews of the Adorior discography in the works.


You should definitely do it. It's been a while since I thought about the band and I don't actually have any of their albums here. I remember being surprised at the style change with the second one, and just how brutal (or bestial) it was. It's like they suddenly got a whole lot angrier.

Regarding Death SS, it seems for a while they were actually operating with a different singer. You can find a few tracks on the Story of Death SS that don't seem to feature Steve on vocals. Of those, "Chains of Death" is probably my favourite. Great riff and chorus.

I want to add Lugubrum to the thread as well. Their first album came out in 94. Of course I do prefer their weirder manifestations that would come later, but Winterstones is still a pretty cool kind of laid back atmospheric black metal album. However, they got much, much weirder and more interesting from De Totem onwards.

A forgotten uS band that might be worth mentioning is Masochist. THey don't have a lot of stuff and are certainly not talked about much. There was a compilation of all their demos and 7s released in the late 2000s.
There's also Abhorer from Singapore. Not mentioned alongside stuff like Impiety, probably because they didn't put out too much stuff, but I remember finding Zygotical Sabbatory Anabapt (what a great title) pretty ferocious.
Author:  red_blood_inside [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 8:44 am ]
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From late 90s early 2000, but with a raw 90s feel, Hate Forest, from Ukraine.
Author:  Kalimata [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:14 am ]
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Abominatrix wrote:
Hell, while we're on the subject, may as well add the Mexican Xibalba as well. Ah Dzam Poop Ek came out in 1994!


A jam poop ache??
Author:  HighwayCorsair [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:51 pm ]
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Norway's scene was great but it's far from the only one, as everyone has discussed. My personal favorite '90s scene was the Greek one. Some random favorites off the top of my head that may or may not have been mentioned, from Greece and beyond-

Varathron / Rotting Christ / Necromantia / Zemial / Agatus (Greece - the unholy trinity, plus another couple favorites!)

Sacrilegium (Poland)

Vlad Tepes / Belketre / Mütiilation (France)

Mystifier (Brazil)

Moonblood / Mayhemic Truth / Martyrium (Germany)

Absu / GBK (USA)

Mortuary Drape / Necromass / Doomsayer (Italy)

Sigh / Sabbat / Abigail (Japan)

Dissection / Dawn / Vinterland / Arckanum (Sweden)

Samael (Switzerland)

Master's Hammer / Root / Amon / Tudor / Torr / Avenger (Czechia)

Beherit / Archgoat / Musta Surma / Barathrum (Finland)

Old Forest (England)

Primordial / Cruachan (Ireland)

Xibalba / Pactum / Argentum (Mexico)
Author:  severzhavnost [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:11 pm ]
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Cat III wrote:
Impiety, ultra-blasting Singaporean black metal. The lo-fi production of Skullfucking Armageddon really complements the brutality. Not a common pairing that...


This is all.
Though I would add, start with their debut Asateerul Awaleen. Brutal and lo-fi, yet still having unforgettable riffs. "Anal Madonna" slaps now and forever.
Author:  Cat III [ Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:42 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote:
Regarding Death SS, it seems for a while they were actually operating with a different singer. You can find a few tracks on the Story of Death SS that don't seem to feature Steve on vocals. Of those, "Chains of Death" is probably my favourite. Great riff and chorus.

I'll have to seek out The Story of Death SS. Despite my complaints with Silvester's vocals, I do spin their first couple every so often.

Abominatrix wrote:
I want to add Lugubrum to the thread as well. Their first album came out in 94. Of course I do prefer their weirder manifestations that would come later, but Winterstones is still a pretty cool kind of laid back atmospheric black metal album. However, they got much, much weirder and more interesting from De Totem onwards.

Ha. I beat you to it in my first comment. Winterstones bores me, but most else they've released is great. De Totem and De Vette Cuecken are my favorites. They're bizarre, but still have an icy, black metal darkness to them. Later albums like Albino de Congo and Face Lion, Face Oignon are good too, but are only vaguely black metal. Even the latest one which is a jazzy avant garde metal with farts has its charms.

Abominatrix wrote:
There's also Abhorer from Singapore. Not mentioned alongside stuff like Impiety, probably because they didn't put out too much stuff, but I remember finding Zygotical Sabbatory Anabapt (what a great title) pretty ferocious.

