Are you asking for new bands like Blood Incantation, etc?

Not specifically as I already am aware of them but yeah I think they fit stylistically and don't be afraid of modern stuff too id probably be more receptive considering it's a genuine stereotype in my mind that any modern progressive metal will be the lamest softest shit I've ever heard so prove me wrong

Some good bands mentioned so far, defintely seconding Carbonized who were well ahead of the curve in terms of adding Voivod-esque oddness to their sound, both "Recarbonized" and "No Canonization" are great.

What strikes me from the range of bands mentioned is the range of different directions 'progressive death metal' can take, which is entirely in keeping with the 'progressive ethos'. I'd say that death metal is a progressive genre by nature, everything in the early days was experimenting. "Altars of Madness" is incredibly experimental.

There seem to be a few broad schools of progginess though, the Voivod school (Supuration, Demilich, Carbonized), the Rush/Watchtower/fusion school (Cynic, Atheist), the 'gothy' school (early MDB, Timeghoul, Dark Millennium, Medicine Death), and the Camel/Genesis/prog-rock school (stuff like Opeth). There are tons of different crossovers of course, and plenty of merging between these, and newer forms (like Lykathea) but that's how I break it down in my head.

Another good one I'd throw into the mix is Nomicon, both the demo ("The-Triangle") and the record after ("The Me") are well worth seeking - somewhere between the first Afflicted and Demilich albums.

We should mention the first Fear Factory album too, of course.

I don't know about death metal being perceived as less creative or progressive in general than the other two (I've never heard such a thing really despite the prominence of "meat 'n' potatoes" bands like Cannibal Corpse and Obituary), but one thing that I've noticed, especially after watching a few metal youtubers, is this perception that death metal only got more progressively inclined later on, say in the early 2000s (kind of an arbitrary figure, but if you want, start with Opeth). Definitely ignoring a lot of the wild experimentation that was going on in the very early 90s. Death (the band) is certainly acknowledged, but truthfully, there were just so many pushing the boat out around the same time.

Yeah I'm going strictly on non musical reasoning at the moment but idk man it just seems jazz gets a pass cuz in the eyes of corporate America only that form of music is legitimate as outsiders being creative, it's a delicate topic but I know it's because corporate America is really just rich white America and they know how to sell the pain of minorities to poor white people better than selling the pain of poor white people back to poor white people so that's really the only reason jazz or blues can be accepted as more legitimate of an art form than something like metal also metal is hilariously stereotyped as brash and mean and dangerous hilariously the same way they used to portray minorities lol but that's something most people probably don't even think far enough into to realize

I say this mostly cuz I feel two ways about it: number one the only reason certain music is seen as high status over others is mostly because of people just having one sort of definition of what being at a disadvantage in life means so whatever speaks to that image they think is obviously the true meaning and secondly, it ties back into metal fans who have that need for metal to be taken excessively serious in discussions of serious music, and how that's a useless pursuit, but also its contrary to the genre itself, all those psychedelic hippies were fuckin fakes bruh all that shit was a lie, that just reaffirms the status quo, the top can easily combat that and radicalize people on the fence against some stupid fucking burn out hippie, that's so fucking easy Jesus, but how about if we make a sound that is symbolically as heavy and dark as life really is and use that as a way to fight back against it, we'll be dark and evil and that way the people on top look really goofy trying to fight against it and thereby really expose themselves more, we dont need your "sophistication" we already know how little that really means, its that feeling that only metal has and so far its the only genre that ever really accomplished it besides probably rap.

No point in fighting the system, prove you don't need it and you'll really start to understand how much they need you, you'll have the power.

Metal always was sophisticated, too sophisticated to know that appearing excessively approachable is what the bad guys do, not the ones who see through it

I don't think it's a conscious decision to do any of that like I don't think bands set out with the goal, but that's what they're doing fundamentally and I think unfortunately it'll probably lose out to whatever bullshit is marketable as rebellious.

But I think the real fans know that's to be expected anyway

Well, I wasn't expecting this thread to go here. I don't tend to think about it in this fashion -- artists just play what they want to play, and I take that as a given unless I really think some weird compromise has happened. I don't know about the acceptance of jazz -- the general public seems quite averse to it more often than not, but none of that stuff really matters to me, I just know what I like, and if artists or bands connect with me, I'll go in pretty deep, but there isn't a "big picture" for me and I don't spend much time thinking about genres and their place in the world.

Well, I wasn't expecting this thread to go here. I don't tend to think about it in this fashion -- artists just play what they want to play, and I take that as a given unless I really think some weird compromise has happened. I don't know about the acceptance of jazz -- the general public seems quite averse to it more often than not, but none of that stuff really matters to me, I just know what I like, and if artists or bands connect with me, I'll go in pretty deep, but there isn't a "big picture" for me and I don't spend much time thinking about genres and their place in the world.

Oh no problem i just find the way I think about it kinda enhances the enjoyment for me it's just what the music I like the most means to me, idk I know you didn't even imply it but kinda when you mentioned jazz I thought about how that would tie into what I was saying a little it was actually kinda a perfect response cuz you're speaking just as a fan of music but I guess kinda the way I am I just see a lot of shit the pretentious metal fan way even tho I really just don't agree with it I understand their point of view a little better I guess

I just think music is way too trivialized these days I just like to take it a little seriously just cuz the whole mental aspect of just reading way too far into things is something I find enjoyable it always ends up making perfect sense too, just maybe uncomfortable to some

Oh no problem i just find the way I think about it kinda enhances the enjoyment for me it's just what the music I like the most means to me, idk I know you didn't even imply it but kinda when you mentioned jazz I thought about how that would tie into what I was saying a little it was actually kinda a perfect response cuz you're speaking just as a fan of music but I guess kinda the way I am I just see a lot of shit the pretentious metal fan way even tho I really just don't agree with it I understand their point of view a little better I guess

I just think music is way too trivialized these days I just like to take it a little seriously just cuz the whole mental aspect of just reading way too far into things is something I find enjoyable it always ends up making perfect sense too, just maybe uncomfortable to some

I certainly don't want to trivialise music and I think I'm also quite passionate about it. I could even say I'm quite passionate about metal, since I listen to it a lot, talk about it, and even still visit this forum. But I'm passionate about art in general and believe in the creators doing what they want to do, regardless of genres, styles, or anything else. I don't think that's pretentious and I don't think a band like Cynic not being afraid to demonstrate their skills while writing songs that just happen to (sometimes) fit into a metal framework is in any way pompous. They just make the music they want to make, and that's how it should be for everyone.