In a similar vein there's Surrender of Divinity from Thailand (they released a couple demos in the 90s so let's count 'em). Their first album had strangled cat vocals. The second was more typical bestial metal, but still good, and its title, Manifest Blasphemy: The Abortion of the Immaculate Conception, is undefeated. Their bass player Avaejee was murdered by a fan.
Author:  easyrocker [ Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:09 am ]
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ClicheUsername wrote:


Australia - Bestial Warlust, Sadistik Exekution, Samain



To add to Aus: Spear of Longinus (first demo + the Deathdealer stuff, after that it's super hit or miss IMO), Abominator demos, D666... Vomitor got a demo out in '99 so I'm counting them too!

GOATLORD from the USA deserves a mention too, their Sodomize the Goat demo and Reflections of the Solstice is really great, unique shit.
Author:  HalfdanTheBlack [ Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:34 pm ]
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Regarding Death SS, it seems for a while they were actually operating with a different singer. You can find a few tracks on the Story of Death SS that don't seem to feature Steve on vocals. Of those, "Chains of Death" is probably my favourite. Great riff and chorus.[/quote]

# the album "The story of..." includes songs from the "true" Death SS, the ones with both Steve Sylvester and Paul Chain (side A), and some tracks from the short period in which Steve left and Paul took Sanctis Gorham on vocals (who sings on the masterpiece 'Chains of death' from the 7" "Evil metal", the only official record of the first Death SS 77/84) on side B.
Sanctis, now defunct, was older than the other guys (he sang in the early 70's for a beat-prog band called I Vulcani and did a 7" with 'em).
This last line-up was basically the same of the Paul Chain Violet Theatre, founded by Paul after the disbanding of Death SS: if you liked 'Chains..' try "Detaching from Satan" Ep and "In the darkness" Lp, you should love 'em!
Author:  SanPeron [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:17 pm ]
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Author:  greywanderer7 [ Sat Aug 26, 2023 11:43 pm ]
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Besides Mortuary Drape and Necromass, I think Opera IX was one of the most important Italian black metal bands of the 90s. Their style is similar to those bands, and it is comparable to the more sophisticated Greek bands like Necromantia. They used to write these really long epics with lots of tempo changes, riffs and grandiose keyboards, with a pagan occult atmosphere.

Plus, they were probably the first black metal band fronted by a woman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ybsi7gubf8
Author:  Disembodied [ Sun Aug 27, 2023 12:38 am ]
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I see Finnish scene has been mentioned but andOceans are probably my standout band from that scene. They're not really comparable to any bm in or out of Finland so do check out their 90s albums.
Author:  Lagartija [ Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:19 am ]
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Weakling (USA) 'Dead as dreams' should be mentioned I suppose. Funny how I think I've only listened to it a couple of times and I remember not really seeing what all the hype was about, but that thing really stuck in my mind and keeps popping up.
Author:  Thy Shrine [ Sun Aug 27, 2023 11:24 am ]
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I listened to that weakling album but I didn't pay full attention and I can tell you In that state it kinda meanders a bit, maybe I'll give it a serious listen, but it's also kinda past acceptable for me in terms of length, I'll probably break it up unless it suddenly strikes me as brilliant
Author:  lennonlikesmetal [ Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:38 pm ]
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Cat III wrote:
Impiety, ultra-blasting Singaporean black metal. The lo-fi production of Skullfucking Armageddon really complements the brutality. Not a common pairing that.


I think Skullfucking Armageddon is overpolished.
Author:  lennonlikesmetal [ Sun Sep 03, 2023 7:40 pm ]
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Abominatrix wrote:
A forgotten uS band that might be worth mentioning is Masochist. THey don't have a lot of stuff and are certainly not talked about much. There was a compilation of all their demos and 7s released in the late 2000s.
There's also Abhorer from Singapore. Not mentioned alongside stuff like Impiety, probably because they didn't put out too much stuff, but I remember finding Zygotical Sabbatory Anabapt (what a great title) pretty ferocious.


Both great bands.
Author:  RegressionTherapy [ Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:33 pm ]
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Ctrl + F'd on Poser Patrol to make sure Arckanum and Sabbat got posted in the thread and was not disappointed. Arckanum's "Fran Marder" has some of my favorite twisted BM vocals of all time.

I'm going to throw a real wild card in here and also mention Proto-Dungeon Synth project Depressive Silence and their BM band Mightiest hailing from Germany.
Author:  LordStenhammar [ Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:14 am ]
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Disembodied wrote:
I see Finnish scene has been mentioned but andOceans are probably my standout band from that scene. They're not really comparable to any bm in or out of Finland so do check out their 90s albums.


A band worth checking out if you want something a little different. I was a total fanboy in my teens. The early sympho bm stuff, the later industrial bm, both go. Just can't get over how HAPPY their first album sounds. Don't know anything like it.
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